Method Amitriptyline cocktail failure

[thedarkdog]

Hello,
I want to share my experience with this method and provide information for anyone considering it. Two years ago in October 2023 I attempted to ctb via this method. I used the "improved" version of the cocktail as detailed here: https://archive.ph/c3oxt (I hope the link is ok, I saw nothing in the rules against it) except for the Midazolam. Despite weighing way less than 100kg I used a whole 10g instead of just 7g. I followed the Anti-emetic regimen beforehand, using MCP, and I used the recommended enzyme blocker Cimetidine to enhance the effects of the Amitriptyline. As the Amitriptyline is way to bitter to be swallowed in such amounts in powderized form with water even with anti-emetics (I did a test with just 500mg and barely could keep it down despite the anti-emetics), I followed the advice and repackaged it in capsules. I made sure to have the normal capsules, not the stomach acid resistant ones.
I was found and "rescued" only 4 days later, so long after the estimated time to die of 12-24 hours.

I was prescribed and took 100mg a day for years beforehand but I don't understand how that could have built a tolerance to 100 times the amount. I made the mistake of powderizing and liquidizing the Diazepam and I wanted to further enhance the potency of the cocktail with some vodka. The Diazepam worked way quicker than I anticipated and I did not make it to bed as intended but instead spent 4 days lying on the floor. Luckily I only suffered some pressure injuries to my chest and left side of my face that healed nicely just leaving some scaring that I don't mind. I was also told that I had mild acute kidney failure due to the lack of fluids that resolved itself. I suffered no ill effects from the cocktail itself so at least the failure didn't leave me even worse of as some methods can do when they fail.

 

[quietwoods]

Thanks for the info.

Some notes:
- The estimated time to death is 12-48hrs. Amit can take quite a while to kill if not paired with other cardiac drugs. The younger and healthier you are, typically the longer it takes.
- It really sounds like you built up a tolerance. 100mg isn't a crazy amount but also is not a small amount to take daily, especially for years. It 100% makes sense that this could be the reason it did not kill you even after 4 days. May of come close, but your body was so used to the drug that what should of been a lethal overdose ended up just being a near-lethal one.
- The capsules could of contributed. Capsules don't always digest/break down as fast as each other. May of created a slower release where your body was only hit with smaller amounts of amit at a time, instead of all of it, all at once. Conjecture but a possibility.

 

[thedarkdog]

Thanks for your answer.
Maybe you're right but I still can't see the tolerance. Imagine just having one beer (0,5l/5%ABV) a night for 10 years and then suddenly drinking 10 bottles of vodka (0,7l/37,5%ABV) that's roughly 100 times the alcohol. You'd die of alcohol poisoning for sure.

As for the capsules: I agree that powderizing and liquidizing it would have been better but I like I said that seemed impossible to do so capsules were the second best option. Just taking the tablets as they are would have resulted in them clumping up together and failing for sure and the capsules were to avoid this happening.

 

[cowboypants]

Many have failed sn method too in a similar way. Capsules make them work more slow or not as "expected"

 

[celtistan]

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Hello,
I want to share my experience with this method and provide information for anyone considering it. Two years ago in October 2023 I attempted to ctb via this method. I used the "improved" version of the cocktail as detailed here: https://archive.ph/c3oxt (I hope the link is ok, I saw nothing in the rules against it) except for the Midazolam. Despite weighing way less than 100kg I used a whole 10g instead of just 7g. I followed the Anti-emetic regimen beforehand, using MCP, and I used the recommended enzyme blocker Cimetidine to enhance the effects of the Amitriptyline. As the Amitriptyline is way to bitter to be swallowed in such amounts in powderized form with water even with anti-emetics (I did a test with just 500mg and barely could keep it down despite the anti-emetics), I followed the advice and repackaged it in capsules. I made sure to have the normal capsules, not the stomach acid resistant ones.
I was found and "rescued" only 4 days later, so long after the estimated time to die of 12-24 hours.

