Anyone else frown upon teen suicide?

[symphony]

Well this is quite the can of worms, but I'm gonna chime in anyways.

When children and teens commit suicide, I am more likely to find it especially tragic, but I do not condemn it or "frown upon" it.

The choice to end one's own life should be universal. Saying children shouldn't CTB because they can't do so rationally is a slippery slope we shouldn't go down. You claim "their underdeveloped brains aren't mature enough". Well, the brain isn't fully developed until about age 25 and the frontal lobe, helping control impulsivity and rationality, is last to develop. Should young adults like myself, old enough to vote or enlist in the army, be barred from suicide because "our underdeveloped brains aren't mature enough"? Should the elderly with dementia be barred for the same reason?

Using the capacity for rationality as a metric in determining when suicide is acceptable is frankly a terrible idea. Sure, children may be irrational here. But people can (and do!) easily extend this to argue that anyone with mental illness is definitionally irrational and thus shouldn't be able to commit suicide. Many argue that suicide is inherently irrational and thus never okay.

Just because these people are young does not necessarily mean their suffering is any less real or any more solvable. Yes, it may occur that a teen going through a breakup or brief depression may attempt, and this is undeniably tragic. But the way to fix it is not by saying they should never be able to CTB, but rather by educating them about mental illness, suicide, and importantly, treatment options to consider before suicide. At the same time, though, you can't know 100% of the time with 100% certainty that "they would eventually overcome [their suffering] in time". Maybe they wouldn't. Should we require them to stick around and keep suffering despite that possibility? You could make the same argument for a rational, intelligent suicidal adult. Perhaps they, too, could overcome it in time, so it would be wrong for them to CTB, right?

But importantly, the most vulnerable among us (children, the intellectually disabled, and elders) are often least able to access options short of suicide. A chronic victim of abuse may not even know or believe there is help available for them and may be highly incapable of asking for that help, largely because of the control their abusers wield over them. If they are able to ask for help, they may not be believed. It happens all too often that children running away from abusive homes are just returned home by the authorities. Expecting someone in this situation to "get emancipated maybe" is pretty overly simplistic and idealistic.

To sum it all up, I guess, if anyone has the right to die, if I have the right to die, then so should everyone else. So no, even if I may be saddened by teen suicide, I do not "frown upon" it.

 

[Weebster]

I agree with Hidden Base. This line of thinking can honestly just be broken down into "It gets better". "It gets better" because you start to think differently, given enough time. "It gets better" because circumstances change. Which isn't exactly untrue, but it's not really clear to me why I'd frown upon just us teenagers committing suicide rather than just suicide altogether at that point.

Telling myself that I'll think differently in the future doesn't really make the problems I'm facing now go away.

No. It's that it might get better, and if it doesn't then ctb if you want. What's a few more years anyway?

I wouldn't do this when I ctb why should I?

Because this site is more important than your use of it.

 

[Riddle]

The choice to end one's own life should be universal. Saying children shouldn't CTB because they can't do so rationally is a slippery slope we shouldn't go down.

That is a slippery slope I am willing to go down

You claim "their underdeveloped brains aren't mature enough". Well, the brain isn't fully developed until about age 25 and the frontal lobe, helping control impulsivity and rationality, is last to develop. Should young adults like myself, old enough to vote or enlist in the army, be barred from suicide because "our underdeveloped brains aren't mature enough"? Should the elderly with dementia be barred for the same reason?

Part of the reason the military targets the youth is because they are more fearless, impressionable, naive, and ofc more often physically fit but the first three are key. They break you down to build you up as a unit, they rely on the fearlnessness of young men to risk their lives on the battlefield. Some think they are going to be a hero or take pride in fighting for their nation, but when your older its easier to see the horrors of war and can see that national pride alone is not a good reason to risk your life. So yes, the brain does change in those years. The military recognizes the difference between an 18 year old and 25-30 year old brain and take advantage of it.

Also, just because one thing in this world is wrong doesn't mean everything else should be. If it is unfair for you to be able to join the military at a young impressionable age, doesn't mean something else has to be unfair.

