Help another noose placement thread for full suspension hanging

[blissfulness]

i've been looking around and still can't find a definitive answer. where do i put the noose when i hang myself??? there's so many conflicting answers. i've tried practicing with the noose just under my jaw, but my head keeps swelling up so obviously i'm doing it wrong as i'm not getting at the carotid arteries.

above the adam's apple

Placement of rope for full suspension? URGENT

Good evening. Please tell me where I shop place the rope on my neck for full suspension? I hear people talk about sliding and obviously trying to restrict the arteries but I feel one you step off whatever you are, the rope is going to kind of do what it wants. Please do not speculate, only...

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One last question about hanging and rope placement

I read a few good articles on this site about hanging some time ago, but I remember conflicting recommendations about rope placing on the neck. Some say that it should be placed under Adam's apple and others say it should be placed over Adam's apple. Can you give a somewhat of a definitive...

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Guide on how to lose consciousness when hanging yourself (aka most common hanging mistakes)

I've seen a lot of doubt regarding whether or not someone is conscious or unconscious during a full suspension hanging attempt. Below I've linked some videos in which people are undoubtedly conscious for a few minutes (due to them not following the hanging best practices)...

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middle of the neck?

Hanging - Suicide Wiki

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bottom of neck

Rope placement in partial hang

In partial hang, everyone says it is better to place rope on the top of ur neck, above your adams apple. But when i place rope at the bottom of my neck instead, ı go unconcious in 10 seconds with no pain at all. Is there any disadvantages of placing rope at the bottom of ur neck?

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[Gustav Hartmann]

If you hang full you don't have to care about the noose placement. The noose will slip automatically in the highest position under your yaw which is also the best position to block the carotids. As soon as the arteries are blocked you will feel no swelling head anymore.

 

[blissfulness]

If you hang full you don't have to care about the noose placement. The noose will slip automatically in the highest position under your yaw which is also the best position to block the carotids. As soon as the arteries are blocked you will feel no swelling head anymore.

thanks for the info! so many different sources it gets confusing

 

[it_is_that_bad808]

Try this, place the rope around the exact middle of your neck with the knot in the back. Look up and tigten the rope until snug making sure it is in the exact middle of your neck and the knot is behind. Put a little weight on it then look down. Out in 3 sec.

If you feel blood building up in your head, restart, then put a little more weight before you look down.

 

[AreWeWinning]

i've been looking around and still can't find a definitive answer. where do i put the noose when i hang myself??? there's so many conflicting answers. i've tried practicing with the noose just under my jaw, but my head keeps swelling up so obviously i'm doing it wrong as i'm not getting at the carotid arteries.

above the adam's apple

Placement of rope for full suspension? URGENT

Good evening. Please tell me where I shop place the rope on my neck for full suspension? I hear people talk about sliding and obviously trying to restrict the arteries but I feel one you step off whatever you are, the rope is going to kind of do what it wants. Please do not speculate, only...

sanctioned-suicide.net

One last question about hanging and rope placement

I read a few good articles on this site about hanging some time ago, but I remember conflicting recommendations about rope placing on the neck. Some say that it should be placed under Adam's apple and others say it should be placed over Adam's apple. Can you give a somewhat of a definitive...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Guide on how to lose consciousness when hanging yourself (aka most common hanging mistakes)

I've seen a lot of doubt regarding whether or not someone is conscious or unconscious during a full suspension hanging attempt. Below I've linked some videos in which people are undoubtedly conscious for a few minutes (due to them not following the hanging best practices)...

sanctioned-suicide.net

middle of the neck?

Hanging - Suicide Wiki

web.archive.org

bottom of neck

Rope placement in partial hang

In partial hang, everyone says it is better to place rope on the top of ur neck, above your adams apple. But when i place rope at the bottom of my neck instead, ı go unconcious in 10 seconds with no pain at all. Is there any disadvantages of placing rope at the bottom of ur neck?

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For me, the main problem was that I didn't apply enough pressure. Once I discovered this, everything became easy and straightforward. The diameter of the ligature and the position don't matter much anymore, and I can pass out easily, within seconds. Or, to be precise, I start to pass out and lose my vision and muscle strength. It's a very distinct and obvious feeling, and it happens very quickly.