It seems that peaceful pills are not as reliable as they are advertised to be or that there are a lot more significant variables, i too followed the exact book steps for chloroquine method but it somehow failed for no clear reason:

A week ago

At 5 PM, i took:

- 20 mg metoclopramid
- 8 mg ondasetron

Around 6 PM, I took:

- 50 x 250 mg chloroquine
- 40 x 3 mg eszopiclone (equivalent of ≈ 300 mg zopiclone).

I dont have memory of what happened afterward until waking up at the ICU. But apparently as i was told i phoned my parent at 11 PM semi-consciously, and was admitted to the ICU by 12 PM, where they gave me activated charcoal and other treatments.

I have no idea how did i manage to survive for nearly 6 hours post-ingestion until i even started regaining consciousness, it is documented in literature to be fatal within 1-3 hours and is considered reliable by all renowned books. And no i didnt vomit.

Anyway, even though i have no memory of anything until waking up at ICU, it wasnt an experience that i would consider even getting close to anytime in the future. I spent 3 days at the ICU and was released the fourth day, the worst things that happened to me was hypotension, low blood pressure, low blood oxygen level (87%), and aspiration (likely from the charcoal).

I give up suicide.

 

[thedarkdog]

It seems that peaceful pills are not as reliable as they are advertised to be or that there are a lot more significant variables, i too followed the exact book steps for chloroquine method but it somehow failed for no clear reason:

Yeah they seem to assume one is elderly and has a weak heart. Did you crush your tablets?

 

[quietwoods]

Thanks for your answer.
Maybe you're right but I still can't see the tolerance. Imagine just having one beer (0,5l/5%ABV) a night for 10 years and then suddenly drinking 10 bottles of vodka (0,7l/37,5%ABV) that's roughly 100 times the alcohol. You'd die of alcohol poisoning for sure.

As for the capsules: I agree that powderizing and liquidizing it would have been better but I like I said that seemed impossible to do so capsules were the second best option. Just taking the tablets as they are would have resulted in them clumping up together and failing for sure and the capsules were to avoid this happening.

You'd be surprised what alcohol consumption people have survived, even those with low tolerance. Have a friend who just got out of med school and another friend in law enforcement and they've both seen people with BAC's above 0.4% who are completely lucid and barely affected, and these people are also not heavy drinkers. 0.4% is what most people would be comatose and on life support at.

For you it could be anything from tolerance to genetic factors to just being younger, or your more complicated setup. Idk. We'd need more data. And it sounds like you have a reliable source but counterfeit drugs are a very common problem people tend to gloss over. It's what I suspect celtistan's problem is because they took more than the lethal dose yet did not vomit and still did not CTB.

The drug cocktails are the only ones we really have data for/are known to be extremely reliable:


D is Digoxin, D- is Digoxin 30 minutes prior to other drugs, second D is Diazepam, M is Morphine, P is Propranolol, A is Amit

800mg Digoxin, (Either 1g Diazepam, 100mg Clonazepam, 600mg Oxazepam) 15g Morphine, 2g Propranolol, 8g Amit

The above table is time to death. Honestly, from the other data in this section, the Morphine really isn't needed and doesn't affect TTD as much as the cardiac drugs.

But you can see that combining Amit and Digoxin together along with CNS like Diazepam and Morphine reliably kills within 2 hours and at most approaching 5.

Amit and Digoxin form a much more powerful Cardiac Switch than just Amit alone.

My backup method is benzos + Amit and Digoxin.

I personally would not use Amit without combining it with Digoxin or Propranolol (not advice, my personal belief).

 

[thedarkdog]

You'd be surprised what alcohol consumption people have survived, even those with low tolerance. Have a friend who just got out of med school and another friend in law enforcement and they've both seen people with BAC's above 0.4% who are completely lucid and barely affected, and these people are also not heavy drinkers. 0.4% is what most people would be comatose and on life support at.

For you it could be anything from tolerance to genetic factors to just being younger, or your more complicated setup. Idk. We'd need more data. And it sounds like you have a reliable source but counterfeit drugs are a very common problem people tend to gloss over.

All but the Diazepam (which was from the darknet, however given my extremely quick (too quick...) unconciousness I'd say that was real too) were prescription and were definitely real.