But the way to fix it is not by saying they should never be able to CTB, but rather by educating them about mental illness, suicide, and importantly, treatment options to consider before suicide. At the same time, though, you can't know 100% of the time with 100% certainty that "they would eventually overcome [their suffering] in time". Maybe they wouldn't. Should we require them to stick around and keep suffering despite that possibility? You could make the same argument for a rational, intelligent suicidal adult. Perhaps they, too, could overcome it in time, so it would be wrong for them to CTB, right?

Yea you are right, there is not a 100% chance of recovery, but like weebster said above me there is a chance and it I don't think it is an insignificant change that you can better and make life worth it. And yea I think that is the right course of action to help a young person, there is no magic pill or cure but there is resources that can help you at least get through and take the chance.

 

[Al Cappella]

I wasn't going to answer this because I felt it a bit click-baity, but something bugs me. One, I refuse to do old fogey mode, two I can remember how it felt to be twelve and already completely freaked out by what my brain was doing—and no one, literally—gave a crap. Put it this way, I only got glasses at age 20, quite by accident and on my own, because before then people though I was crabby and frowning when in reality I was just squinting to see. You guess correctly no one cared about mental health.

So. Not only do I not frown on teenagers (I can see now), but I think to do so is ageism. Their feelings are every bit as valid as anyone else's, and they should be given a safe space to be open about what is going on, without being judged, period.

Kids do take their lives, unfortunately. Do I think compassionate, helpful options should be explored? Yes, absolutely. But I think that should be available for everyone. I also think I should be able to poop gold nuggets. It ain't happening. Now don't think I'm a hypocrite—because if an 8 year old mentions taking their own life—am I going to sit and do nothing? Probably not. Make of that what you will…

 

[ultrafuntimes]

I've been 19 for about a month now, I guess I'm still considered a teenager. Since middle school I've tried everything I could with recovery. Over the years certain things got easier, others become more difficult- in the end it always levels out to where it feels just as unbearable as before. Sure, maybe it would be better for me to wait until I'm 25 to make a decision, but I don't know how to continue forcing myself to live in a world I hate 6 more years just because there is a chance I might not hate it later.

In a sense, I "frown upon" all suicide. I don't really like it when people die. Death rarely seems fair. If you have any solutions I'm all ears!

 

[Ethereal Knight]

I'm a 28 year old male and I think it's obvious that, with age, we become less impulsive and more mature.

between 16 and 20, I was a mess. in my perception, I started to become more mature very slowly over the years, to only become significantly mature after 26. in my subjective perception and experience, at least.

but I don't like the idea of taking freedom away from people.
for many reasons, including, but not limited to, the fact that they are people just like we are, and that removing it would just push them to do things by themselves in secrecy - thus not changing the outcome, or making the outcome worse.

this is all theory though, of course, because right now almost no one has freedom to CTB in a peaceful and humane manner, not even older adults who are lonely, disabled and in constant pain… our society sucks. the world is a terrible place.

I'd discourage teens of CTB because I know things can change for the better, just like they changed for the worse, they could change again, and we never know if the person is being impulsive or heavily influenced by temporary events like break-ups that they would forget anyway etc… so I'd discourage them verbally.
but deep down I want everyone to have freedom, because freedom is our birth-right. freedom is yours. it doesn't make sense to take away freedom from a 17 years old person and then give all the freedom to a 19 year old person, that's a completely arbitrary and artificial rule and doesn't make sense at all.

I'm for freedom! every person can decide what they wanna do with their own lives.
I know freedom may not be the main point of the thread, but anyway, I think it's an important concept.

and as always, I think society should go for root causes, like some people pointed out here already. do you want teens to stop killing themselves? then stop treating them badly. stop spanking them. stop calling them names. stop the emotional abuse. stop using them as scapegoats and punching bags. stop telling them overtly that their value is in their grades and in their income. give them access to sports, physical activities, positive social connections, good food, sleep-friendly environment and a low-stress natural life.

go ask any gardener: what is the problem when the plants are not growing healthy like they should?!

the gardener will answer: it's something in the environment! too much or too little light, too much or too little water, too little nutrients on the earth etc!
the problem is never in the plant, it's in the environment!

that should be a good lesson for us… think like the gardener.