Also, what worked for me was lowering myself. Pulling on the rope didn't work, because I couldn't pull hard enough. But lowering myself quickly, decisively, with full force works every time. The key is to commit fully and not hold back.

How do you practice? The best — and only safe — way to practice is if you hold the other end of the rope in your hand. If you pass out, you automatically release the rope, which releases tension, so it's safe.

Practicing with the rope fixed to an anchor point is not only dangerous, but also completely pointless in my opinion. If someone does this, they'll definitely hold back, because they know it's dangerous — so they'll never experience what it feels like to pass out quickly. Or, if they don't hold back? Then the most likely outcome is that they die, in which case it's not a test but an attempt.

 

[monetpompo]

For me, the main problem was that I didn't apply enough pressure. Once I discovered this, everything became easy and straightforward. The diameter of the ligature and the position don't matter much anymore, and I can pass out easily, within seconds. Or, to be precise, I start to pass out and lose my vision and muscle strength. It's a very distinct and obvious feeling, and it happens very quickly.

Also, what worked for me was lowering myself. Pulling on the rope didn't work, because I couldn't pull hard enough. But lowering myself quickly, decisively, with full force works every time. The key is to commit fully and not hold back.

How do you practice? The best — and only safe — way to practice is if you hold the other end of the rope in your hand. If you pass out, you automatically release the rope, which releases tension, so it's safe.

Practicing with the rope fixed to an anchor point is not only dangerous, but also completely pointless in my opinion. If someone does this, they'll definitely hold back, because they know it's dangerous — so they'll never experience what it feels like to pass out quickly. Or, if they don't hold back? Then the most likely outcome is that they die, in which case it's not a test but an attempt.

your posts have always been super helpful when researching hanging!! there's so many variables that it gets super confusing.

 

[blissfulness]

For me, the main problem was that I didn't apply enough pressure. Once I discovered this, everything became easy and straightforward. The diameter of the ligature and the position don't matter much anymore, and I can pass out easily, within seconds. Or, to be precise, I start to pass out and lose my vision and muscle strength. It's a very distinct and obvious feeling, and it happens very quickly.

Also, what worked for me was lowering myself. Pulling on the rope didn't work, because I couldn't pull hard enough. But lowering myself quickly, decisively, with full force works every time. The key is to commit fully and not hold back.

How do you practice? The best — and only safe — way to practice is if you hold the other end of the rope in your hand. If you pass out, you automatically release the rope, which releases tension, so it's safe.

Practicing with the rope fixed to an anchor point is not only dangerous, but also completely pointless in my opinion. If someone does this, they'll definitely hold back, because they know it's dangerous — so they'll never experience what it feels like to pass out quickly. Or, if they don't hold back? Then the most likely outcome is that they die, in which case it's not a test but an attempt.

thanks, super helpful! I was practicing with both a rope and later my belt cause it was more comfortable, and just pulling the end behind my neck. i definitely wasn't using enough force. i was worried about markings at the time (can't exactly walk around with a huge rash around my neck lol) so i'll find a time where i wouldn't have to worry about that.

 

[TheVanishingPoint]

If the body is fully suspended with its entire weight loaded onto the neck, the pressure exerted is always more than sufficient to occlude both common carotid arteries, which require only 3.5 to 6 kg of force per side to be sealed. No special knot placement is needed; the body's own weight naturally forces the noose into the anatomically effective position. Under these conditions, loss of consciousness will invariably occur within 6 to 13 seconds. There are no exceptions. If the traction continues, the process reliably leads to cerebral anoxia, irreversible brain damage, and death. It is not possible to remain suspended and conscious. It is not possible to hang and remain cognitively aware for minutes. Any uncertainty presented in some accounts stems solely from failed partial-suspension attempts, where weight is distributed to the knees, feet, or slack ropes. In a full suspension, death is not a possibility it is a physiological certainty. No myth. No morality. No margin of error.


