Anyone got approved by Pegasos in May/June 2022?

[befree]

Finally got some clarification from Pegasos, they don't accept healthy people at the age of late 50s:

This is not true. You know why they refuse you. I wrote you the reasons by PM. I´m discreet and wont mention the reason in the forum. Please be fair and don't spread the wrong info that Pegasos generally does not accept healthy people.

I have schizoaffective disorder and have been hospitalized 9 times. Pegasos wants medical records but I don't have anything. The hospitals didn't really hand out medical diagnosis before leaving.

As I said several times before, if you have any mental illness, it is possible to apply for VAD, but they need medical records. You have to travel to Switzerland for an expert opinion of an independent (!) psychiatrist. This costs another CHF 1.000,- + travel expenses.

If you're in good health and just tired of living, then you wouldn't qualify.
.... that are causing a poor quality of life, they will accept you if you have medical records with your condition(s).

Both is wrong. As a healthy person you do not need any medical records. Being tired of living = finished with life does qualify, as long as the person is judgemental and not in the 20/30th.. There were examples of healthy people in this forum, whose applications have been approved.

This conversation with all those rumors, assumptions and false information will never end.

 

[endmypain]

Finally got some clarification from Pegasos, they don't accept healthy people at the age of late 50s:

I got rejected by Pegasos too. I am a little older than you and also healthy.

 

[ToughLife]

Did you say in your email that you're "healthy" but would like VAD? If you're in good health and just tired of living, then you wouldn't qualify. Their FAQ covers all of that.

If one has medical issues, (even if they may seem small to some) that are causing a poor quality of life, they will accept you if you have medical records with your condition(s). Anyone over 18 can apply, and I have a friend in their 20s who's been accepted.

Yes, I said I am healthy.

"I have a friend in their 20s who's been accepted". - In your PM, you said that "Both the people I was referring to have severe xxxxxxx...." , they do have health issues and medical records to prove.

I got rejected by Pegasos too. I am a little older than you and also healthy.

Did you actually apply?

 

[befree]

To clarify one thing:

Regardless of whether you apply as a healthy person (applies only to P) or as a person with a physical or mental illness, these are always individual cases. There is no generally applicable rule as to whether and when a person is accepted. The individual decisions are not based on general terms and conditions. Each application is examined individually by the doctors and lawyers who work with the VAD associations.

If Mr. X was accepted for tinnitus, it does not mean that Mr. Y will also be accepted. There is no legal right to be approved. Many factors can play a role, such as life history and personal circumstances. And if the VAD association gets the impression that there is also or only a mental illness, this can either lead to rejection or an expert opinion is necessary.

It´s important that the application looks convincing. There are a few mistakes to avoid. Otherwise, this could cause doubts and the rejection of the application would be the result.

If you decide to apply for VAD, take your time. Prepare your application and other paperwork carefully. Check it several times before you send it. Put yourself in the position of the associations and ask yourself if this individual (!) application would convince them.

 

[Tortured Existence]

This is not true. You know why they refuse you. I wrote you the reasons by PM. I´m discreet and wont mention the reason in the forum. Please be fair and don't spread the wrong info that Pegasos generally does not accept healthy people.

As I said several times before, if you have any mental illness, it is possible to apply for VAD, but they need medical records. You have to travel to Switzerland for an expert opinion of an independent (!) psychiatrist. This costs another CHF 1.000,- + travel expenses.

Both is wrong. As a healthy person you do not need any medical records. Being tired of living = finished with life does qualify, as long as the person is judgemental and not in the 20/30th.. There were examples of healthy people in this forum, whose applications have been approved.

This conversation with all those rumors, assumptions and false information will never end.

Healthy people are accepted, but the doctor needs some kind of legitimate reason to prescribe the lethal drug. It may not need to be much, but something. At least that's what PN said.

The sisters from AZ weren't "sick" and wanted to die together. They were in their early 50s. Only Pegasos and PN know their exact circumstances, but it didn't sound like either were ill.

Pegasos does decide on a case-to-case basis. I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

I've become very ill myself during the last 10 days, and have been in denial, but I won't be flying to Switzerland.

I apologise for my misrepresentation. This is my last comment. Good-bye.

 

[endmypain]

Did you actually apply?

I emailed them and asked if they could help:

"I'm 6x years old without any serious illness, can I get VAD?

I heard that healthy people even at their 50s got accepted, like sisters Lila Ammouri, 54, and Susan Frazier, 49, from Arizona, USA. There are some people in some forums saying that healthy people got accepted."

I got the following response:

"As a healthy person, we are sorry but we are unable to help you at Pegasos.

No Swiss doctor would approve the lethal medication for a healthy person. We only help the following people:
1) people that are suffering from incurable illness with medical proof.
2) old people with poor quality of life (eg. due to lost spouse or physical issues).

