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martyrdom

martyrdom

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Nov 3, 2025
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You're equating all sex workers to a sweatshop. But not everyone is happy with their job. Many people are overworked and underpaid but are still not working in a sweatshop. You, however, have declared that it is impossible for a woman to perform as a sex worker of her own voluntary and with consent. Therefore, you have decided that all sex workers are in a sweatshop, but there is nothing but your own opinion to validate this assertion.
My opinion is based on the reality of prostitution in the actual real world. The fact is that the vast majority of prostitutes do it because they have no other option financially, because they were groomed, because they were trafficked, because they need to for whatever other material reason, and not because they like it, choose it, want it, or enjoy it. I can accept the possibility that there may be a small percentage of prostitutes or sex workers who genuinely enjoy it and would not choose anything else - but those women are the minority, and they do not overshadow the needs & protections of the majority of prostitutes who really want to get out.

Moreover, a client has absolutely no way to know which he is dealing with. There is no way to know whether a woman you go to to buy sex is not trafficked, enjoys it, has no other option financially, has a pimp, was groomed, was abused, etc. None. And even with the sex workers who "do enjoy it" in theory, they are still going to face massive abuse. As I said previously, I also literally do not care about why the woman does it. I care about why the man does it.

You keep deflecting to "but some prostitutes like it" and continually refuse to answer why a man is okay with buying sex with someone who does not want to have sex with him, because you have no answer to that. That is the core of the question, not what the woman wants.

But here is your evidence:
https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-244X-6-24 ;
https://www.medicaldaily.com/prosti...pay-sex-may-be-more-likely-commit-rape-350700 ;
https://prostitutionresearch.com/men-who-buy-sex-london-2009/ ;
https://www.vice.com/en/article/massachusetts-brothel-clients-state-supreme-court-case/ ;
What's Wrong with Prostitution? ;
A brief history of the 'Sex work is work' movement ;
Where did the idea that prostitution is a normal job that can be empowering for women come from and why did it gain ground so quickly? ;
Buying sex makes men more prone to violence against women ;
Survival Mechanisms and Trauma Bonding in Prostitution ;
How legalization made Germany the brothel of Europe ;
"Bitch, You Got What You Deserved!": Violation and Violence in Sex Buyer Reviews of Legal Brothels - PDF ;
Prostitution in Five Countries: Violence and Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder ;
Prostitution and Trafficking in Nine Countries ;
Prostitution in Vancouver: violence and the colonization of First Nations women ;
Posttraumatic stress disorders in prostitutes: Results of a study in Hamburg in the context of an international project ;
Men who pay for sex in Germany and what they teach us about the failure of legal prostitution: a 6-country report on the sex trade from the perspective of the socially invisible 'freiers' ;
Posttraumatic stress disorder among female street-based sex workers in the greater Sydney area, Australia ;
Cumulative Violence and PTSD Symptom Severity Among Urban Street-Based Female Sex Workers ;
Are Men Who Buy Sex Different from Men Who Do Not?: Exploring Sex Life Characteristics Based on a Randomized Population Survey in Sweden ;
Men who buy sex: Who they buy and what they know ;
Sexual Exploitation as a Minor, Violence, and HIV/STI Risk among Women Trading Sex in St. Petersburg and Orenburg, Russia ;
Early sexual experience as a factor in prostitution ;
Sexual child abuse as an antecedent to prostitution ;
Sexual Abuse as a Precursor to Prostitution and Victimization Among Adolescent and Adult Homeless Women ;
Childhood victimization and subsequent risk for promiscuity, prostitution, and teenage pregnancy: a prospective study ;
Associations between childhood maltreatment and sex work in a cohort of drug-using youth ;
Dissociation and Abuse Among Multiple Personality Patients, Prostitutes and Exotic Dancers ;
Sex Trafficking of Women in the United States: International and Domestic Trends ;
Violence by clients towards female prostitutes in different work settings: questionnaire survey ;
Prostitute homicides: a descriptive study ;
Mortality in a Long-term Open Cohort of Prostitute Women ;
https://www.news.com.au/finance/bus...story/6f28870d436544514a909d581467d06f#.nm0jm ;

I can also recommend several books (written by sex workers, primarily) if you are actually interested.

I suspect if you surveyed most adults and asked them would they like to quit their jobs, most would say yes. Similar to asking most prostitutes if they wish they didn't have to work their "jobs." But does that mean everyone is being abused and coerced to work? I mean, most folks would not work if they were millionaires, so does that mean they are being forced to work? Sure, you can argue "quit and find a different job" but what if they feel "pressure" to work at all? I mean, nobody wants to work and be "controlled" by their boss and paid money in exchange for that coerced servitude... and many studies exist that say a sizeable portion of the population suffers depression as a result of feeling trapped in their jobs and seeing no way to change things.
In capitalism, most jobs are exploitative as they exist today. However, no one is equating flipping burgers with having unwanted sex because it is fundamentally different and you know it.

I just don't like the absolutism declaring to the OP who asked a simple question about finding someone to pay for sex so he doesn't die without the experience at least once... the absolutism of telling him that he is a "rapist" if he pays for sex. It's insensitive at best, and intentionally false and hurtful at worst.
Sex is not a right and I don't care at all about men who want to have sex with people who don't want it just so they don't die without experiencing it. I don't care about men who prioritize their own pleasure over the likelihood of hurting someone who is exploited. Having sex with someone who doesn't want it and would not have sex with you without money is financial coercion, it's rape.
 
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With a chosen name of "martyrdom" and an inability to see that your opinion isn't fact no matter how much you declare it to be so... I don't see a point in continuing this conversation because you don't even see your own misogyny showing brightly. You literally said you don't care about the woman's opinion over what she wants to do... that's all I needed to hear. Welcome to the blocked list.