Loss of consciousness occurs when cerebral perfusion pressure drops below 50 mmHg. This generally happens after 6–13 seconds of bilateral occlusion of the common carotid arteries, with external pressure of approximately 3.5–6 kg per side. After 15 seconds, EEG readings begin to show electrical silence; after 30–60 seconds, reversible neuronal damage begins, and after 3–4 minutes, irreversible damage sets in, especially in vulnerable areas such as the hippocampus, prefrontal cortex, and basal ganglia. If a person voluntarily induces loss of consciousness for 30 seconds, four times per week, over the course of one year, that amounts to 208 episodes annually. 208 episodes × 30 seconds = 6,240 seconds of cumulative cerebral ischemia per year, equivalent to 104 minutes, or 1 hour and 44 minutes of compromised brain oxygenation. Even if each single episode falls within the reversible range, chronic repetition produces cumulative microdamage: recurring oxidative stress, disruption of cerebral autoregulation, selective synaptic loss in cortical areas, and progressive decline in executive and memory functions. Studies on individuals exposed to chronic intermittent hypoxia (e.g., severe obstructive sleep apnea) show measurable cortical atrophy (up to 3–5% volume loss in the prefrontal cortex within 12–18 months) and reduction in working memory and processing speed. Repeating episodes of self-induced loss of consciousness, even brief ones, over months or years constitutes a form of low-intensity but cumulative cerebral ischemia with neurotoxic and degenerative effects.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

If the body is fully suspended with its entire weight loaded onto the neck, the pressure exerted is always more than sufficient to occlude both common carotid arteries, which require only 3.5 to 6 kg of force per side to be sealed. No special knot placement is needed; the body's own weight naturally forces the noose into the anatomically effective position. Under these conditions, loss of consciousness will invariably occur within 6 to 13 seconds. There are no exceptions. If the traction continues, the process reliably leads to cerebral anoxia, irreversible brain damage, and death. It is not possible to remain suspended and conscious. It is not possible to hang and remain cognitively aware for minutes. Any uncertainty presented in some accounts stems solely from failed partial-suspension attempts, where weight is distributed to the knees, feet, or slack ropes. In a full suspension, death is not a possibility it is a physiological certainty. No myth. No morality. No margin of error.


Loss of consciousness occurs when cerebral perfusion pressure drops below 50 mmHg. This generally happens after 6–13 seconds of bilateral occlusion of the common carotid arteries, with external pressure of approximately 3.5–6 kg per side. After 15 seconds, EEG readings begin to show electrical silence; after 30–60 seconds, reversible neuronal damage begins, and after 3–4 minutes, irreversible damage sets in, especially in vulnerable areas such as the hippocampus, prefrontal cortex, and basal ganglia. If a person voluntarily induces loss of consciousness for 30 seconds, four times per week, over the course of one year, that amounts to 208 episodes annually. 208 episodes × 30 seconds = 6,240 seconds of cumulative cerebral ischemia per year, equivalent to 104 minutes, or 1 hour and 44 minutes of compromised brain oxygenation. Even if each single episode falls within the reversible range, chronic repetition produces cumulative microdamage: recurring oxidative stress, disruption of cerebral autoregulation, selective synaptic loss in cortical areas, and progressive decline in executive and memory functions. Studies on individuals exposed to chronic intermittent hypoxia (e.g., severe obstructive sleep apnea) show measurable cortical atrophy (up to 3–5% volume loss in the prefrontal cortex within 12–18 months) and reduction in working memory and processing speed. Repeating episodes of self-induced loss of consciousness, even brief ones, over months or years constitutes a form of low-intensity but cumulative cerebral ischemia with neurotoxic and degenerative effects.

How do I have to imagine the force of 35 to 60 N, that is requred to close the carotids? Is this the rope force or acts this force perpendicular to neck? Isen't is rather a pressure than a force we are talking about?

 

[Hangman.]

Based on my research submandibular region is the best for blocking both carotid arteries.