Yes. O totally disapprove teen suicide.
Having Lost my 15 year old to CTB who was being treated for depression, I do not believe he did the right thing.

a huge part of freedom is to be able to make our own mistakes.
if one isn't allowed to make their own mistakes, then they aren't free.

by the way, have you considered that the drugs he was using to "treat" his depression could have been a big part of the cause of his suicide? in US all these ADs come with black box warnings that they may increase suicidality, especially in teens. there's some scientific research behind this, I'm not gonna post the papers because obviously they're too long and no one reads anyway, but one can go to the Pubmed or Google Scholar and can easily find research on that. I'mma post just a small article:

Antidepressants and Teen Suicide

Conflicting evidence regarding SSRIs and children causes concern.

www.psychologytoday.com

obviously I'm not blaming anybody, 'cause no one is to blame for a tragedy like this. I'm just pointing out the fact that antidepressants can increase suicidality in some teens, so that everyone becomes more alert and aware of the fact - these drugs are dangerous!

 

[Weebster]

I'm a 28 year old male and I think it's obvious that, with age, we become less impulsive and more mature.

between 16 and 20, I was a mess. in my perception, I started to become more mature very slowly over the years, to only become significantly mature after 26. in my subjective perception and experience, at least.

but I don't like the idea of taking freedom away from people.
for many reasons, including, but not limited to, the fact that they are people just like we are, and that removing it would just push them to do things by themselves in secrecy - thus not changing the outcome, or making the outcome worse.

this is all theory though, of course, because right now almost no one has freedom to CTB in a peaceful and humane manner, not even older adults who are lonely, disabled and in constant pain… our society sucks. the world is a terrible place.

I'd discourage teens of CTB because I know things can change for the better, just like they changed for the worse, they could change again, and we never know if the person is being impulsive or heavily influenced by temporary events like break-ups that they would forget anyway etc… so I'd discourage them verbally.
but deep down I want everyone to have freedom, because freedom is our birth-right. freedom is yours. it doesn't make sense to take away freedom from a 17 years old person and then give all the freedom to a 19 year old person, that's a completely arbitrary and artificial rule and doesn't make sense at all.

I'm for freedom! every person can decide what they wanna do with their own lives.
I know freedom may not be the main point of the thread, but anyway, I think it's an important concept.

and as always, I think society should go for root causes, like some people pointed out here already. do you want teens to stop killing themselves? then stop treating them badly. stop spanking them. stop calling them names. stop the emotional abuse. stop using them as scapegoats and punching bags. stop telling them overtly that their value is in their grades and in their income. give them access to sports, physical activities, positive social connections, good food, sleep-friendly environment and a low-stress natural life.

go ask any gardener: what is the problem when the plants are not growing healthy like they should?!

the gardener will answer: it's something in the environment! too much or too little light, too much or too little water, too little nutrients on the earth etc!
the problem is never in the plant, it's in the environment!

that should be a good lesson for us… think like the gardener.



a huge part of freedom is to be able to make our own mistakes.
if one isn't allowed to make their own mistakes, then they aren't free.

by the way, have you considered that the drugs he was using to "treat" his depression could have been a big part of the cause of his suicide? in US all these ADs come with black box warnings that they may increase suicidality, especially in teens. there's some scientific research behind this, I'm not gonna post the papers because obviously they're too long and no one reads anyway, but one can go to the Pubmed or Google Scholar and can easily find research on that. I'mma post just a small article:

Antidepressants and Teen Suicide

Conflicting evidence regarding SSRIs and children causes concern.

www.psychologytoday.com

obviously I'm not blaming anybody, 'cause no one is to blame for a tragedy like this. I'm just pointing out the fact that antidepressants can increase suicidality in some teens, so that everyone becomes more alert and aware of the fact - these drugs are dangerous!

I wish I was impulsive. It's because I think things through that ctb is hard.

 

[Sakura94]

I try to stay away from their threads.

 

[TheWood]

Adolescence is a very difficult time for many. it's the moment of growth, of change, it's the moment in which you begin to seriously come to terms with reality. Now, there're situations and situations. Adolescents who have suffered severe abuse or have bad diseases and who are almost irrecoverable, and adolescents who instead have age-related malaises and conditions that are not severe that can be recovered over time. If the former decide to ctb, I justify them much more than the latter. In general, however, I think we should wait 20 or 25 years old to really understand if there's a viable way out or not

 

[ornitier199]

So the rest of us can continue enjoying having a community to talk to about suicide and related topics when we have no one else. Haven't you seen the article trying to shut it down? That result is horrible for people trying to find support for this
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How would they be able to find this site anyways? I don't keep it bookmarked or anything. Honestly they wouldn't look deep in my death, instead just rule as another statistic and move on.

