Story Anyone seen this? SS in the news😡

[Deleted member 8579]

You must be new to Mainstream media.

I have never really used mainstream media, so you are correct.

 

[rationaltake]

If they really had a strong case against this website, they would be able to make it in a neutral tone and let the facts speak for themselves.

You are so right. But news is never written this way. Every reporter has an axe to grind.

Also what I don't get is this:
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From the article: "Later, a site member in Leeds, England, would ask in his parting words for the forum to be shut down. "Please do your best in closing that website for anyone else," Joe Nihill, 23, implored in a suicide note."

So I don't know what to make of this. It honestly feels fake but then again who knows. I just wonder why would this person say that in their suicide note especially even though they still killed themselves with the information they found here? It makes no sense.

I agree.

 

[HiImPaul]

They mentioned SN (not by name though). Hope this doesn't cause increases regulation of the product.

Edit: they do mention it by name, they wait and call it a "preservative" until half way through the article.

 

[Amumu]

The New York Times seems to have become the shit hole of American journalism.

I can assure you I've had suicidal thoughts since I was five and it hasn't changed.

 

[Insomniac]

They mentioned SN (not by name though). Hope this doesn't cause increases regulation of the product.

the product has already become really hard to find compared to before. It used to be available everywhere online y'know. Now, not anymore.

 

[HiImPaul]

the product has already become really hard to find compared to before. It used to be available everywhere online y'know. Now, not anymore.

Yeah there's only a few sites that sell it (and some won't sell to individuals). But this could lead to those last few being changed if the story picks up a lot of coverage.

 

[AnonymousS]

''Look how saviour like we are because we called out on people who put an end to their suffering and we invaded the privacy of two guys to the point that anything could happen to them now!''

We are at the end of 2021 but most people still act like primitive apes over others who make their OWN decision to take their OWN life because they are suffering too much and don't want to be used as cheap labour anymore. Where is the ''muh body, muh choice?'' Y'all screamin' this saying unless it's about abortion or suicide.

What worries me the most is how they invaded the privacy of the two admins, who probably I assume took their privacy to the extreme considering what they got into, their locations still being found. It's scary, if even they were found that means there's no privacy at all on the internet.

The way they go against us, instilling fear and anxiety, being aggressive against us by invanding our privacy and not more, it shows to me how ''caring'' and ''good'' they are to those who suffer. If life was a sacred gift as they say, why do they have to do this and silence and destroy us like this? Something doesn't connect.

In that bubble of joy of theirs, they don't know about things such as ''homelessness'', ''unemployment'' , ''financial insecurity'' , ''death of loved ones'' , ''failed relationships'' , ''trauma from abuse'' , ''bullying'' , ''suffering'' etc. No, they see life as sunshine and rainbows and have to shove it down everyone's throat at all costs.

Also the minors who used this, I agree with a comment from above, where were the parents? You don't need more than a neuron to realize that the age verification can be surpassed easily about everywhere nowadays. Gotta love how most parents always blame outside factors for what happens to their kids, but never themselves.

My misanthropy levels are too high I need to stop.

Very well put.

 

[BeautifulMosaics]

Why would you post this with all the crap that's going on today?

If you'd read their post you would've seen that this is directly from the article. I don't see how Circles posting it here makes any difference. There are ways of phrasing things...

 

[StarryStarry]

If you'd read their post you would've seen that this is directly from the article. I don't see how Circles posting it here makes any difference. There are ways of phrasing things...

Honestly, I'm just so overwhelmed with everything that is going on with the site today and the fear that I may lose the only outlet I have I can't function. I apologize if I offended anyone.

 

[clown_17]

I feel bad for anyone in the future if this site got taken down. Im lucky to have seen the information needed to prevent a painful suicide. Others won't be as lucky. And I also really hope this doesn't lead to restricting access to SN, although it probably will.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Creating articles like this is just going to get some paranoid members (i.e. me) to want to speed up their plans and CTB sooner before the site goes down. Good going, journalists!

 

[Just A NPC]

(I just skimmed through for a few seconds)

So because a site provided the information that an obviously already depressed and vulnerable 17 year old sought out to kill themselves they want to end the site? Can they not see people will kill themselves anyway? If it's not this it will be another site. Censorship doesn't work. I am not pro-suicide. It's a shame it exists and I certainly don't want teenagers killing themselves but we don't live in Should-Land. Suicide is a reality and people want and deserve to kill themselves in as safe and painless a way as possible.