 

[Renato]

If the body is fully suspended with its entire weight loaded onto the neck, the pressure exerted is always more than sufficient to occlude both common carotid arteries, which require only 3.5 to 6 kg of force per side to be sealed. No special knot placement is needed; the body's own weight naturally forces the noose into the anatomically effective position. Under these conditions, loss of consciousness will invariably occur within 6 to 13 seconds. There are no exceptions. If the traction continues, the process reliably leads to cerebral anoxia, irreversible brain damage, and death. It is not possible to remain suspended and conscious. It is not possible to hang and remain cognitively aware for minutes. Any uncertainty presented in some accounts stems solely from failed partial-suspension attempts, where weight is distributed to the knees, feet, or slack ropes. In a full suspension, death is not a possibility it is a physiological certainty. No myth. No morality. No margin of error.


Loss of consciousness occurs when cerebral perfusion pressure drops below 50 mmHg. This generally happens after 6–13 seconds of bilateral occlusion of the common carotid arteries, with external pressure of approximately 3.5–6 kg per side. After 15 seconds, EEG readings begin to show electrical silence; after 30–60 seconds, reversible neuronal damage begins, and after 3–4 minutes, irreversible damage sets in, especially in vulnerable areas such as the hippocampus, prefrontal cortex, and basal ganglia. If a person voluntarily induces loss of consciousness for 30 seconds, four times per week, over the course of one year, that amounts to 208 episodes annually. 208 episodes × 30 seconds = 6,240 seconds of cumulative cerebral ischemia per year, equivalent to 104 minutes, or 1 hour and 44 minutes of compromised brain oxygenation. Even if each single episode falls within the reversible range, chronic repetition produces cumulative microdamage: recurring oxidative stress, disruption of cerebral autoregulation, selective synaptic loss in cortical areas, and progressive decline in executive and memory functions. Studies on individuals exposed to chronic intermittent hypoxia (e.g., severe obstructive sleep apnea) show measurable cortical atrophy (up to 3–5% volume loss in the prefrontal cortex within 12–18 months) and reduction in working memory and processing speed. Repeating episodes of self-induced loss of consciousness, even brief ones, over months or years constitutes a form of low-intensity but cumulative cerebral ischemia with neurotoxic and degenerative effects.

Thank you for this very informative post. It's very reassuring that no matter what in max 13 seconds you won't be conscious according to science.
I just want to reiterate one missing point: all of this is true under the assumption that you are using a constricting knot, right?
I'm especially thinking to some of the videos posted by Evelyn where you could see people actively trying to save themselves for more than a minute (this is the thread with links: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...self-aka-most-common-hanging-mistakes.174897/).

In other words, with full suspension the ONLY way you could keep being aware after the first few seconds is because of a wrong knot. And this is based on scientific evidence. Do I understand correctly?

 

[kopebaldy]

Afaik, as long as the knot is centered behind your neck, it's all good.

 

[Forveleth]

As you note, there are many threads on here saying different or conflicting things about rope placement but the answer I have gathered is that it is very anatomy dependent. No one can give you a definitive answer because no two necks are identical. While people's anatomy are generally similar, things like exact artery placement, muscle structure, and fat distribution vary widely which means so does the answer of where to place the rope.

The best answer is to find out for yourself. When I was practicing for partial (rope around my neck with the other end not anchored), I found I had to readjust the rope several times before I found the right spot for me. You can read all of the information and recommendations you want, but you will not know until you actually try it on yourself.

 

[TheVanishingPoint]

How do I have to imagine the force of 35 to 60 N, that is requred to close the carotids? Is this the rope force or acts this force perpendicular to neck? Isen't is rather a pressure than a force we are talking about?

You're right. Biomechanically it's lateral pressure that occludes the carotids, but it's caused by the vertical force of body weight through the rope. Saying "3.5–6 kg per side" is a simplified way of stating that this is the amount of force needed to generate the necessary pressure, without diving into surface area calculations. The body's downward force becomes a compressive force on the neck, squeezing the carotids between the rope and the spine. No special knot is required; it's the weight that tightens the rope in the right place.

