Any guesses as for why the suicide rate is going up?

[Strumgewehr]

And again, the urban dictionary isn't a legitimate website for definitions. It doesn't matter if they imply a different meaning if nazis use that term to spread hateful propaganda. You're still spreading a wrong ideology that doesn't exist and is nothing else than a conspiracy theory.

First of all, you didn't even link the definition. And


They created some impressive weapons like the 'Schwerer Gustav'. They came up with some interesting ideas about weapons and had concept for a sun gun that could burn down whole cities. But they also are responsible for the holocaust.

I did link it. If it's not working search the term in urbandictionary.com

 

[RainAndSadness]

Since you like the wordplay so much, why are you using the word Nazi? It doesn't mean anything. Use the word National Socialist.
Hateful is it? You see hate because you are filled with hatred and brainwashing. You say I wasted your time as if I forced you to continue. It was you who quoted me first.

Uhm, nazi means nazi. It's simply the short words for national socialist. I'm not filled with hate because I don't help to spread propaganda against minorities.

I did link it. If it's not working search the term in urbandictionary.com

There are a couple of definitions about cultural marxism that have different a meaning. That's why I say you can't simply use that website for a political discussion because urban dictionary isn't meant to be taken seriously. It's a joke, nothing else. People can upvote definitions and that's how they bypass the quality control. You simply picked the definition you liked the most while completely ignoring that nazis use that term for their own causes.

 

[Dip]

First of all, you didn't even link the definition. And

It looks like part of your post got cut off.

Since you like the wordplay so much, why are you using the word Nazi? It doesn't mean anything. Use the word National Socialist.

Nazi is the abbreviated form of National Socialist. It means the same thing.

They created some impressive weapons like the 'Schwerer Gustav'. They came up with some interesting ideas about weapons and had concept for a sun gun that could burn down whole cities. But they also are responsible for the holocaust.

But muh jet fightas ;((((((((

 

[Strumgewehr]

Nazi is the abbreviated form of Nati

@Dip @RainAndSadness

It is not. It would have been Nasi or Nati/- if it was so. Or it would have been shortened to socialist as with the communists.
And again, I have never supported the National Socialist idiology of executing the LGBT if that's true at all. You are just putting words in my mouth.

 

[Dip]

It is not. It would have been Nasi if it was so. Or it would have been shortened to socialist as with the communists.

Check out the etymology of the word:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Nazi

From German Nazi, a shortening of Nationalsozialist ("National Socialist") (attested since 1903, as a shortening of national-sozial),[1] since in German the nati- in national /ˌnatsi̯oˈnaːl/ is approximately pronounced Nazi [ˈnäːtsi]; compare Sozi ("socialist").[1] A homonymic term Nazi was in use before the rise of the NSDAP in Bavaria as a pet name for Ignatz and (by extension from that) a derogatory word for a backwards peasant, which may have influenced[2] the use of that abbreviation by the Nazis' opponents and its avoidance by the Nazis themselves.[1][3]

1. 
   References
2. "Nazi" in Douglas Harper, Online Etymology Dictionary, 2001–2018., citing Friedrich Kluge, Elmar Seebold, Etymologisches Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache, 24. Auflage (Walter de Gruyter, Berlin/New York 2002, →ISBN)
3. ^ Henrik Gottlieb, Jens Erik Morgensen, editors (2007) Dictionary Visions, Research and Practice: Selected Papers from the 12th International Symposium on Lexicography, Copenhagen 2004‎[1], illustrated edition, Amsterdam: J. Benjamins Pub. Co., →ISBN, pages 247-249

And again, I have never supported the National Socialist idiology of executing the LGBT if that's true at all. You are just putting words in my mouth.

I never suggested that.

 

[Fylobatica]

Nihilism without a doubt adds to suicidality.

Without a doubt?



A lot of people don't believe in meaning, yet they still keep living.

 

[Strumgewehr]

Ok I'll give you that.

I never suggested that.

It was for @RainAndSadness

 

[Dip]

Ok I'll give you that.


It was for @RainAndSadness

Perhaps we got bogged down in terminology used. Funnily enough you did make some interesting points earlier but the way you grouped some things together under one catch-all term is odd to say the least given that it doesn't involve Marxism and there's far more elements to that story than just "the government".

