Anyone else committing suicide because they’re ugly?

[omoidarui]

What makes someone fall in love with someone is their personality. Looks get your foot in the door, personality is what sells. It's possible to love someone for multiple reasons including looks.

I don't understand why people think they'll be happier if they looked like someone else. If they then 'get their foot in the door', it wouldn't be on their own merit. Nothing is better than being accepted as you are, and that's all I'm saying.

 

[toolateforme]

mostly since i'm uglier on the inside than the outside

 

[Zamolxes]

mostly since i'm uglier on the inside than the outside

I'm right there aswell :)

 

[LastFlowers]

Yes, partly. My looks meant I could never have a social life. It was also because of lack of social skills, but I feel that if I had been attractive I would had more confidence to interact with others instead of isolate myself. Being bullied for my looks by others made me close myself off and not want to be around others.

How is it with family? Any different?

Even if I stay away from the rest of the world, my siblings and cousins and relatives are all considerably attractive..makes it worse to be around them. They've also gotten to live their lives completely different and have only gained where I have lost. I would normally be big on family but It's very hard when they cannot feel what I feel and their presence only makes it more obvious of how bad I have it. I'm basically invisible anyways when it comes to them (and obviously anyone else too). I've had to isolate myself as much as humanely possible in order to keep any last piece of dignity I have left.

To be the person that exists only to make others feel better about themselves simply by looking at you..to be afraid to speak up because you know you are a glass house and any comment on appearance is a dagger..to know that people are quick to cut you out of their lives for any slight disagreement because you don't matter and you're not worth the trouble because you are unattractive ..to look in the mirror and not see who you really are, but instead just a prison..Well it's the worst thing imaginable for me. My life is a hell tailor made to the kind of person I am.
Apparently a lot of unattractive people get on with their lives. Attractive people love to tell me this! The irony.
Well I simply cannot.

And the only other viable option is plastic surgery which I've already had done once very young when I didn't know why I looked the way I did. I chose to do something to one of my features that was actually very nice because it was the only procedure I knew of at that age. The doctor took this for granted and my parents signed off when they knew it was wrong. Left a teenager to do all the research. I was young and stupid.
And the doctor ruined that feature and the surrounding area.
To top it off, I ended up making another fluke mistake that anyone could have made which further declined my appearance, basically ruined anything that could ever be attractive about me and aged me significantly as well. And I was already working with so little.
I don't know if some of it is even reparable. And the rest would mean both corrective plastic surgery as well as more fresh PS. Very intensive and time consuming. Expensive beyond belief.
I don't trust surgeons or doctors anymore. Especially plastic surgeons.
I have spoken to many people and have come to learn how common poorly done procedures are. Both full blown botches, or small mistakes that make a big difference and anything in between. I know people who have taken their life for only one of my problems. It's very sad, very heartbreaking.

I had so much I wanted to do, places I wanted to see, people I wanted to reunite with..but I've lost my youth, the years that matter, not even any nice pictures to tide me over- which most people will have now-a-days. And I'm very very tired.
Dying seems to be the lesser of two evils. The other-living like this.
Though I fear I will end up failing and be worse off, become a vegetable and allowed to be seen by people I was hiding from because I will have no say.
It's bad enough I have to end things and leave behind an ugly corpse for everyone to gawk at and remember.

I think even if I didn't have this problem, how unfair it would be for the people who do, and how it can ruin their lives while others go on without notice or care. Sucked into their own beautiful worlds.
If by a miracle I were to resolve all my problems, I would feel relief..but would still not have a time machine to gain back the time lost.
There is growth from having your eyes forced open to this side of life, but if it goes on for too long, all the growth becomes rot.

I feel deeply for anyone who has to experience this. It is truly unforgiving and like much of the rest of the world-simply unfair.

Very good reason to kill yourself. You can't control who you're attracted to, and there's no point in settling for less. Death is far better than life without a fulfilling relationship.

Yes I agree it is a very good reason.
But I would be pleased with just being attractive and not having a significant other. I would be happy with having myself and then the family I grew up with. With the relief and comfort in looking the way I want, I could feel free to pursue so much. I would not need nor ask for anything else. I wonder if anyone else feels this way.
It seems like most people are after a relationship and this is a barrier to that goal. Nothing wrong with wanting that, but for me I just want to feel whole and be and look like the real me, who only I can know. I wish everyone could have that.