 

[AreWeWinning]

If the body is fully suspended with its entire weight loaded onto the neck, the pressure exerted is always more than sufficient to occlude both common carotid arteries, which require only 3.5 to 6 kg of force per side to be sealed. No special knot placement is needed; the body's own weight naturally forces the noose into the anatomically effective position. Under these conditions, loss of consciousness will invariably occur within 6 to 13 seconds. There are no exceptions. If the traction continues, the process reliably leads to cerebral anoxia, irreversible brain damage, and death. It is not possible to remain suspended and conscious. It is not possible to hang and remain cognitively aware for minutes. Any uncertainty presented in some accounts stems solely from failed partial-suspension attempts, where weight is distributed to the knees, feet, or slack ropes. In a full suspension, death is not a possibility it is a physiological certainty. No myth. No morality. No margin of error.

TL;DR it works.

Loss of consciousness occurs when cerebral perfusion pressure drops below 50 mmHg. This generally happens after 6–13 seconds of bilateral occlusion of the common carotid arteries, with external pressure of approximately 3.5–6 kg per side. After 15 seconds, EEG readings begin to show electrical silence; after 30–60 seconds, reversible neuronal damage begins, and after 3–4 minutes, irreversible damage sets in, especially in vulnerable areas such as the hippocampus, prefrontal cortex, and basal ganglia. If a person voluntarily induces loss of consciousness for 30 seconds, four times per week, over the course of one year, that amounts to 208 episodes annually. 208 episodes × 30 seconds = 6,240 seconds of cumulative cerebral ischemia per year, equivalent to 104 minutes, or 1 hour and 44 minutes of compromised brain oxygenation. Even if each single episode falls within the reversible range, chronic repetition produces cumulative microdamage: recurring oxidative stress, disruption of cerebral autoregulation, selective synaptic loss in cortical areas, and progressive decline in executive and memory functions. Studies on individuals exposed to chronic intermittent hypoxia (e.g., severe obstructive sleep apnea) show measurable cortical atrophy (up to 3–5% volume loss in the prefrontal cortex within 12–18 months) and reduction in working memory and processing speed. Repeating episodes of self-induced loss of consciousness, even brief ones, over months or years constitutes a form of low-intensity but cumulative cerebral ischemia with neurotoxic and degenerative effects.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I understand the things you've written down, but how is this relevant? What was your purpose in writing this down?

If a person practices passing out maybe 5 to 10 times at most, where they don't even really lose consciousness, only get to the cusp of it, I don't think that causes any brain damage. If you are trying to say that there is no possibility of brain damage from practicing, then the message doesn't come across.

If you're saying that there is a possibility of brain damage from practicing, then I don't think that's true. You can't compare practicing a few times for 5-10 seconds to doing it for over a year, several times a week, for 30 seconds each time. (By the way, there are people who practice passing out regularly for recreational purposes, and they seem to be fine.)

Or, if you're just listing interesting facts, then I don't see the point. Saying things like this, in the way you said it, just creates unnecessary confusion.

 

[TheVanishingPoint]

Thank you for this very informative post. It's very reassuring that no matter what in max 13 seconds you won't be conscious according to science.
I just want to reiterate one missing point: all of this is true under the assumption that you are using a constricting knot, right?
I'm especially thinking to some of the videos posted by Evelyn where you could see people actively trying to save themselves for more than a minute (this is the thread with links: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...self-aka-most-common-hanging-mistakes.174897/).

In other words, with full suspension the ONLY way you could keep being aware after the first few seconds is because of a wrong knot. And this is based on scientific evidence. Do I understand correctly?

What causes loss of consciousness in full suspension is solely the traction exerted by body weight. The type of knot doesn't matter, the structure of the noose doesn't matter, the material doesn't matter: if the body hangs and the full weight pulls on the neck, the pressure is enough to cut off cerebral blood flow and lead to unconsciousness within 6 to 13 seconds. Any theory that assigns importance to the knot is a distortion. The movements seen in videos do not indicate consciousness, they are spinal or automatic reflexes. Anyone claiming otherwise is misinterpreting what they see, with no physiological basis. The truth is simple, it's the weight that kills, not the knot.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

You're right. Biomechanically it's lateral pressure that occludes the carotids, but it's caused by the vertical force of body weight through the rope. Saying "3.5–6 kg per side" is a simplified way of stating that this is the amount of force needed to generate the necessary pressure, without diving into surface area calculations. The body's downward force becomes a compressive force on the neck, squeezing the carotids between the rope and the spine. No special knot is required; it's the weight that tightens the rope in the right place.

