Anyone else frown upon teen suicide?

[Twistedliesinside]

Why should I even respond? My views and experiences are meaningless to others that make up their views based on their own experiences.

Life is never fair and if you're idealistic enough to think it should be then you're going to suffer for that sensitivity. Whether in agony or euphoria, listen to yourself, recognise your own thoughts from the masses. Life is never good because it's pleasurable, neither is it bad because of pain. What life is, has always been in your control, regardless of how many try to take that away. What death is, has always been in your control. Regardless of age, acceptance of life or death will give you control and perspective, even if reality has put you under another's control, your perspective is all it takes to change your reality and the way your reality continues or ends.

Every death is sad for its own unique reason, no life can be standardised. People may view a young death as sad because of the value they see in a future lost, others may see positivity in a young death because of a painful future avoided. Some may feel sad to see somebody die at an old age because of all the suffering they unnecessarily endured, others feel happy they lived a full life, without even knowing their experience, we've made up our mind based on our own.

I don't know what a human wants or needs from life, or if they want or need anything or nothing. I would look up to anybody that makes their own peace with life or death. Whether they're 1 year old or 100 years old. I don't want their peace though, I want my own, even if it is apparently considered by most as not worth living or dying for, I will always decide that for myself as you will for yourself.

 

[imissmykitten]

I am glad that I did not CTB a few years ago, not because things got better but my perspective about death in general has changed a lot.

what do you mean by that?

 

[Aisley]

Everyone's problems can be fixed with enough time even adulthood problems can go away by gaining more control over ourselves, forcing someone to suffer for longer time just so his problems will be fixed with enough time is the most immoral thing to do, it's even more immoral to do it to a child, what the fuck could make someone think "ey man, let's force this kid to live for longer time even if it's involuntary from him, this shit will probably make us look like heros" i wonder how you would feel if you got swatted and ended up in psych ward and was denied the right to die just so your adulthood problems will be fixed with enough and gaining more control over yourself, that's very hypocritical (no offend intended, it's just my opinion)

no worries, you'd have to work pretty hard to offend me.
not all problems go away with time. Physical and mental illnesses get worse over time, for the most part. If the worst thing in someone's life is high school, though, that goes away. (Not just saying that because those years are behind me, when I was in school, I told myself everyday that this was only temporary, and it would end.) If it's bipolar disorder, then they're in for a lifetime of something I don't even understand. Everyone suffers. That doesn't mean we should all die. And when I say everyone, I mean all living things on the planet. Life is suffering. Not trying to glorify it, just stating a fact. And that doesn't mean the whole planet should be rendered barren. My cat has arthritis. He still runs and plays, but sometimes he yells about it. Should I put him down? Most of the time he's pretty happy, but he does suffer. And because he's such a dick, my other cat has self-esteem issues. Should I put him down?

 

[Nights]

no worries, you'd have to work pretty hard to offend me.
not all problems go away with time. Physical and mental illnesses get worse over time, for the most part. If the worst thing in someone's life is high school, though, that goes away. (Not just saying that because those years are behind me, when I was in school, I told myself everyday that this was only temporary, and it would end.) If it's bipolar disorder, then they're in for a lifetime of something I don't even understand. Everyone suffers. That doesn't mean we should all die. And when I say everyone, I mean all living things on the planet. Life is suffering. Not trying to glorify it, just stating a fact. And that doesn't mean the whole planet should be rendered barren. My cat has arthritis. He still runs and plays, but sometimes he yells about it. Should I put him down? Most of the time he's pretty happy, but he does suffer. And because he's such a dick, my other cat has self-esteem issues. Should I put him down?