 

[Mecha Man]

This thread has gone COMPLETELY off topic.

That said, my favorite things about the Nazis is that they have awesome uniforms and they make great villains in fiction : D

 

[Mecha Man]

Without a doubt?



A lot of people don't believe in meaning, yet they still keep living.

Just because a lot do, doesn't mean they all do. My brother is an existential nihilist. And when he temporarily convinced me that his beliefs were correct (he really wishes he hadn't now), I became suicidal, because I couldn't cope. I attempted suicide, too. I could never live as a nihilist. Not that I have a problem with nihilists, I just personally can't accept that philosophy and maintain my sanity.

I don't know if one person matters, but nihilism contributed massively to my becoming suicidal. Although, I guess I'm hardly "normal" myself...

 

[weedoge]

I just came here to respond to the original post.... what the hell happened here then. People get so.. passionate... about politics....

Anyway about the suicide rate rising, is it actually rising though? What countries are you referring to? I was researching suicide statistics very briefly the other day out of curiosity and it seems to me that suicide rates fluctuate independently in any given area to reflect certain factors of that area. ie. repression, poor work opportunities, violence and riots. "Seeing the world for what it really is" to me really means finally having one great realisation that is extremely difficult to come to terms with and accept, or even when accepted deciding that it might be better for themself to not be alive anymore.

I really think that people come to the conclusion that "the world is fucked" after they decide they want to die, because it's easier to cope with those feelings then.

 

[Mecha Man]

I just came here to respond to the original post.... what the hell happened here then. People get so.. passionate... about politics....

Anyway about the suicide rate rising, is it actually rising though? What countries are you referring to? I was researching suicide statistics very briefly the other day out of curiosity and it seems to me that suicide rates fluctuate independently in any given area to reflect certain factors of that area. ie. repression, poor work opportunities, violence and riots. "Seeing the world for what it really is" to me really means finally having one great realisation that is extremely difficult to come to terms with and accept, or even when accepted deciding that it might be better for themself to not be alive anymore.

I really think that people come to the conclusion that "the world is fucked" after they decide they want to die, because it's easier to cope with those feelings then.

I guess I (stupidly) saw the title and just assumed that it was true, and in my own country (The U.S.). I feel so stupid when these obvious questions come up.

Edit: Oh, but seriously, don't be silly. Normal non suicidal people say the world is fucked all the time.

 

[Fylobatica]

Just because a lot do, doesn't mean they all do.

that's because of what I was talking about a couple of posts before. The masses were brainwashed into thinking that religion is the only solution, and to accept that as a matter of fact. So everything that doesn't friendly step into its realm with promises and goodies from up above, is seen as suspicious and inherently bad. Nihilism is neither good nor bad, it just politely points out that things really might not have the deepest of meanings that even a 'god' could think of. That doesn't mean that somebody cannot live a 'productive' or happy life.

 

[weedoge]

I guess I (stupidly) saw the title and just assumed that it was true, and in my own country (The U.S.). I feel so stupid when these obvious questions come up.

Edit: Oh, but seriously, don't be silly. Normal non suicidal people say the world is fucked all the time.

Hmm I guess you're right, it definitely went the other way for me I think. It took me being miserable to really realise and see lots of the bad stuff.

On another topic someone mentioned earlier here, I feel the incredibly fast advancement of technology is... quite possibly a cause for some of the problems we face today especially the social problems. Just look at Japan they have far more shut ins and accommodate it so well because they're so "advanced". I definitely don't think tech is a bad thing, video games are fun as hell too, but we know so little about the negatives these things might bring. It's possible for us to literally write a full genome of dna and "print it" into a cell now which is amazing, yet youtube still has algorithms that will show fucked up violent videos to children in the autoplay queue.

Technology brought in a new age of instant gratification, comfort and taking things for granted and I find for at least me personally it came at just the worst time for me and is probably half the reason I fucked up my life. So for me... fuck technology lol. I'd much rather have the ability to travel anywhere I like in the world and experience the most beautiful vistas in the world even if it meant never touching a phone or computer again, which is vastly different to how I felt just a few years ago. Sorry kind of went off on a tangent lol.