So this figures are the rope force which is equal to the body weight if you hang full and there is no friction in the knot? With other words, your body weight has to be only 6 kg to occlude both carotids?
I cannot imagine, that the diameter of the rope has no effect.

 

[TheVanishingPoint]

TL;DR it works.



I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I understand the things you've written down, but how is this relevant? What was your purpose in writing this down?

If a person practices passing out maybe 5 to 10 times at most, where they don't even really lose consciousness, only get to the cusp of it, I don't think that causes any brain damage. If you are trying to say that there is no possibility of brain damage from practicing, then the message doesn't come across.

If you're saying that there is a possibility of brain damage from practicing, then I don't think that's true. You can't compare practicing a few times for 5-10 seconds to doing it for over a year, several times a week, for 30 seconds each time. (By the way, there are people who practice passing out regularly for recreational purposes, and they seem to be fine.)

Or, if you're just listing interesting facts, then I don't see the point. Saying things like this, in the way you said it, just creates unnecessary confusion.

You have completely misunderstood the point of my comment. I never said that losing consciousness for a few seconds, a handful of times in life, causes certain brain damage. What I wrote concerns the chronic repetition of even brief episodes of cerebral ischemia, a different and more insidious situation, which scientific literature, including clinical contexts like sleep apnea, links to cumulative microdamage: measurable atrophy of the prefrontal cortex, reduction in working memory and processing speed, and decline in executive functions. This is not my opinion; it is what studies report. The point was to warn against thinking that just because someone plays around with fainting and "seems fine," there are no risks. The fact that someone does not immediately perceive damage does not mean it is not there. Many neurodegenerative conditions begin with slow, imperceptible processes. Saying "I don't see the point" in presenting scientifically documented facts just because they don't match one's subjective experience is not a valid criterion. The purpose was purely informative: to clarify that loss of consciousness, even if reversible, still means a temporary interruption of brain oxygenation, and that chronic, not occasional, repetition of these interruptions can leave measurable traces in the brain. If this challenges someone's personal beliefs, that's another matter.

 

[AreWeWinning]

You have completely misunderstood the point of my comment. I never said that losing consciousness for a few seconds, a handful of times in life, causes certain brain damage. What I wrote concerns the chronic repetition of even brief episodes of cerebral ischemia, a different and more insidious situation, which scientific literature, including clinical contexts like sleep apnea, links to cumulative microdamage: measurable atrophy of the prefrontal cortex, reduction in working memory and processing speed, and decline in executive functions. This is not my opinion; it is what studies report. The point was to warn against thinking that just because someone plays around with fainting and "seems fine," there are no risks. The fact that someone does not immediately perceive damage does not mean it is not there. Many neurodegenerative conditions begin with slow, imperceptible processes. Saying "I don't see the point" in presenting scientifically documented facts just because they don't match one's subjective experience is not a valid criterion. The purpose was purely informative: to clarify that loss of consciousness, even if reversible, still means a temporary interruption of brain oxygenation, and that chronic, not occasional, repetition of these interruptions can leave measurable traces in the brain. If this challenges someone's personal beliefs, that's another matter.

It's not about my personal beliefs. It's about presenting facts in a misleading way and about fearmongering. You "never said that losing consciousness for a few seconds, a handful of times in life, causes certain brain damage." So, I still don't understand the point in presenting facts in the way you did.

You're accusing me of not being objective. However, objectively speaking, practicing hanging does NOT qualify as "chronic, not occasional, repetition", which are the primary prerequisite of the risks you're referring to!

You're talking about risks that are irrelevant and that don't apply here. Without clarifying this, the average reader might think that practicing on a few occasions is a highly risky endeavour – which is not true.

I understand that your intention wasn't to create confusion. Still, I think it's worth making things a bit clearer.