If you take away access to such information, people will attempt to kill themselves in dangerous and excruciating ways which may pose a danger to the general public and may also traumatize them. The suicidal may also harm themselves in terrifying ways and not even die - which is a worse position than where they started. This is a horrific risk that people shouldn't be forced to take - if the society can't help people, if it creates structures and situations where people feel the need to kill themselves and neglects to care for the desperate and vulnerable then safe and reliable ways to commit suicide should not be hidden.

The suicidal should not be silenced and forced into the underground because as we've come to learn there is no real group called "The Suicidal" - we are everyone. And discouraging discourse and sharing emotions just stunts society's growth into understanding how to help and understand people who are suicidal.

Just like in the 60s when they tried to encourage ignorance with teenagers and sex. We saw how that went. Like making abortions illegal, people will do it anyway and in dangerous ways if you force ignorance upon them. You can't hide the truth.

RIP to your son - I am so sorry for your loss but this is not the way.

This is exactly my response to reading that article. I am quoting it because it's clear people are reading everything posted here, and I may as well reiterate such an important point.

People killed themselves way before the fucking internet came out. If this site is shutdown people will still attempt suicide. It's just reality. Having access to a site like this has personally helped me cope in several ways. Firstly it has stopped me from trying to kill myself in a spur of the moment reaction to a bipolar (fucking diagnosed, too, so that's not me being metaphorical in the use of the word bipolar btw) moment.

Hell I don't even post much, but being able to come here and see others discussing things (not all suicide btw) helps as well when I feel alone in the moments of my bipolar ups and downs. Maybe one day I /will/ end up killing myself. Maybe one day I'll be ran over by a goddamn truck, too.

This place has allowed me to make an informed choice, even though I have suicidal feelings on and off, which has actually resulted in me still being alive.

Sorry you've lost people, but this site isn't the actual cause of people killing themselves. It was there before the internet was even founded.

 

[it's_all_a_game]

I think it's so weird how our society is so against suicide. I mean, we live in a cruel, stressful world full of misery. Hell, a lot of people are suicidal because of their life experiences and how others have treated them. Yet, when someone wants to leave this planet permanently it's considered so horrible? I don't get it.

I think it's enlightened to believe that people should be allowed to elect their own deaths with as little pain as possible. Why should someone have to jump in front of a train to end it?

And, most importantly, if you don't want people to kill themselves, make this shithole planet less of a...well, shithole. Give folks better wages, tell people not to bully & abuse each other, etc. It's not rocket science.

 

[xLosthopex]

For the record:

To my family/anyone who knew me, An Garda Síochána(police force in my country), the media etc., if you find my SS account post-ctb you do NOT have my permission to use my case to spread such misinformation and nonsense about this site or the issue of suicide in general. I am here of my own free will and it is my firm belief that any adult who is of sound mind has the right to choose whether or not to end their own life and therefore should have access to the information provided by this site.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

These articles are always the same garbage rehashed over and over.

 

[Simba]

For the record:

To my family/anyone who knew me, An Garda Síochána(police force in my country), the media etc., if you find my SS account post-ctb you do NOT have my permission to use my case to spread such misinformation and nonsense about this site or the issue of suicide in general. I am here of my own free will and it is my firm belief that any adult who is of sound mind has the right to choose whether or not to end their own life and therefore should have access to the information provided by this site.

I agree. We all here by our own accord and no one elses !

 

[Greenberg]

Where the Despairing Log On, and Learn Ways to Die (Published 2021)

It has the trappings of popular social media, a young audience and explicit content on suicide that other sites don’t allow. It is linked to a long line of lives cut short.

www.nytimes.com

This is exposure that we do not need.

 

[Meretlein]

I have said it before and I will say it again: No one would be on this site if society didn't think it was okay to treat us like shit for being suicidal. Those who want to get rid of the site will do nothing unless they address the root of the problem.

Mainstream suicide prevention with its suicide hotlines that call the police and doctors who involuntarily commit people on the chance that they will ctb drive people to this site. These practices not only encourage people to join SS but they directly harm people. Reporters love to write about people who ctbed on this site yet there is not a peep when findings show that suicidal people don't confide with their doctors about suicide and many commit suicide as a result of forcible hospitalization.

There is not a fucking peep when suicidal people share their stories of being treated as a non person by the system that claims to help them.