 

[Mecha Man]

Hmm I guess you're right, it definitely went the other way for me I think. It took me being miserable to really realise and see lots of the bad stuff.

On another topic someone mentioned earlier here, I feel the incredibly fast advancement of technology is... quite possibly a cause for some of the problems we face today especially the social problems. Just look at Japan they have far more shut ins and accommodate it so well because they're so "advanced". I definitely don't think tech is a bad thing, video games are fun as hell too, but we know so little about the negatives these things might bring. It's possible for us to literally write a full genome of dna and "print it" into a cell now which is amazing, yet youtube still has algorithms that will show fucked up violent videos to children in the autoplay queue.

Technology brought in a new age of instant gratification, comfort and taking things for granted and I find for at least me personally it came at just the worst time for me and is probably half the reason I fucked up my life. So for me... fuck technology lol. I'd much rather have the ability to travel anywhere I like in the world and experience the most beautiful vistas in the world even if it meant never touching a phone or computer again, which is vastly different to how I felt just a few years ago. Sorry kind of went off on a tangent lol.

I'd be incredibly satisfied if just social media and smart phones were erased from existence, although social media is very big on smart phones as well now.

 

[weedoge]

I'd be incredibly satisfied if just social media and smart phones were erased from existence, although social media is very big on smart phones as well now.

Yup I get the feeling if I didn't focus so hard on maintaining "friendships" online since I was about 14 years old then I might not have ended up in the situation I'm in now. There's no way to know for certain whether that's the reason or whether I was just already mentally fucked but feels like a lot of time wasted and ruined.

 

[Mecha Man]

Yup I get the feeling if I didn't focus so hard on maintaining "friendships" online since I was about 14 years old then I might not have ended up in the situation I'm in now. There's no way to know for certain whether that's the reason or whether I was just already mentally fucked but feels like a lot of time wasted and ruined.

I had a myspace account and a livejournal account for about a year or less around the time I graduated high school. After some time passed, I began to notice how people interact differently online than they do in real life (as well as how it changed the nature of our relationships in strange and perhaps subtle ways), and also that there were people that would only communicate with me on myspace but never in real life. At first it was like an addiction, but eventually I became disgusted with it. I hated all of it. I deleted those accounts and haven't participated in Facebook or Twitter or any kind of social media since then. That was about 10 or 11 years ago.

 

[Dip]

I'd much rather have the ability to travel anywhere I like in the world and experience the most beautiful vistas in the world even if it meant never touching a phone or computer again, which is vastly different to how I felt just a few years ago.

As a primate that's difficult to do without at least wooden ships, which are technology.

 

[Mecha Man]

As a primate that's difficult to do without at least wooden ships, which are technology.

I'm sure virtually none of us see a problem with ALL technology. I doubt anyone has anything against ships or airplanes (unless they're afraid of flying, or get seasick ; ) )

 

[weedoge]

As a primate that's difficult to do without at least wooden ships, which are technology.

Please, I think you understand what I meant by my post, I made a clear point about how I don't find all technology disgusting and just that through personal experience I know some people must be prone to it (social media at the very least) having negative effects.

I had a myspace account and a livejournal account for about a year or less around the time I graduated high school. After some time passed, I began to notice how people interact differently online than they do in real life (as well as how it changed the nature of our relationships in strange and perhaps subtle ways), and also that there were people that would only communicate with me on myspace but never in real life. At first it was like an addiction, but eventually I became disgusted with it. I hated all of it. I deleted those accounts and haven't participated in Facebook or Twitter or any kind of social media since then. That was about 10 or 11 years ago.

Yes... I think it was like an addiction for me too, I wish I had that realisation sooner but I never did. I think I always latched on to any kind of companionship I could feel regardless of how distant it felt. I had friends in school but never kept in contact afterwards, and same in college, whenever I've made friends online or offline I've always had my mental illness case some kind of block and ended up feeling very inferior, like a shitty unlikable selfish friend, and ended up alone. Even the past few years, it's been more inconsistent but I still latched onto people online as some kind of escape for having no good people irl and it just did me more harm than good. Also read an article the other day how girls are trying to get plastic surgery to more closely represent snapchat filters lol. I'm only 23 y/o, still pretty young in terms of the internet, but even in just my lifetime things have changed so much. When I was in school people didn't have tablets or phones but now every kid over the age of 8 does.