I'm admittedly quite a hideous guy but I still manage to get laid so my deplorable looks don't really play a part in my desire to die. I guess it's worse to be "ugly" as a woman based on how superficial guys tend to be be. No doubt looks play a role in this world, perhaps a bit too much and both genders are affected by it no matter what anyone may say.

Yes many men and women are equally affected. I agree with your sentiment that it may be worse as a woman, with the way a lot of men seem to be (not all). And I know a lot of good looking women who end up dating and marrying people who are extremely unnattractive, even when it's not for some other shallow reason like the amount of money in their bank account.
I also know of many unattractive men whose main goal in life is to find the most attractive woman they can get. They don't see their female equals in looks, they still want someone terribly attractive even when they know what it is like not to be. There are still ill-words spoken about women who look as those men do-from those men.
I don't quite frankly understand it. I'm not saying anyone has to be with someone just because they're "in their league" (hate that saying) but must people cast them aside like dogs and call them cruel names...

I look awful and the only thing that can satisfy me is to have control over my own looks, I have no desire to involve another person and their looks to fill the gap. Even if I got my wish granted tommorow and became beautiful, even platonic relationships with people who have never experienced the hell of looking like this would be difficult. Because I know how myself and others are treated solely on that fact by attractive people and some other unattractive people alike.
When you don't have understanding between two people, how can there be genuine love.
And how can people betray their own pain and suffering by joining in the crowd that flocks towards the attractive people as if they were the ones who built their own bodies and labored over their own faces.
None of us have a choice in the matter of how we look. A matter that unfortunately rules societies and individuals alike.

i just read an article a few days ago about a woman who got her face burned in a car fire. im just saying... im betting she would KILL to have your "ugly" ethnic face.

You can always point out someone having it 'worse' to anyone with any kind of problem on this site. But it doesn't mean their reason isn't good enough for them and isn't painful enough just because someone else in the world has it worse.

The only thing worse than suffering is someone invalidating that suffering.

Besides, there are far more people who have it better and we may all be someone's worst nightmare while simultaneously being a much better deal in life to someone who has gotten beaten with the stick a few dozen more times than we have.

 

[JadedGray]

How is it with family? Any different?

Even if I stay away from the rest of the world, my siblings and cousins and relatives are all considerably attractive..makes it worse to be around them. They've also gotten to live their lives completely different and have only gained where I have lost. I would normally be big on family but It's very hard when they cannot feel what I feel and their presence only makes it more obvious of how bad I have it. I'm basically invisible anyways when it comes to them (and obviously anyone else too). I've had to isolate myself as much as humanely possible in order to keep any last piece of dignity I have left.

To be the person that exists only to make others feel better about themselves simply by looking at you..to be afraid to speak up because you know you are a glass house and any comment on appearance is a dagger..to know that people are quick to cut you out of their lives for any slight disagreement because you don't matter and you're not worth the trouble because you are unattractive ..to look in the mirror and not see who you really are, but instead just a prison..Well it's the worst thing imaginable for me. My life is a hell tailor made to the kind of person I am.
Apparently a lot of unattractive people get on with their lives. Attractive people love to tell me this! The irony.
Well I simply cannot.

And the only other viable option is plastic surgery which I've already had done once very young when I didn't know why I looked the way I did. I chose to do something to one of my features that was actually very nice because it was the only procedure I knew of at that age. The doctor took this for granted and my parents signed off when they knew it was wrong. Left a teenager to do all the research. I was young and stupid.
And the doctor ruined that feature and the surrounding area.
To top it off, I ended up making another fluke mistake that anyone could have made which further declined my appearance, basically ruined anything that could ever be attractive about me and aged me significantly as well. And I was already working with so little.
I don't know if some of it is even reparable. And the rest would mean both corrective plastic surgery as well as more fresh PS. Very intensive and time consuming. Expensive beyond belief.
I don't trust surgeons or doctors anymore. Especially plastic surgeons.
I have spoken to many people and have come to learn how common poorly done procedures are. Both full blown botches, or small mistakes that make a big difference and anything in between. I know people who have taken their life for only one of my problems. It's very sad, very heartbreaking.

I had so much I wanted to do, places I wanted to see, people I wanted to reunite with..but I've lost my youth, the years that matter, not even any nice pictures to tide me over- which most people will have now-a-days. And I'm very very tired.
Dying seems to be the lesser of two evils. The other-living like this.
Though I fear I will end up failing and be worse off, become a vegetable and allowed to be seen by people I was hiding from because I will have no say.
It's bad enough I have to end things and leave behind an ugly corpse for everyone to gawk at and remember.

