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I can attribute some positive things to autism perhaps. None of it is worth the misery at all.
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It's absolutely not a bullshit concept and that's not what the article you shared is advocating for either. It's limited but empirically testing and validated, as I discussed in my earlier post.IQ is a bullshit concept. Lots written on it but here's one: https://bigthink.com/neuropsych/iq-load-bs/
I absolutely despise having autism and it's why I'm on this forum. I don't see anything good about it - I likely would have had the strengths regardless of it and it's just made the downsides of difficulty of dealing with people.
Right now my special interest is seeing how to move to another country and packing up my life here so I can CTB. Autism makes planning hell but knowing I won't be here for long gives me so much joy and a fun 'hobby' with a healing end.
There is not a consistent point of view about IQ; there's a lot of valid critiques because of the social construct part of it. I can find plenty to support it (https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/understanding-the-flaws-behind-the-iq-test) and you can stay on your 'limited and tested' hill. There are many concepts that are established, but the idea that one of the is IQ isn't. You can keep arguing, but I won't participateIt's absolutely not a bullshit concept and that's not what the article you shared is advocating for either. It's limited but empirically testing and validated, as I discussed in my earlier post.
A magazine article isn't a reputable source. You're clearly not familiar with the research on the topic. EVERY heuristic has limitations, but as I've discussed, that doesn't mean it's a "bullshit" concept.There is not a consistent point of view about IQ; there's a lot of valid critiques because of the social construct part of it. I can find plenty to support it (https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/understanding-the-flaws-behind-the-iq-test) and you can stay on your 'limited and tested' hill. There are many concepts that are established, but the idea that one of the is IQ isn't. You can keep arguing, but I won't participate
You don't find Discover reputable? Fine, here's your academic journal: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10888691.2014.983635. This one's on IQ at work performance. I can keep going. You come here sounding like you have the definitive answer and you're being disrespectful - there was absolutely no need to use the 'you're clearly not familiar' attitude. I'm done here and won't be responding to anything you write, and have flagged this to the mods for breaking the sub rules around respectful discourse.A magazine article isn't a reputable source. You're clearly not familiar with the research on the topic. EVERY heuristic has limitations, but as I've discussed, that doesn't mean it's a "bullshit" concept.
Edit to add that just because a construct is misunderstood and misinterpreted by the general population, that doesn't make it invalid.
I believe in the spectrum being a big part of why some people believe it to be a giftAm I the only one with autism who doesn't see anything positive about having autism what so ever? I know they say it's a gift, but honestly I don't see it at all. It's been causing me nothing but issues my entire life. More like a curse than a gift to me honestly. Don't mean to hate on autism or anything. If you see it as a gift, then good for you. I don't. Not for me anyways. Just wanted to know if anyone else can relate, that's all.
And yet it's you who's escalated the argument, who is referring to empirically validated measurments as "bullshit" and who got triggered at my initial comment about how I perceive having a high IQ as a strength for myself. Take careYou don't find Discover reputable? Fine, here's your academic journal: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10888691.2014.983635. This one's on IQ at work performance. I can keep going. You come here sounding like you have the definitive answer and you're being disrespectful - there was absolutely no need to use the 'you're clearly not familiar' attitude. I'm done here and won't be responding to anything you write, and have flagged this to the mods for breaking the sub rules around respectful discourse.
There are hardly anyor means of preventing
At present time, yes, but autism is highly heritable and eventually if progress continued there would likely be genetic testing to determine if one is predisposed to neurodevelopmental disorders. Many advocacy groups want this to be blocked completely and families not given a choice to know if a potential child could be autistic or not.There are hardly any
You can do tasks in half the time? Lucky. It takes me more time to do things than normal people. Maybe that's because I have ADHD as wellI have spent the last year trying to convince myself and those around me that my autism is a gift which makes me awesome at so many different things, like hyper focus, attention to detail, pattern spotting, problem solving.
But in reality, people don't like the fact that I can perform better than them, I don't want to feel excluded so I pretend that I'm not as good at stuff as I am, I pretend that I don't know the answers to questions and that I haven't completed tasks in half the time it would take somebody else.
These 'gifts' just serve to isolate and make other people resent you. I have no idea how to socialise and connect with others in a way where I can be my true self. Why would anyone want to live in a world where they cannot fundamentally be accepted?
I think about leaving this world everyday, and I have tried several times. This life is just not built for people like us.
My friend has autism and ADHD and she tells me about how hard it is to have the conflict of both. But we're all individual and experience things differently. My experience of autism won't be the same as someone else'sYou can do tasks in half the time? Lucky. It takes me more time to do things than normal people. Maybe that's because I have ADHD as well
I hate it too. I feel like my opinions and needs gets supressed every day causing me more and more misery. It's funny how they keep telling me and ppl around me how important it is for us with autism with routines and things being predictable and stable around us (witch is true), yet they peocceed to neglect those needs. And you know what's the crazy part? They always get upset with me when I choose to skip a routine or something bc I'm too tired, while THEY are allowed to neglect me that stability bc that's apparantly ok. Fuck people man!Might be a hot take but here goes.
One of the most depressing things to me is how we will probably never have any treatment for autism or means of preventing it because anyone who tries to research it gets shut down by so called "advocacy groups" full of high functioning geniuses who don't give a rats ass about autistic people who suffer and could never achieve what the elites have due to multiple levels of disability.
The people pushing that agenda have no idea how awful life is for chronically suicidal seemingly functional autistic people who can't hold a job, those who can work but live miserably because they can't socialise and those who can't speak or communicate, those who bash their head into the wall because their sensory overload is sending their mind and body into overdrive, the people who will never find love, live independently, or follow their dreams.
These elite "advocates" calling the shots and shutting down autism research that could potentially change so many people's lives for the better love to cry about eugenics, and yet it is their selfish actions, this notion that autism is a gift for EVERYONE- that is actually causing so many disabled people to die because there will never be adequate provisions given to the autistic people that struggle.
I hate having autism and I hate that those sorts of people have center stage and get to speak for all of us now. It's grim.
I hate it too. I feel like my opinions and needs gets supressed every day causing me more and more misery. It's funny how they keep telling me and ppl around me how important it is for us with autism with routines and things being predictable and stable around us (witch is true), yet they peocceed to neglect those needs. And you know what's the crazy part? They always get upset with me when I choose to skip a routine or something bc I'm too tired, while THEY are allowed to neglect me that stability bc that's apparantly ok. Fuck people man!
Holy crap. I tried explained this to someone recently. I went off the deep end though. Saw some studies that linked autism and high IQ together. What happens with this combination? High chance of depression. Scored 131 for the Mensa test. Top 2%. Hate this shit. Too self aware and it's not even hell. It's purgatory….Being aware of it is probably the worst part. I'd much rather have a disabillity that causes me to have low iq and the mindset of a child than this, coz at least I'd be happy and carefree. Instead I'm stuck being tormented by society and my own depression and anxieties.
I've had it suggested by many people I am autistic (aspergers) though not formally diagnosed. There's nothing wrong with being autistic. In fact I think the mind of someone who is autistic holds a lot of value. The issue is people who are autistic understand the world better than the world understands people who autistic. And it should be the other way around. I think society uses it as an excuse to treat people with autism poorly.I can attribute some positive things to autism perhaps. None of it is worth the misery at all.
Well, I have average iq, but it still sucks regardless.Holy crap. I tried explained this to someone recently. I went off the deep end though. Saw some studies that linked autism and high IQ together. What happens with this combination? High chance of depression. Scored 131 for the Mensa test. Top 2%. Hate this shit. Too self aware and it's not even hell. It's purgatory….