Anyone else think Exit International having a Black Friday sale is pretty fucking tasteless?

[yyytry]

Yes it is but Exit have been pretty fucking tasteless about everything they do for a long time, its primary motive is to keep the cash coming in for PN, a man l wouldn't personally trust as far as l could throw.

100000000% Agree

 

[Shu]

From the news article i read. ''So Adam purchased Nembutal with the advice of Philip Nitschke, the founder of Final Exit Network. Nitschke spent hours skyping with Adam, trying to coax him to stay alive, to give life one more chance. Adam skyped back for over a year''

Are you serious? I didn't know that I thought that he overdosed on his prescription medications.

 

[LastFlowers]

I get that it's a business, but do they have to be quite so openly mercantile about the whole thing? I mean Black Friday is already tacky af - and that's just if you're selling TVs etc. Maybe I'm overreacting, but to me it's akin to a hospital having a BF sale on cancer treatment or a therapist doing special BF 'deals' on cheap therapy.

Can't we have 'Dying with dignity' but also 'advocating voluntary euthanasia with a bit of fucking dignity too'?

I was also shocked when I listened to one of their podcasts for SN, where it starts off with the most unfitting music that makes you think you're about to ride an old school elevator while watching Mister Rogers' neighborhood, rather than listen to how SN shuts down your system.

It was somewhat amusing, but also not.
I am all for dark humor, but there's a time and a place..and I'm not sure some handling of this topic could even fall under that, especially when it comes from those who are labeled as professionals.
I think being forced into the type of hellish circumstances that leave you dead set on ending your life and suffering should still be treated with seriousness and respect.
Should not be treated like a walk in the park or a trip to the grocery store.

It's a great idea. They are a business that sells a service, why shouldn't they engage in normal marketing? If it makes it cheaper for people that's a good thing.

We need to normalise adult consent of their own right to die. Its not about good taste or bad taste, its about the fundamental human right to decide what happens to your own body.

Normalization is fine, but this comes across as disrespectful commodification.
Idk about anyone else, but I am not at all happy or okay with being forced into an existence where an expedited death is the best I can possibly hope for.
None of this is pleasant or casual.

Everything in this fucking life is a business, but see this in a different way, maybe it will help someone with limited resources, but it still feels unpleasant

Should label it as an assistance program for those with limited resources then, rather than a "Black Friday Sale".

I hate that this has to end up as a business too,
when it should really be more of a non-profit situation.
But maybe with how the status quo is, these people aren't exactly going to get many outside sources offering funding to help the suicidal end their suffering.
Still, they didn't have to word their current offer the way they did, even if they don't have as much choice in how they go about the whole affair in general.

Yeah, and when I checked out their membership page, it didn't mention that, but under the ToS link it did. Furthermore, what is even more disheartening is the fact that one of their terms is that "you have never been diagnosed with a mental disorder", which would defeat the purpose of their service being provided to people who suffer from psychological issues (or even those with physical issues but also suffer mentally). I think that criteria should be abolished unless it has to do with decision making capacity. Personally, I believe that if one knows what he/she is choosing, is cognizant enough to understand the choice (death), and coherent enough to express one's own wishes, then there should be no reason to restrict or deny the service to someone. (Btw, I am not a doctor or psychiatrist but just speaking from a perspective of logic.)

I agree but I think there are also plenty of people who are no longer "coherent" where it is obvious that death would be the more merciful and logical option, even for the very reason of the individual no longer being in control of themselves or their body (a very torturous and restrictive state).
Like those who fail attempts and end up brain damaged..it's pretty horrific that this result leads them to have even less options or ability to end their nightmare.

Exactly. Even if I were above the age cutoff, they'd never let me join because I'm bipolar. Why is it that physical suffering is legitimate enough to provide methods for a peaceful exit, but psychological suffering isn't? They expect meds, therapy, and forced hospitalisation to do all the work. The brain is part of the body, and research has shown that psychological pain affects the same parts of the brain as physical pain. Dealing with my depression is painful. I would like the pain to stop. I'm in therapy and take psych meds, and it's not working. It's time to go.

Most "mental illness diagnoses" are slapped on people whose suffering and mental distress is due to external or situational factors anyhow…or even other physical detriments that affect one's ability to thrive or cope mentally and emotionally.

The categories of suffering cannot be reduced to "strictly sourced in the brain" or "strictly sourced in the body", unless you really stretch the definitions of these statements.
And as you suggested correctly..pretty much everything affects the brain because that, along with the rest of our flesh, is what we use to interact and react in any and every situation.