I think even if I didn't have this problem, how unfair it would be for the people who do, and how it can ruin their lives while others go on without notice or care. Sucked into their own beautiful worlds.
If by a miracle I were to resolve all my problems, I would feel relief..but would still not have a time machine to gain back the time lost.
There is growth from having your eyes forced open to this side of life, but if it goes on for too long, all the growth becomes rot.

I feel deeply for anyone who has to experience this. It is truly unforgiving and like much of the rest of the world-simply unfair.

Yes I agree it is a very good reason.
But I would be pleased with just being attractive and not having a significant other. I would be happy with having myself and then the family I grew up with. With the relief and comfort in looking the way I want, I could feel free to pursue so much. I would not need nor ask for anything else. I wonder if anyone else feels this way.
It seems like most people are after a relationship and this is a barrier to that goal. Nothing wrong with wanting that, but for me I just want to feel whole and be and look like the real me, who only I can know. I wish everyone could have that.

Yes many men and women are equally affected. I agree with your sentiment that it may be worse as a woman, with the way a lot of men seem to be (not all). And I know a lot of good looking women who end up dating and marrying people who are extremely unnattractive, even when it's not for some other shallow reason like the amount of money in their bank account.
I also know of many unattractive men whose main goal in life is to find the most attractive woman they can get. They don't see their female equals in looks, they still want someone terribly attractive even when they know what it is like not to be. There are still ill-words spoken about women who look as those men do-from those men.
I don't quite frankly understand it. I'm not saying anyone has to be with someone just because they're "in their league" (hate that saying) but must people cast them aside like dogs and call them cruel names...

I look awful and the only thing that can satisfy me is to have control over my own looks, I have no desire to involve another person and their looks to fill the gap. Even if I got my wish granted tommorow and became beautiful, even platonic relationships with people who have never experienced the hell of looking like this would be difficult. Because I know how myself and others are treated solely on that fact by attractive people and some other unattractive people alike.
When you don't have understanding between two people, how can there be genuine love.
And how can people betray their own pain and suffering by joining in the crowd that flocks towards the attractive people as if they were the ones who built their own bodies and labored over their own faces.
None of us have a choice in the matter of how we look. A matter that unfortunately rules societies and individuals alike.

You can always point out someone having it 'worse' to anyone with any kind of problem on this site. But it doesn't mean their reason isn't good enough for them and isn't painful enough just because someone else in the world has it worse.

The only thing worse than suffering is someone invalidating that suffering.

Besides, there are far more people who have it better and we may all be someone's worst nightmare while simultaneously being a much better deal in life to someone who has gotten beaten with the stick a few dozen more times than we have.

The only family in my life are my parents. They don't seem to understand why I think I'm ugly and when I tell them that they're the only ones who don't consider me ugly and that people all my life have been calling me that, they think it's because I'm "unconventional" looking, which is true but I'm also hideous. They only see me from a parent's point of view and don't want to think of their "creation" as being someone that everyone considers visually repulsive. My parents are average looking and have never had to deal with being considered ugly. I'm sorry that you have to deal with feeling this way while being surrounded by a large family that is considered attractive. That would only make things even worse.

 

[Realityisawful]

I don't understand why people think they'll be happier if they looked like someone else. If they then 'get their foot in the door', it wouldn't be on their own merit. Nothing is better than being accepted as you are, and that's all I'm saying.

I don't understand why people think that it's shallow or superficial to want to be conventionally attractive. People can be multifaceted. Maybe I'm wrong, though.

 

[omoidarui]

I don't understand why people think that it's shallow or superficial to want to be conventionally attractive. People can be multifaceted. Maybe I'm wrong, though.

i don't remember saying it's shallow or superficial, at all. i understand why people would want to be attractive, but at the same time, in my opinion being embraced for who you are is better than for who you aren't.

 

[Realityisawful]

i don't remember saying it's shallow or superficial, at all. i understand why people would want to be attractive, but at the same time, in my opinion being embraced for who you are is better than for who you aren't.

It's possible for people to embrace someone for multiple things, including looks. That's what I'm getting at.