 

[Renato]

What causes loss of consciousness in full suspension is solely the traction exerted by body weight. The type of knot doesn't matter, the structure of the noose doesn't matter, the material doesn't matter: if the body hangs and the full weight pulls on the neck, the pressure is enough to cut off cerebral blood flow and lead to unconsciousness within 6 to 13 seconds. Any theory that assigns importance to the knot is a distortion. The movements seen in videos do not indicate consciousness, they are spinal or automatic reflexes. Anyone claiming otherwise is misinterpreting what they see, with no physiological basis. The truth is simple, it's the weight that kills, not the knot.

I know that the movements during hanging are not voluntary because they happen after loss of consciousness, so I am not worried about them.

I was thinking specifically to a video in the linked thread but unfortunately that specific video is not available anymore. Anyway I remember it vividly and I'll try to describe it (maybe you or other users saw it too):
there is this girl (I think she is brazilian) and she uses this hangman knot with a very large loop. When she hangs the knot doesn't touch her neck but stays clearly above and behind her head. Her head and neck push down (of course) towards the part of the loop in contact with the front of her neck. In the video she is clearly aware because she tries to free herself in a meaningful way and cries for help. In the end her family rescues her, after more than a minute and she is still clearly aware.

I guess you can explain that video only with the choice of knot. What's your opinion about?

I'm asking because I sincerely want to know other people's opinions, not trying to disprove what you are saying or anything like that.

 

[JesiBel]

The position and type of knot is important..

You need enough compression and the rope to penetrate your neck well to block the carotid arteries.

The most exposed, accessible and soft area is under the jaw. You will even be able to feel their strong pulse.

'How to locate the carotid arteries?'

How to locate the carotid arteries ?

It seems to be said that I should be able to feel a pulse where they are but I can't feel anything . Any tips ?

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A knot that tightens itself is ideal. Your full weight hanging vertically will cause it to close and the rope to penetrate deeply. Without leaving any space between the ligature and your neck.

The corpses of hanged people have a V mark starting from the front of the neck (leaving the knot at the back of the neck, in the center)

 

[AreWeWinning]

I know that the movements during hanging are not voluntary because they happen after loss of consciousness, so I am not worried about them.

I was thinking specifically to a video in the linked thread but unfortunately that specific video is not available anymore. Anyway I remember it vividly and I'll try to describe it (maybe you or other users saw it too):
there is this girl (I think she is brazilian) and she uses this hangman knot with a very large loop. When she hangs the knot doesn't touch her neck but stays clearly above and behind her head. Her head and neck push down (of course) towards the part of the loop in contact with the front of her neck. In the video she is clearly aware because she tries to free herself in a meaningful way and cries for help. In the end her family rescues her, after more than a minute and she is still clearly aware.

I guess you can explain that video only with the choice of knot. What's your opinion about?

I'm asking because I sincerely want to know other people's opinions, not trying to disprove what you are saying or anything like that.

I think I know that video (see attached file). Is that the one?

She put her hand in the noose (or loop, since it wasn't really a noose). Basically, she grabbed the loop from the inside and was clinging to the rope with her hand — there wasn't much pressure on her neck. The knot wasn't the right one either, but it didn't really matter in this case. Had she not grabbed the loop, it probably would have been a different outcome.

 

[Foxcompany2nd3rd]

I think Ive been doing it wrong, so a slipnot is better than a hangmans knot? Ive been trying a hangmans knot.

 

[Renato]

I think I know that video (see attached file). Is that the one?

She put her hand in the noose (or loop, since it wasn't really a noose). Basically, she grabbed the loop from the inside and was clinging to the rope with her hand — there wasn't much pressure on her neck. The knot wasn't the right one either, but it didn't really matter in this case. Had she not grabbed the loop, it probably would have been a different outcome.

Thank you, that is the video I was talking about!
Honestly I don't know if played a bigger role her hand or the wrong knot. In my experience, when practicing with knots a tight loop (with slip knot) around my neck made it almost impossible to put my fingers between the rope and the skin. So I would still say that her attempt failed because of a poor choice of the knot.