Some studies for those who are interested:

Fear of forcible hospitalization stops patients from talking about suicide with their therapists

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10503307.2018.1543977?journalCode=tpsr20#:~:text=The most common motivation for,to an inpatient psychiatric unit.

Fear of forcible hospitalization is the chief reason men do not talk about suicide with their doctors

details

health.ucdavis.edu

Psychiatric coercion is linked to an increased suicide attempts after being released

Perceived Coercion During Admission Into Psychiatric Hospitalization Increases Risk of Suicide Attempts After Discharge - PubMed

Patients' perception of the context in which they were hospitalized is associated with a small but significant increase in their likelihood of postdischarge suicide attempts.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Last but not least, a straight to the point analysis of the benefits and costs of mainstream suicide prevention tactics.

Should compulsory admission to hospital be part of suicide prevention strategies?

The World Health Organization report Preventing Suicide: A Global Imperative provides governments with guidance for comprehensive suicide prevention strategies. However, it does not mention the role that compulsory admission to hospital of psychiatric ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

They should've linked to the site instead of posting that cucked shit at the end.

 

[Meretlein]

They should've linked to the site instead of posting that cucked shit at the end.

They might as well have posted this. The approval queue is exploding.

 

[Wojaczek]

Why can't they just mind their own fucking business?
No one wants them to be here or read what's posted here and yet they have to infiltrate this place and turn it into something "evil"
Fucking assholes.

 

[viniboi9]

Wow 433 guests viewing this thread

 

[noLongTalk]

Crazy thing about this is although we are different some situations are similar. The same society that rejected us and refused to help, reacts as if they actually care once you're gone. It's sickening to think about how the same parents who knew I was extremely depressed but continued to tell me I have 2 months to move out because they want to be alone will pretend to care once I am gone.

 

[Ta555]

I feel this whole site should go private as of now no viewing content unless you're a member. And make a waiting period before applying for membership and being approved. Like five days or something.

 

[orange]

They want to fix the symptoms without having to worry about the root of the problem. Love how they try to delegitimize the reasons different people gave for killing themselves, reminds me of that one time I vented here about watching a dog basically bleed out on the pavement and that one guy insisted I tell him my life story because that's no reason to be sad. Ppl just really do think a person can decide to kill themselves just like that, nuts.

 

[healthrecovery]

They might as well have posted this. The approval queue is exploding.

Suicide is hot

Yeah forced hospitalization...people have this hollywood image of it...when i was admitted the room door was damaged because patients tried to stop abuse workers from getting in at night. Also towels in the closet were full of blood stains. The woman in the room next door got beaten up at night and complained about her leg and stuff. All the drugs do jack shit they only make you more suicidal anti psychotics are depressants only make you more suicidal. Core issues and suicidality are never discussed...if you admit having suicidal thoughts they will prolong your hospital stay for many months...there is nothing to do in those hospitals except eating food and watching TV(which you share with like 20 patients)...prison was way better imho almost was a vacation compared with psychiatric hospital...you also get treated better in prison and imho food is better as well.

I got abused and braindamaged by anti psychotic injections called invega sustenna..most people who receive one shot take years to recover and alot of them have permament issues.

So yeah never talk with your doctor about suicidality...just smoke weed or do street drugs, workout and go in nature..meditate eat healthy.

 

[orange]

Suicide is hot

Suicide is soooo sexy you wanna kill yourself so bad

 

[HiImPaul]

I feel this whole site should go private as of now no viewing content unless you're a member. And make a waiting period before applying for membership and being approved. Like five days or something.

I think I waited around that long to get approved

 

[Ta555]

I think I waited around that long to get approved

Damn, it was like a day and a half for me. Ok! 10 days then

 

[Sherri]

It's interesting how hard they come after us, a website that's obviously addressing an adult audience but they don't question the parents, which didn't properly supervise their own children when it came to their internet activity and therefore neglecting them in these regards. I didn't know it's our job to do actual parenting but I've said it over and over again. People that turn out to be underage get banned immediately and here is the deal - children whose parents monitor their activity and use parental tools don't end up on this website. I'm not even gonna address the intense brain gymnastics they've exercised when they came to the conclusion that based on singular cases in which parents failed to take care of their children properly, the entire website consisting of 20'000 adult members is therefore predatory and dangerous. It's such a bad faith conclusion of the purpose of this forum and the community around it.

Wise words as always Rain.