 

[Nobodysfault]

I've been ostracized my entire life. There's no point in living if you are an ugly ethnic girl. I'm harassed everywhere I go, no matter how nice or accommodating I tried to be.

Hey, how old are you? How much does your looks effect you everyday life?
For me its the initial reason but it got so much fucking worse, being ugly is what caused continually damage to my life in a worse way than i can ever repair - it made me lose my life and my mind.
For years i used to say: its tragic, this world is so beautiful yet im so ugly.
Again,it got worse, way worse then you will even imagine ive wrecked my already not so good appearance to the lowest and nastiest point ive ever seen on a person my age up to a point of wishing to be as ugly as i was to begin with, ive ruined my both physical and mental health,destructed my life course and illuminated every little trace to what once i desired and wanted for my self- i lost my self and i doubt anyone could ever guess on his own how much i really fucked things up - all because i was ugly.
Listen, i'm a cautionary tale-
I had it all and i could be anything i wanted. People trusted,looked up and expected a lot for me yet now.. well, not im left here cyring.
Anyway what im trying to say is that if this is your only current problem it might pass with the right solution.
feel free to send me a message.

 

[omoidarui]

i'm good looking and hate my life. hope that makes others feel better!

 

[AngelGirl]

I often feel the same. I feel so ugly and I am ashamed of myself because of the way I look and it worsens my social anxiety. I hide away from people often because I feel too ugly and I feel so ashamed to show myself. With my avoidant personality, it involves lots of hiding and running away. It often makes me so sad and want to die. Having any kind of relationship with other people is extremely difficult for me, because I feel like I'm a shitty person, I hate myself, I am ashamed of myself in every single way including my appearance.

But I'm now seriously considering plastic surgery and I feel somewhat hopeful that getting surgery will help me with my depression and social anxiety.

 

[Can'tStandAnymore]

It's one of my reasons for CTB'ing. Me being an average (maybe even below average according to certain criteria) looking Asian male in the US is just horrible in terms of dating and relationships (not that I am interested in dating/relationships but still). Then coupled with my social awkwardness and ineptness (thanks to Aspergers), it's pretty much a death sentence in society for me.

With that 2000 messages and 8000 likes?

May I ask you one thing? Do you really think that you'are socially inept? I think someone just decieving himself here.

Before you tell that you're "socially awkward", please think about the online friends or people you talked with.

 

[pole]

I've been ostracized my entire life. There's no point in living if you are an ugly ethnic girl. I'm harassed everywhere I go, no matter how nice or accommodating I tried to be.

Seems people here tell themselves there ugly and create a perception of themselves by believing their ugly.

I've grown up in a family where since i was pretty young and till now where i'm 19, my mom's mostly the one whos hindered any confidence i have and created the perception and thoughts of me being ugly that have now been cemented in my brain. Grew up calling me ugly, pointing specific things out that she doesnt like about me physically and just continously bashing me for it as if i can change myself, whether it be my hair, skin, height, weight, literally ANYTHING i do, or how u look like. Which has pretty much made me self conscious and doubt myself all my life. So my environment i grew up in i guess forced myself to think this way, and if i didnt grow up within this household for years, i wouldnt have these negative thoughts and perceptions.

So its hard for people to truly "embrace" and accept themselves, if this negativity has been affecting someone FOR YEARS. Especially if theres other people just reassuring your negative and dark thoughts, telling you ur ugly, why ur ugly, pointing things out whether it be friends or family and that just makes it 100x worse.

 

[Can'tStandAnymore]

My face literally looks like shit. My mouth, my cheek, my nose.. They all look like shit. They are as bad as my social skills. Even, the snapchat filter(genderswap filter) too wasn't enough to make me a bit attractive.

But, the appearance is nothing imo. Why would anyone want to kill him/herself solely because of uglyness? It's probably because of the loneliness which is the main outcome of uglyness/social ineptness I think.

 

[pole]

My face literally looks like shit. My mouth, my cheek, my nose.. They all look like shit. They are as bad as my social skills. Even, the snapchat filter(genderswap filter) too wasn't enough to make me a bit attractive.

But, the appearance is nothing imo. Why would anyone want to kill him/herself solely because of uglyness? It's probably because of the loneliness which is the main outcome of uglyness/social ineptness I think.

Yeah to me uglyness is just a reason, i mean to me really. Just a reason, that can influence other "sub-reasons" or like smaller things and lead to other stuff. Like you said uglyness, itll lead to lack of confidence and then social anxiety, and thus emptyness. But its a reason like many other things, including traumatic events, disabilities and physical abnormalities, etc.