 

[Mecha Man]

Please, I think you understand what I meant by my post, I made a clear point about how I don't find all technology disgusting and just that through personal experience I know some people must be prone to it (social media at the very least) having negative effects.


Yes... I think it was like an addiction for me too, I wish I had that realisation sooner but I never did. I think I always latched on to any kind of companionship I could feel regardless of how distant it felt. I had friends in school but never kept in contact afterwards, and same in college, whenever I've made friends online or offline I've always had my mental illness case some kind of block and ended up feeling very inferior, like a shitty unlikable selfish friend, and ended up alone. Even the past few years, it's been more inconsistent but I still latched onto people online as some kind of escape for having no good people irl and it just did me more harm than good. Also read an article the other day how girls are trying to get plastic surgery to more closely represent snapchat filters lol. I'm only 23 y/o, still pretty young in terms of the internet, but even in just my lifetime things have changed so much. When I was in school people didn't have tablets or phones but now every kid over the age of 8 does.

Yes, it's quite a sad state of affairs in my opinion. I don't even try to date anymore because, due to my lack of involvement in social media, it's sort of like I live in a completely different world from everyone else. I have 1 ex girlfriend who, although I'm still friends with, sends me text messages all the time which bugs the heck outta me. I always tell people, "if you wanna have a conversation, please, just call me."

Anyways, What is/are your mental illnesses anyways, if you don't mind my asking?

 

[Dip]

Please, I think you understand what I meant by my post, I made a clear point about how I don't find all technology disgusting and just that through personal experience I know some people must be prone to it (social media at the very least) having negative effects.

Nevertheless you can't put the genie back in the bottle once you've let them out ;)

If it's any consolation technology is just another means of increasing the rate of entropy, so it's not like it will last anyway.

 

[weedoge]

Yes, it's quite a sad state of affairs in my opinion. I don't even try to date anymore because, due to my lack of involvement in social media, it's sort of like I live in a completely different world from everyone else. I have 1 ex girlfriend who, although I'm still friends with, sends me text messages all the time which bugs the heck outta me. I always tell people, "if you wanna have a conversation, please, just call me."

Anyways, What is/are your mental illnesses anyways, if you don't mind my asking?

I guess it never seemed like a big deal to me when I was younger, since I didn't feel any ill effects, I was able to skype and video with friends I'd met for hours on end, even met up with some irl. but after I left home and went a few years doing rlly stupid stuff irl I somehow had a big shift in my confidence. It was already low but now it turned to self loathing, I find it impossible to even voice chat with people. Basically lost the ability to socialise in the only way I know how and it's really gotten me down but it seems trivial to most people. Every group of friends I made over the past few years I ended up drifting away from because I wasn't comfortable really integrating.

I'm only diagnosed with depression a long time ago, but in 2012 I was told I may be showing early symptoms of borderline personality. There's definitely something out of whack with my emotions and social skills, I've spent so long analysing other people and it feels like I get hung up on the wrong things and I'm not able to move past or get over things like other people are. You know you meet so many people that have a severe depression phase but then seem to get past it and move on with their lives and it makes me bitter that was never me, even though I really tried. I'm in my thought and illness too deep now and made the decision that I don't want to spend the same number of years trying to get myself out of it. Hell if I do have a personality disorder then it's with me to stay anyway and I don't want to deal with the shitty person I am regardless of whether I have a diagnosis.

 

[Jon86]

Without a doubt?



A lot of people don't believe in meaning, yet they still keep living.

I saw that video when they posted it. Idk, it's so painfully obvious to see how nihilism can add to suicidality but you seem bent on denying a simple truth. It doesn't really matter anyway, nothing does.

 

[Fylobatica]

t's so painfully obvious to see how nihilism can add to suicidality

It's not nihilism "per se", it is its misinterpretation that does, as it just teaches you that nothing has meaning, but nothing can stop you to enjoy life regardless, if you care enough.