 

[Siterfau]

No. It's that it might get better, and if it doesn't then ctb if you want. What's a few more years anyway?

I think if life is bad enough that you're looking for a way out, then the thought of living a couple more years would be pretty depressing.

I see your point though. I'm just heavily biased right now.

 

[sopwithcamel]

Can you blame a teenager who wants to die after they have gone through years of abuse? Their situation probably won't even improve in just a few years. They might still live at home with people who abuse or dislike them, they might be stuck in a small town with little to no prospects, they might be flunking in school and fail to secure a future for themselves because of their depression, they cannot get emancipated at 16 or 17 because parental approval is needed for that, there's so many factors. It's always sad when someone who's so young dies, but can you blame them when the environment they're in leaves them feeling vulnerable and unheard?

I'm sorry for making this about me, but what the hell was I supposed to do a year ago when I reported my pedophilic, child-molesting brother to the police and my family turned its back on me? I was so distressed I made an account here. The situation somewhat improved but the brother in question still lives with us at home. Add this to the stress school brings and how difficult it is to deal with loneliness and you've got a future Fixthe26 statistic. Life is tough. I can't "frown upon" teen suicide. I just find it sad how their life circumstances led them to do this.

 

[myopybyproxy]

It's not like they ultimately lose anything by waiting til their 20s. No one is saying to wait decades.

when is the right age to be allowed to make that decision? 21? 25? 29?

Well this is quite the can of worms, but I'm gonna chime in anyways.

When children and teens commit suicide, I am more likely to find it especially tragic, but I do not condemn it or "frown upon" it.

The choice to end one's own life should be universal. Saying children shouldn't CTB because they can't do so rationally is a slippery slope we shouldn't go down. You claim "their underdeveloped brains aren't mature enough". Well, the brain isn't fully developed until about age 25 and the frontal lobe, helping control impulsivity and rationality, is last to develop. Should young adults like myself, old enough to vote or enlist in the army, be barred from suicide because "our underdeveloped brains aren't mature enough"? Should the elderly with dementia be barred for the same reason?

Using the capacity for rationality as a metric in determining when suicide is acceptable is frankly a terrible idea. Sure, children may be irrational here. But people can (and do!) easily extend this to argue that anyone with mental illness is definitionally irrational and thus shouldn't be able to commit suicide. Many argue that suicide is inherently irrational and thus never okay.

Just because these people are young does not necessarily mean their suffering is any less real or any more solvable. Yes, it may occur that a teen going through a breakup or brief depression may attempt, and this is undeniably tragic. But the way to fix it is not by saying they should never be able to CTB, but rather by educating them about mental illness, suicide, and importantly, treatment options to consider before suicide. At the same time, though, you can't know 100% of the time with 100% certainty that "they would eventually overcome [their suffering] in time". Maybe they wouldn't. Should we require them to stick around and keep suffering despite that possibility? You could make the same argument for a rational, intelligent suicidal adult. Perhaps they, too, could overcome it in time, so it would be wrong for them to CTB, right?

But importantly, the most vulnerable among us (children, the intellectually disabled, and elders) are often least able to access options short of suicide. A chronic victim of abuse may not even know or believe there is help available for them and may be highly incapable of asking for that help, largely because of the control their abusers wield over them. If they are able to ask for help, they may not be believed. It happens all too often that children running away from abusive homes are just returned home by the authorities. Expecting someone in this situation to "get emancipated maybe" is pretty overly simplistic and idealistic.

To sum it all up, I guess, if anyone has the right to die, if I have the right to die, then so should everyone else. So no, even if I may be saddened by teen suicide, I do not "frown upon" it.

I'm a 28 year old male and I think it's obvious that, with age, we become less impulsive and more mature.

between 16 and 20, I was a mess. in my perception, I started to become more mature very slowly over the years, to only become significantly mature after 26. in my subjective perception and experience, at least.

but I don't like the idea of taking freedom away from people.
for many reasons, including, but not limited to, the fact that they are people just like we are, and that removing it would just push them to do things by themselves in secrecy - thus not changing the outcome, or making the outcome worse.

this is all theory though, of course, because right now almost no one has freedom to CTB in a peaceful and humane manner, not even older adults who are lonely, disabled and in constant pain… our society sucks. the world is a terrible place.