I didn't mean that everyone has to die, i meant that everyone has the right to exit life in order to stop their suffering even if they're young, and that their problems can be fixed with time? well most adulthood problems like being poor can be fixed with enough time and desperation, but they still has the right to deny waiting for longer time and just decide they want to stop their suffering, WHY SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO WAIT FOR LONGER TIME SO THEIR PROBLEMS WILL BE FIXED what if they JUST WANT TO STOP SUFFERING AND NO WAIT FOR LONGER TIME SO THEIR PROBLEMS WILL BE FIXED

 

[Aisley]

I didn't mean that everyone has to die, i meant that everyone has the right to exit life in order to stop their suffering even if they're young, and that their problems can be fixed with time? well most adulthood problems like being poor can be fixed with enough time and desperation, but they still has the right to deny waiting for longer time and just decide they want to stop their suffering, WHY SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO WAIT FOR LONGER TIME SO THEIR PROBLEMS WILL BE FIXED what if they JUST WANT TO STOP SUFFERING AND NO WAIT FOR LONGER TIME SO THEIR PROBLEMS WILL BE FIXED

Poverty's a tough one. Some people can fight their way out, and some can't. If a person is born to poverty AND depression? Then that's it, that's pretty much their life. That's where I am, I guess. It's been made legal in my country now, that poverty can be given as a reason to get euthanized. And people are screaming that the government is trying to kill all the poor people. That's all they're doing. Not going out and helping people or anything. Just screaming about it. Maybe some light trolling here and on Twitter.
I think I just hate the idea of kids missing out on a few sweet moments in life, cuz they're out there, just a little ahead. But it's a me problem, really. The question leading this thread was asking for personal opinion, and I don't think I would physically block a kid from making an appointment, but I also wouldn't rest easy about it. Another me problem.

 

[Ligottifan95]

Not all teenagers are exactly the same behaviorally/psychologically, or in terms of intelligence. I would not paint with this broad, all encompassing brush and use the faulty generalization fallacy that anyone under the age of 18 or 20, depending on where this "line" is drawn, will automatically and necessarily, like some constant in the laws of nature or physics of the cosmos, have a particular set of "disqualifying" characteristics, ways of thinking, emotional processing, or cognitive "impairment" compared to an "adult", whenever that is supposed to start in the continuem of the aging and developmental stages of a person's brain. Wouldn't every teen be carbon copies, regardless of individual genetic differences, divergent environmental situations/circumstances, and a confluence of random factors and causal variables. For just one example and case study of myself to put foward for examination, I was not much like the "typical" adolescent or teenager. My diagnosis of high functioning autism/Aspergers could be legitimately argued as playing a causally significant role in this to an extent, and conditions of a fairly strict, controlling upbringing, but I digress. I was not "impulsive", did not burn with desire for novelty seeking and exploration of various substances whether that is cannabis, alcohol, or harder drugs, low on risk taking/risk seeking(in fact, highly risk averse, or more appropriately, hyper-cautious and prone to over-assessment), and was rather calm, quiet, contemplative, rationalistic and not as susceptible to what may frequently be labeled as peer pressure. All of these qualities contrast the narrative of "all teenagers are extremely immature, rambunctious, can not imagine or foresee an alternative future, and also their mental suffering is temporary and of lesser 'seriousness'" Actually, things have only declined and become exponentially worse in my 20s, owing in part to a rarer physical health disorder/dysfunction which arose in 2015, or multiple interrelated ones, that has not been easily treatable or curable by medical specialists in urology or physiotherapists.

 

[NumbItAll]

The "it gets better" crowd has still never explained why it matters or why they get to impose their views on others. Maybe life actually isn't that great if you have to desperately convince people that it's worth it. It's also funny when older adults talk about how wise and mature they are as if we aren't all just slightly more advanced—but still highly irrational and disgusting—apes that are slowly decaying for no apparent reason.

 

[Nights]

I think I just hate the idea of kids missing out on a few sweet moments in life

What if kids want to ctb and not enjoy those few sweet moments, what makes those forced to have these few sweet moments even if they don't want to, and just want to ctb to prevent further pain?

 

[tetra]

Getting older wasn't worth it, I saw it coming from miles away. Disregard "maturity" based arguments like this one, perspective and experience has made it all worse.