Anyway my point was that even if your full weight pushes you down, if you really mess with the knot you can still fail to loose consciousness. On the other hand if you use one of the right knots you should easily pass in few seconds as previously said.

 

[Foxcompany2nd3rd]

I disagree with this method, as it causes a painful air choke instead of a blood choke; you'll suffer a lot of pain while CTB. Best position for the knot is on the side of the jaw or side of neck. This way the weight is distributed away from the adams apple, which when crushed causes a very painful air choke that can last for minutes.

Afaik, as long as the knot is centered behind your neck, it's all good

 

[JesiBel]

I think Ive been doing it wrong, so a slipnot is better than a hangmans knot? Ive been trying a hangmans knot.

Noose knot with stopper knot



(slides easily and tighten itself under weight)

 

[Worndown]

Start with the rope high, nested under the jaw, rope toward the back.
The rope will end up there anyway. That upward migration will hurt. Start there to avoid this.

Practice with more pressure. I did that and damn...it hits fast. Good luck.

 

[JesiBel]

I disagree with this method, as it causes a painful air choke instead of a blood choke; you'll suffer a lot of pain while CTB. Best position for the knot is on the side of the jaw or side of neck. This way the weight is distributed away from the adams apple, which when crushed causes a very painful air choke that can last for minutes.

Once the knot starts to close itself and the ligature compressing your neck due to your full weight, there will be no way to prevent certain areas of your neck from being compressed. Carotids, jugular veins, trachea, everything will be blocked.

The knot on one side is a mistake, we have the carotids on both sides of the neck and both must be compressed correctly.

Hanging involves blocking the flow of oxygenated blood to the brain. It has nothing to do with asphyxiation or "air choking". Proper blockage of these arteries leads to unconsciousness within a few seconds, and you won't feel anything else.

 

[Foxcompany2nd3rd]

Once the knot starts to close itself and the ligature compressing your neck due to your full weight, there will be no way to prevent certain areas of your neck from being compressed. Carotids, jugular veins, trachea, everything will be blocked.

The knot on one side is a mistake, we have the carotids on both sides of the neck and both must be compressed correctly.

Hanging involves blocking the flow of oxygenated blood to the brain. It has nothing to do with asphyxiation or "air choking". Proper blockage of these arteries leads to unconsciousness within a few seconds, and you won't feel anything else.

I have a very large and masculine adams apple, from my experience the knot at the back of the neck is extremely painful is it crushes my adams apple first before it crushes my carotids. I find it more comfortable on the side, guess its very much personal preference then. I guess its tailored to each person.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I know that the movements during hanging are not voluntary because they happen after loss of consciousness, so I am not worried about them.

I was thinking specifically to a video in the linked thread but unfortunately that specific video is not available anymore. Anyway I remember it vividly and I'll try to describe it (maybe you or other users saw it too):
there is this girl (I think she is brazilian) and she uses this hangman knot with a very large loop. When she hangs the knot doesn't touch her neck but stays clearly above and behind her head. Her head and neck push down (of course) towards the part of the loop in contact with the front of her neck. In the video she is clearly aware because she tries to free herself in a meaningful way and cries for help. In the end her family rescues her, after more than a minute and she is still clearly aware.

I guess you can explain that video only with the choice of knot. What's your opinion about?

I'm asking because I sincerely want to know other people's opinions, not trying to disprove what you are saying or anything like that.

The girl in the video graps the rope with both hands and takes her weight with her hands and not with her neck.

Thank you, that is the video I was talking about!
Honestly I don't know if played a bigger role her hand or the wrong knot. In my experience, when practicing with knots a tight loop (with slip knot) around my neck made it almost impossible to put my fingers between the rope and the skin. So I would still say that her attempt failed because of a poor choice of the knot.

Anyway my point was that even if your full weight pushes you down, if you really mess with the knot you can still fail to loose consciousness. On the other hand if you use one of the right knots you should easily pass in few seconds as previously said.

If she would not have taken her weight with her hands she would have passed out as quick as with a constricting loope and died. The fixed loop that she used, reduces the pressure on her neck a little but it is still much more than needed to flatten her carotids.