I'd discourage teens of CTB because I know things can change for the better, just like they changed for the worse, they could change again, and we never know if the person is being impulsive or heavily influenced by temporary events like break-ups that they would forget anyway etc… so I'd discourage them verbally.
but deep down I want everyone to have freedom, because freedom is our birth-right. freedom is yours. it doesn't make sense to take away freedom from a 17 years old person and then give all the freedom to a 19 year old person, that's a completely arbitrary and artificial rule and doesn't make sense at all.

I'm for freedom! every person can decide what they wanna do with their own lives.
I know freedom may not be the main point of the thread, but anyway, I think it's an important concept.

and as always, I think society should go for root causes, like some people pointed out here already. do you want teens to stop killing themselves? then stop treating them badly. stop spanking them. stop calling them names. stop the emotional abuse. stop using them as scapegoats and punching bags. stop telling them overtly that their value is in their grades and in their income. give them access to sports, physical activities, positive social connections, good food, sleep-friendly environment and a low-stress natural life.

go ask any gardener: what is the problem when the plants are not growing healthy like they should?!

the gardener will answer: it's something in the environment! too much or too little light, too much or too little water, too little nutrients on the earth etc!
the problem is never in the plant, it's in the environment!

that should be a good lesson for us… think like the gardener.



a huge part of freedom is to be able to make our own mistakes.
if one isn't allowed to make their own mistakes, then they aren't free.

by the way, have you considered that the drugs he was using to "treat" his depression could have been a big part of the cause of his suicide? in US all these ADs come with black box warnings that they may increase suicidality, especially in teens. there's some scientific research behind this, I'm not gonna post the papers because obviously they're too long and no one reads anyway, but one can go to the Pubmed or Google Scholar and can easily find research on that. I'mma post just a small article:

Antidepressants and Teen Suicide

Conflicting evidence regarding SSRIs and children causes concern.

www.psychologytoday.com

obviously I'm not blaming anybody, 'cause no one is to blame for a tragedy like this. I'm just pointing out the fact that antidepressants can increase suicidality in some teens, so that everyone becomes more alert and aware of the fact - these drugs are dangerous!

say it louder for the closeminded wankers in the back

 

[Pain In The Ass]

I thought things in my teens that I know aren't true. I worried about things that I realize now aren't important. I valued things that I learned later aren't valuable. This can happen in later years too sometimes, you're not exempt from making a mountain out of a molehill so to speak, but when you're a teen it is excessive, and when you're older it happens less and less. So when you're a teen there is way more hope than you realize, but as you get older your judgment becomes more accurate - still not perfect, you may still be catastrophizing the prognosis of your current disastrous life and future when you're 40, but it's much less likely than when you were 15.

 

[lostmylove]

Not at all. If I died at 18 I wouldn't of hurt so many people and ruined lives and potentially the love of my life would still be here. Lot of people 16-18 are mature enough for life and had agony of traumatic childhood. Not all 17,18 year olds are silly kids. Abusive vile situations has no age limits

 

[Nights]

It's not like they ultimately lose anything by waiting til their 20s. No one is saying to wait decades.

Why should they decide to suffer until their 20s? why shouldn't people in their 20s wait til their 90s? CAUSE THEY SUFFER BRUH

 

[Aisley]

Why should they decide to suffer until their 20s? why shouldn't people in their 20s wait til their 90s? CAUSE THEY SUFFER BRUH

Because a lot of problems from childhood can go away once we have control over our lives. Paychecks, our own appartments, freedom from shitty parents, these things can be worth experiencing. Depends on what's fucked in your life, I guess. My twenties were a constant frenzy of sex and drugs, paid for by washing dishes, mostly. I'm glad I waited. I was going to ctb when I was 16, and once the blood started soaking in to the cushion I realized my mother would see. So I told myself to wait until I graduated and moved out. And it's not that life got better, but I sure got distracted. Again, it depends on what's wrong in your life, but there could be some good times ahead.