Please read our FAQ "Does Pegasos help 'well' people to die?", we never mentioned that we help healthy people.

You shouldn't believe everything that you read in the media or in online forums, this information is often untrue or in the case of the media, doesn't includes the facts."

 

[ToughLife]

That's really bad news!

 

[befree]

Pegasos website:

quote:

"Can Pegasos help "healthy" people to die ?"

"Pegasos believes that a person's quality of life must be qualitatively poor at the moment when they are already thinking about the end of their life.

Pegasos knows that some people who are not "sick" want to apply for an AS. Even if they are not "sick" it does not mean they are well.

Professor David Goodall was one of those people. He wasn't sick, but his vision and mobility were declining.

Aging is rarely pretty. The decision to end one's life is a very personal one.

Pegasos strives to understand the unique circumstances of everyone who contacts us."


"Does one have to be terminally ill to be accepted at Pegasos ?"

"No, not only terminally ill people are accepted."

"Pegasos Philosophy"

"Firstly, it showed that a person's desire for a dignified and peaceful assisted death is not solely dependent on terminal illness. Old age and a failing quality of life can also play a role."

"Swiss law & Requirements"

"Furthermore under Swiss law, the person requesting the assistance to die must possess:

1. decision-making capacity; and

2. they must have 'control' or 'ownership of the action' over their death ('Tatherrschaft' in German). (See Art. 115 StGB of the Swiss Penal Code & the decision of the Swiss Federal Court BGE 133 I 58). The above criteria means that a person must be of sound mind."

I think Pegasos has become more cautious because of the lawsuit of another association.
Regardless of which of the Swiss VAD associations you apply to, it´s always decided on a case-by-case basis.

 

[karel1987]

David goodall was 104

 

[LeavingEarly]

Can you request health records from hospitals? Most hospitals have health information department. I don't think Pegasos accepts people with schizoaffective disorder though.

I moved and it is hard to get someone on the phone.

 

[Sans]

Pegasos doesn't accept people without serious illness unless they are old enough

Of course they don't. They're no different from the other pro-life assholes.
Maybe a mostly peaceful protest in Switzerland could change this policy though.

 

[befree]

Of course they don't. They're no different from the other pro-life assholes.
Maybe a mostly peaceful protest in Switzerland could change this policy though.

Total nonsene.

 

[Euthanza]

I think it's the Swiss Medical Association that were tightening the rules for VAD, in which Pegasos doctors must comply. Kinda ambiguous with their FAQ and previous media publication but it's just the way it is, unfortunately for both side the organization and the patients, I won't push that hard because I understand their professional consequences. It's not cheap either. Better for me to get myself ready CTB my own way, however I lowkey still hope they can improve in near future ... Sarco is scheduled it's first service this year, let's hope for the best

 

[Sans]

Total nonsene.

What I wrote is nonsense, or the fact that they don't allow younger people is nonsense?

 

[HellWorld]

Please read the FAQ. Nothing has changed for Pegasos. I know people who are not sick, but suffering who are going there. One of the people is in their 20s.

https://pegasos-association.com/faqs/

hello tortured existence, could I please ask you about your friend that was in his 20s that got accepted? I don't seem to be able to send you a message.

thank you

 

[neoyokio]

You messed up if they are acknowledging your anxiety and depression. They won't touch those with mental illness. NEVER mention mental issues to them. You need to be of sound mind. They aren't taking risks with lawsuits.

They told me in an email that as long as I have another health condition that affects my quality of life then I could still be approved with depression, but it will be a more rigorous process. I am not sure I am willing to put myself through possible rejection given my medical trauma.

 

[Cantbereal]

1. If you don´t believe me and a message from Pegasos, just contact them.
2. You don´t have to be ill at all and you don´t have to be 80 or up.

We had this conversation several times. I´m tired of explaining everything over and over again.

But they won't take you .if history of depression, anxiety or drug withdrawal?

 

[Cantbereal]

Emailed Pegasus and the are not approving me I'm 30 to young

Are you sick?

They told me in an email that as long as I have another health condition that affects my quality of life then I could still be approved with depression, but it will be a more rigorous process. I am not sure I am willing to put myself through possible rejection given my medical trauma.

How can you be sound if you wanna die??? Pain makes you depressed! Anyone who applies to death with dignity suffers some depression

They told me in an email that as long as I have another health condition that affects my quality of life then I could still be approved with depression, but it will be a more rigorous process. I am not sure I am willing to put myself through possible rejection given my medical trauma.

How can you be sound if you wanna die??? Pain makes you depressed! Anyone who applies to death with dignity suffers some depression

They told me in an email that as long as I have another health condition that affects my quality of life then I could still be approved with depression, but it will be a more rigorous process. I am not sure I am willing to put myself through possible rejection given my medical trauma.

How can you be sound if you wanna die??? Pain makes you depressed! Anyone who applies to death with dignity suffers some depression