 

[Final Escape]

Yes it sucks to be really unattractive or losing your looks. I think it might be enough for some people to want to ctb. Especially in our culture where youth and beauty is so worshipped above all else.

 

[LastFlowers]

My face literally looks like shit. My mouth, my cheek, my nose.. They all look like shit. They are as bad as my social skills. Even, the snapchat filter(genderswap filter) too wasn't enough to make me a bit attractive.

But, the appearance is nothing imo. Why would anyone want to kill him/herself solely because of uglyness? It's probably because of the loneliness which is the main outcome of uglyness/social ineptness I think.

I think it's a pretty valid reason to be honest. But not everyone is affected by their looks the same was as others are. I personally don't think it is any different than when someone feels they are a different gender and wishes to change as much of their body as they can to match up with how their mind wishes to see themselves. They just want their body to match their mind. Or else they feel trapped, trapped within their own body. There is no greater loss of freedom.

Well that's how I feel and it's absolutely dreadful. For me it has nothing to do with loneliness. I "choose loneliness" everyday over showing my face and being humiliated. I don't want to walk around like this. IN this. It is not the real me. I would not want to deal with this even if I was the last person on earth.

There are plenty of other reasons people commit suicide that would not cause me to CTB. Things I would gladly trade my reason for. But I think they are all perfectly good reasons to the people whom they affect. We all have our limits, and what we can handle and what we cannot. No one is the same. And no one can truly understand one person's struggle even if they share a similar story. People are not all impacted the same way.

 

[Mopey]

Heyo,

Im ugly too, although Im a guy.

It contributes.

See you on the other side friend :)

 

[noonetoo]

I feel ugly inside and out.

Inside; I have a shitty personality. I have too much trouble coming to terms with how damaged I am and I really hate myself for it.
I hate that no matter how hard I try to be a good person and get over my past, I constantly feel triggered and I hold no control over my emotions and attitude. I wish it was as easy as the people that tell me "you're an adult now, get over it." "You need excessive therapy" "your problems aren't real, get off your high horse"...
And on the outside, I've always had constant anxiety to pop my black heads and pimples causing scars on my face. My self-esteem is so bad. I'm not overweight anymore, however I hate my body so much that I can't get rid of bulimia thoughts and I still go back to forcing myself to purge even though it's getting more painful though.

The worst part is being called pretty despite that I feel so lonely and I don't even get hit on much.
The rare times I do get complimented, I don't believe it. Pretty and nice people get attention. I don't. But like people say, make up won't make us pretty inside. I wish I could eat it and it would.
Tbh, I'm jealous of ugly people. I feel uglier than ugly. If you have a beautiful heart and lovely personality, if you have much to offer this world, if you show compassion, you are far from ugly.
I envy that.

I hope this didn't offend anyone or sound horrible. I feel low. I'm not good at venting the right way. I suck.

 

[tomz323]

I hate my big head, ugly face, thin hair and scrawny frame. Made my life horrible.

 

[seekingoblivion]

Seems people here tell themselves there ugly and create a perception of themselves by believing their ugly.

I've grown up in a family where since i was pretty young and till now where i'm 19, my mom's mostly the one whos hindered any confidence i have and created the perception and thoughts of me being ugly that have now been cemented in my brain. Grew up calling me ugly, pointing specific things out that she doesnt like about me physically and just continously bashing me for it as if i can change myself, whether it be my hair, skin, height, weight, literally ANYTHING i do, or how u look like. Which has pretty much made me self conscious and doubt myself all my life. So my i grew up in i guess forced myself to think this way, and if i didnt grow up within this household for years, i wouldnt have these negative thoughts and perceptions.

So its hard for people to truly "embrace" and accept themselves, if this negativity has been affecting someone FOR YEARS. Especially if theres other people just reassuring your negative and dark thoughts, telling you ur ugly, why ur ugly, pointing things out whether it be friends or family and that just makes it 100x worse.

Yeah I got the same treatment from my mum and relatives. Honestly I can't exactly say they were wrong. I mean my mirror seems to be saying the same thing.

 

[DownInaHole]

My looks definitely fucked up my life. I was almost good looking except for my caveman forehead and chicken legs. I don't like my skin tone either. My looks don't bother me as much anymore at the age of 45.
My belly don't help either.