 

[meowmeowkitty]

And when they ctb, they stupidly
don't wipe their phone or computer.

that's not a necessary step, maybe for you and the site to feel better about yourself not being involved but it's not necessary. ctb was their choice and their choice only whether they used the app for help or people for advice.

I think their underdeveloped brains aren't mature enough to make a decision like suicide. It seems to be done by them on impulse due to a bad event that they would eventually overcome in time. There's always exceptions though like ongoing abuse that one can't escape, but even then they could get emancipated maybe.

this is a poor argument, you could say this about anyone under the age of 25 since that's technically an underdeveloped brain as well, you could say this about older people who maybe be dealing with some kind of mental issues, you could say this about people struggling with mental illness in general. the argument ur making against children are the same arguments people are making against people who commit suicide anyways.

 

[Roseate]

I disagree. Many of our issues started as teens or before then and they followed us into adulthood. I think saying teens ctb impulsively is undermining teens issues and mental health. Some problems can be resolved but that's normal no matter the age. The age doesn't make much of a difference. Yes, some problem go away with age but others actually intensify with age. And I don't think anyone is looking at it that way. But I do believe ctb should be a last choice, no matter the age.

 

[Winry]

Off topic but Teen Suicide is (was, I guess. They changed it,) the name of a band I've seen live twice.

Anyways, I don't blame youth for being suicidal but a lot of the problems teens are worried about either go away or are resolved in their 20s/30s.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Frown upon it? No. I feel sorry for anyone at any age that commits suicide. I don't judge them for it. Their situation was shitty enough FOR THEM to realise they couldn't cope with it anymore. It's a tradegy- of course. It would have been good if they could have been given more support. Better if the circumstances that lead them to that point could have been different. That could be said for anyone at any age though.

Do I think it should be legalised- in terms of assisted suicide? Assuming there are no health problems- I'd say 18+. Under that age- I wouldn't agree with legalising it unless there were debhilitating health issues. We have to wait to make a lot of other life changing decisions till that age legally. In terms of an official, legalised and assisted act- it seems reasonable to me to 'gatekeep' it till then.

I can sympathise with suicidal children though. I've had ideation since age 10. I think it's especially cruel to criticise, undermine and berate children for feeling suicidal and acting upon it. It may be factual that we don't fully develop our cognitive abilities until adulthood. I would also have to agree that there are maybe more choices and support available to you when you are young- maybe. Still- all of that doesn't eliminate what that poor kid was going through and feeling. It seems especially cruel to just 'frown upon them' as being 'stupid' or immature or whatever.

 

[skybluesuicide]

And when they ctb, they stupidly
don't wipe their phone or computer.

I doubt wiping your data is one of the things that comes to mind when you decide to finally do it. It's not really an urgent matter. When you're actively taking action to ctb you probably don't care about what'll happen after, you just want the pain to end. dont blame them, blame society. They shouldn't have to keep this stuff a secret in the first place.

 

[Linda]

I think their underdeveloped brains aren't mature enough to make a decision like suicide. It seems to be done by them on impulse due to a bad event that they would eventually overcome in time. There's always exceptions though like ongoing abuse that one can't escape, but even then they could get emancipated maybe.

You can "frown" as much as you want, but what other people choose to do with their lives is not your business. I think that for most teens, adequate support will often remove any desire to ctb, but ultimately it is their life, their choice, and nobody else's.

 

[Nights]

Because a lot of problems from childhood can go away once we have control over our lives. Paychecks, our own appartments, freedom from shitty parents, these things can be worth experiencing. Depends on what's fucked in your life, I guess. My twenties were a constant frenzy of sex and drugs, paid for by washing dishes, mostly. I'm glad I waited. I was going to ctb when I was 16, and once the blood started soaking in to the cushion I realized my mother would see. So I told myself to wait until I graduated and moved out. And it's not that life got better, but I sure got distracted. Again, it depends on what's wrong in your life, but there could be some good times ahead.

But it's their life and i don't see how it is moral to force a child to suffer for longer time just so "he could have more fun in his life" and his suicide "will be more socially okay" i don't encourage young teens to suicide but i think they have the right to suicide, i think suffering is enough reason to suicide regardless of the reasons of why they're suffering, that"s the weakest argument i ever seen

 

[Kasumi]

Essentially I agree with what @symphony, @Superdeterminist and some others already said, but I wanna add one different viewpoint.