The drug cocktails are the only ones we really have data for/are known to be extremely reliable:
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D is Digoxin, D- is Digoxin 30 minutes prior to other drugs, second D is Diazepam, M is Morphine, P is Propranolol, A is Amit

800mg Digoxin, (Either 1g Diazepam, 100mg Clonazepam, 600mg Oxazepam) 15g Morphine, 2g Propranolol, 8g Amit

The above table is time to death. Honestly, from the other data in this section, the Morphine really isn't needed and doesn't affect TTD as much as the cardiac drugs.

But you can see that combining Amit and Digoxin together along with CNS like Diazepam and Morphine reliably kills within 2 hours and at most approaching 5.

Amit and Digoxin form a much more powerful Cardiac Switch than just Amit alone.

My backup method is benzos + Amit and Digoxin.

I personally would not use Amit without combining it with Digoxin or Propranolol (not advice, my personal belief).

I hope for you you are correct. The combination definitely sounds more powerful. Now I can't get Amit anymore as I'm obviously not prescribed it anymore, let alone Digoxin. And that's A LOT more Diazepam in your cocktail.

 

[quietwoods]

All but the Diazepam (which was from the darknet, however given my extremely quick (too quick...) unconciousness I'd say that was real too) were prescription and were definitely real.



I hope for you you are correct. The combination definitely sounds more powerful. Now I can't get Amit anymore as I'm obviously not prescribed it anymore, let alone Digoxin. And that's A LOT more Diazepam in your cocktail.

Not insinuating yours were counterfeit, but others. You mentioned you had a prescription (unless you are in a 3rd world country with sketchy pharmacies).

Those are the recommended benzos from the PPH. In other sections they state a minimum as '10 pills of whatever you have' or something like that. But recommended is better, as more benzos equals more CNS depression.

And there are ways to acquire Amit and Digoxin without a prescription reliably. Due to you your recent attempt, I would not be comfortable directly giving you pointers, but enough research on this site can lead you to reliable non-darknet sources. These sites will not ship things like benzos or morphine though, for hopefully obvious reasons.

 

[Manfrotto99]

You'd be surprised what alcohol consumption people have survived, even those with low tolerance. Have a friend who just got out of med school and another friend in law enforcement and they've both seen people with BAC's above 0.4% who are completely lucid and barely affected, and these people are also not heavy drinkers. 0.4% is what most people would be comatose and on life support at.

For you it could be anything from tolerance to genetic factors to just being younger, or your more complicated setup. Idk. We'd need more data. And it sounds like you have a reliable source but counterfeit drugs are a very common problem people tend to gloss over. It's what I suspect celtistan's problem is because they took more than the lethal dose yet did not vomit and still did not CTB.

The drug cocktails are the only ones we really have data for/are known to be extremely reliable:
View attachment 177250

D is Digoxin, D- is Digoxin 30 minutes prior to other drugs, second D is Diazepam, M is Morphine, P is Propranolol, A is Amit

800mg Digoxin, (Either 1g Diazepam, 100mg Clonazepam, 600mg Oxazepam) 15g Morphine, 2g Propranolol, 8g Amit

The above table is time to death. Honestly, from the other data in this section, the Morphine really isn't needed and doesn't affect TTD as much as the cardiac drugs.

But you can see that combining Amit and Digoxin together along with CNS like Diazepam and Morphine reliably kills within 2 hours and at most approaching 5.

Amit and Digoxin form a much more powerful Cardiac Switch than just Amit alone.

My backup method is benzos + Amit and Digoxin.

I personally would not use Amit without combining it with Digoxin or Propranolol (not advice, my personal belief).

I imagine Digoxin would be very difficult to get unfortunately.

 

[quietwoods]

I imagine Digoxin would be very difficult to get unfortunately.

Check my above post.

 

[thedarkdog]

And there are ways to acquire Amit and Digoxin without a prescription reliably. Due to you your recent attempt, I would not be comfortable directly giving you pointers, but enough research on this site can lead you to reliable non-darknet sources. These sites will not ship things like benzos or morphine though, for hopefully obvious reasons.

Well that's a massive tease. 2 years ago is not exactly recent. Is it even relevant to me if I'm in Europe and not the US?