What's more interesting is that nihilism actually could help people who are trappled in an endless useless circlejerk about religion and feelings of incoming punishment living a freer and more mentally stable life.

It doesn't really matter anyway, nothing does.

I wholeheartedly agree

 

[Mecha Man]

It's not nihilism "per se", it is its misinterpretation that does, as it just teaches you that nothing has meaning, but nothing can stop you to enjoy life regardless, if you care enough.

What's more interesting is that nihilism actually could help people who are trappled in an endless useless circlejerk about religion and feelings of incoming punishment living a freer and more mentally stable life.



I wholeheartedly agree

I coincidentally found a post I made somewhere else that I think addresses this very issue (although, ironically, it was in a thread that ended up being more related to why people are so -against- suicide):

"I'm pretty sure it's a whole lot more than religion perpetuating the problem here. Most atheists seem to think life is just as valuable as religious people, and are just as disturbed by pain, suffering, and DEATH. The real problem, I think, is the human condition. The desire to survive is very powerfully ingrained in us. Even among us, many have talked about just how hard it really is to kill yourself, no matter how badly you want to die. This is our survival instinct kicking in trying to keep us alive.

If suicide were readily embraced and encouraged by society, it would pose a very real threat to the perpetuation of our species (not that it matters 'cause we really are all gonna die anyway because of global warming in like 1,000 years or something... or so I've been told.) I'm not trying to defend pro-lifers, I'm just trying to say that this may all be part of nature's defense mechanism.

Also, I believe that in the minds of pro-lifers, the concept of embracing suicide for other people is subconsciously a threat to their very way of thinking, and their way of life; it's just completely unthinkable for them, like shooting one of their kids or something like that. It's all psychological or biological."

One thing I tried to imply here, but didn't directly state, is that one of our basic psychological needs as human beings is the need to feel like our life has some kind of purpose or meaning, or that we are significant in some way. Without this, we simply can't cope with our existence as purposeless, meaningless creatures.

Obviously I speak from personal experience. My brother as well, being a nihilist, while not being actively suicidal, is far from living a happy life. He's very disturbed as well, and has talked about killing himself someday after our parents are dead many times (it's hard to figure him out, because he likes playing with people's minds, and frequently says things that contradict statements he's made in the past). He's also absurdly intelligent, which is probably part of how he is able to keep on living such a stable life in spite of his psychological difficulties.

Furthermore, obviously many of the people here who ARE suicidal seem to think that their lives are meaningless, and that life in and of itself is meaningless. Whether that is because they are suicidal, or if they are suicidal because of it, or it is just coincidental is unknown. I think this is a good question to ask, actually; how many of you out there feel like the realization that life is meaningless contributed to your negative mental state? Also, if you don't mind my asking, I'm curious to know why you, Fylobatica, are suicidal as well.

 

[GoneSeptember2018]

Stop being a snowflake and let people have their opinions.

Don't start. Provocation won't work with me. I'm allowed to have opinions too.

 

[AntiLifeEric]

Don't start. Read through the whole thread. Provocation won't work with me.

What you talking about? I'm saying someone shouldn't be banned from a forum like this for being racist. Are we in the multicultural love forum? No, it's a suicide forum. As long as someone isn't being purposely offensive, we should all be okay.

 

[AntiLifeEric]

I'm not racist btw, but everyone should be allowed their opinions. Also not saying that the other guy is racist. I haven't read through his posts.

 

[GoneSeptember2018]

I'm not racist btw, but everyone should be allowed their opinions. Also not saying that the other guy is racist. I haven't read through his posts.

This is the last I'll say on this thread, lest I contribute to it devolving into some shitty, third tier reddit argument. If you read through the thread, you'd see that the user Strumgewehr was stating that the increasing racial and cultural diversity will lead to a nation where whites are the minority, and this is somehow dangerous or negative. As RainandSadness stated earlier in the thread, this typically an alt-right talking point that espouses hostility towards minorities. If you cannot or don't acknowledge that, there is no further discussion that is possible. People don't like being called racist in general, it the truth is that we all have some internalized bigotry; whether we are aware of our personal biases is another matter.