This is probably a less big thing than it seems, from my experience, the teens that we are most worried about, the ones that don't seriously want to die, or that are just acting on impulse, they usually don't "do well" with their "plan".
Meaning they'd just try to OD on their AD's, etc generally things that don't work out.
Sure this can always go wrong too, but generally speaking, I don't think it happens all that much that people and young people who aren't 100% sure and well prepared actually succeed.

This is just a very very difficult topic to discuss, there are 20y olds that are acting immature and aren't able to make such a decision and there are 15y olds that are.
Point is, there are always exceptions, there are always those that the current laws / morals don't fit to, the one or the other way.

In reality tho, assuming that a self chosen death would be accepted and supported with proper legislation in the first place, this will never be legal for people under legal age anyway, so there is really no reason to worry about it that much.

 

[willitpass]

I am 21. I have been depressed since age 10 and suicidal since age all. My first attempt was at 12. I understand that teen suicide is sad and some may have gotten better, but to say that it is almost always done impulsively and things may have improved is in my opinion wrong. Does that happen in teens? Absolutely and those suicides are tragic. Is that the only time it happens? Absolutely not. I have endured severe trauma both before I was in treatment and have endured a hell of a lot more trauma because of my treatment. And I also met countless teens in similar situations as me while going through treatment and I can tell you so many of them are also severely mentally ill with a lifetime of trauma. That isn't to say any teen with trauma or mental illness should kill themselves, but I mean that if they do they may well have a valid reason.

 

[Aisley]

But it's their life and i don't see how it is moral to force a child to suffer for longer time just so "he could have more fun in his life" and his suicide "will be more socially okay" i don't encourage young teens to suicide but i think they have the right to suicide, i think suffering is enough reason to suicide regardless of the reasons of why they're suffering, that"s the weakest argument i ever seen

Again, a lot of childhood problems can go away by gaining control over ourselves. Like, if your parents were monsters. Or your hometown was garbage. These things have kids wanting to die, but they pass. I do think euthenasia should be available for all, but the younger the applicant, the more hoops should be in place. Suffering, as you put it, is subjective. Everyone suffers. Everyone. Even the smiley people in your life. Christ, sometimes they're the worst off. All life suffers. That's not argument enough for a barren planet.

 

[Козак]

I am glad that I did not CTB a few years ago, not because things got better but my perspective about death in general has changed a lot.

 

[charlotte_]

While I certainly would hate seeing young kids killing themselves, imo this take is a bit invalidating. Being teenager, not just for me, but for a lot of other people it's a very hard time of their lives. You encounter new things, having to leave behind a carefree childhood, responsibilities, ect, it's tough and I'm not surprised many can't handle it well. It would be even harder for those who live in an unsupportive environment. I'm sure we are all familiar with bullying, abuse in school or home happening to several teenagers in the world. They may not have lost everything, but in that moment, they think that they have lost everything, Depression is a curse that makes you believe in the fact that the painful reality you live in is how the world really is. And that leads them to suicide. Even the so called "childish" reasons, it certainly would not be childish if it's enough to make you want to kill yourself. Imo, all suffering is valid. I do agree teenagers shouldn't have killed themselves, but looking down on them is just insensitive.

 

[Nights]

Again, a lot of childhood problems can go away by gaining control over ourselves. Like, if your parents were monsters. Or your hometown was garbage. These things have kids wanting to die, but they pass. I do think euthenasia should be available for all, but the younger the applicant, the more hoops should be in place. Suffering, as you put it, is subjective. Everyone suffers. Everyone. Even the smiley people in your life. Christ, sometimes they're the worst off. All life suffers. That's not argument enough for a barren planet.

Everyone's problems can be fixed with enough time even adulthood problems can go away by gaining more control over ourselves, forcing someone to suffer for longer time just so his problems will be fixed with enough time is the most immoral thing to do, it's even more immoral to do it to a child, what the fuck could make someone think "ey man, let's force this kid to live for longer time even if it's involuntary from him, this shit will probably make us look like heros" i wonder how you would feel if you got swatted and ended up in psych ward and was denied the right to die just so your adulthood problems will be fixed with enough and gaining more control over yourself, that's very hypocritical (no offend intended, it's just my opinion)