 

[seekingoblivion]

Yes it sucks to be really unattractive or losing your looks. I think it might be enough for some people to want to ctb. Especially in our culture where youth and beauty is so worshipped above all else.

Don't forget money. Youth and beauty and money. Actually for us men it's more about money though looks seem to be getting more and more focus as well. Or maybe I'm just noticing this now. I don't know. But apparently I shouldn't expect any woman to want to be with me unless I have bank. Unfortunately I'm broke and ugly and dull so I'm just really looking forward to ctb now.

 

[Final Escape]

Don't forget money. Youth and beauty and money. Actually for us men it's more about money though looks seem to be getting more and more focus as well. Or maybe I'm just noticing this now. I don't know. But apparently I shouldn't expect any woman to want to be with me unless I have bank. Unfortunately I'm broke and ugly and dull so I'm just really looking forward to ctb now.

Yea being broke might be worse than being ugly or old. The other two can sort of be alleviated with enough money and a satisfying life with interesting things to do. But when you are struggling in all three areas it's a shitty life lol!

 

[seekingoblivion]

Yea being broke might be worse than being ugly or old. The other two can sort of be alleviated with enough money and a satisfying life with interesting things to do. But when you are struggling in all three areas it's a shitty life lol!

Oh it definitely is not fun. But I imagine at some point I'd personally still feel empty despite everything I could buy (especially love) simply because I had to buy it. What do you imagine it would be like for yourself?
Unfortunately for me I'm also gonna have to struggle with ctb cause I have too strong a survival instinct (read cowardice) to go through with the only method I can use right now.

 

[throwaway123]

yes, it's one of those big reasons why I want to die. My ugliness has also caused a lot of other problems that make me want to CTB.

There was a thread made way back about how looks determine your fate.

 

[Final Escape]

Oh it definitely is not fun. But I imagine at some point I'd personally still feel empty despite everything I could buy (especially love) simply because I had to buy it. What do you imagine it would be like for yourself?
Unfortunately for me I'm also gonna have to struggle with ctb cause I have too strong a survival instinct (read cowardice) to go through with the only method I can use right now.

I think if I was financially secure I would definitely want to keep going. I could then be free to pursue whatever I want without worrying about basic needs, bill collectors. I would no longer have to prostitute myself to keep a roof over my head and make enough to pay the high cost of living. That alone would probably allow my self esteem to repair somewhat. Knowing I don't have to hurt myself to pay the bills.

It would remove that stress so I could focus on things I might actually want to do that are good for me. At the moment I feel trapped. While there probably is a way out, I'm so damaged and bitter. The changes I would have to make are like more than I'm willing to compromise. It's just tougher when u are much older and u don't have enough things to look forward to.

 

[seekingoblivion]

I think if I was financially secure I would definitely want to keep going. I could then be free to pursue whatever I want without worrying about basic needs, bill collectors. I would no longer have to prostitute myself to keep a roof over my head and make enough to pay the high cost of living. That alone would probably allow my self esteem to repair somewhat. Knowing I don't have to hurt myself to pay the bills.

It would remove that stress so I could focus on things I might actually want to do that are good for me. At the moment I feel trapped. While there probably is a way out, I'm so damaged and bitter. The changes I would have to make are like more than I'm willing to compromise. It's just tougher when u are much older and u don't have enough things to look forward to.

Man I totally get that. The freedom. I wouldn't have to sit my ass at my desk. I think all we really want is freedom of some form or the other.

I'm sorry you're hurting. I'm sorry for everything you're going through. I totally get the feeling trapped part. I feel that way about being a part of life itself. And I also understand the part about other solutions. I don't know if this is how you feel but to me it'd be like moving a mountain if I did the things that might apparently make this life worth living (which I don't think will work cause the existential dread is deep in me). And I'm tired of trying things.
While I feel old (god do I feel so old) and I generally don't have anything to look forward to I can't claim to know what you must be feeling. Though sometimes I feel like it's too late for me so maybe I can relate a little. I will tell you though I and millions more consider your early forties to be young still. There's still many ways one's life can change should one want it to. But then, I suppose, it could be like moving a mountain lol.

 

[ready-or-not06]

Haha this is my thread

My old account was deleted because I forgot the password

 

[marcusuk63]

Lets face it the human race on a whole is pretty ugly and i dont mean looks