Alright time for a little pro life thread

[bigj75]

I dunno. I could quite happily live on coke, but I can't afford it. But the fact that I only feel alive when on stimulants makes me feel suicidal.

The thing is it will kill you and cause a bunch of other problems. but i see what you meant.

Although the op comes across in the op a little naïve I'm certainly not going to attack them. I've been suicidal on and off since I was around 15 I've tried all of these things and more. I'm giving life a chance for reasons one more time but I'm fully prepared to CTB if I feel things aren't getting better. I do appreciate the meaning behind the thread op this didn't deserve to get so derailed.

well yae im sure there are plenty of people who have tried this stuff and no success. it won't work for everyone like i said. I'm in the same boat. gonna try to live as long and happily as i can. if it doesn't work out then I'll ctb.

 

[I’vehadenough]

Im pro choice. choose what i want it's your body. but what im going to share with you is pro life ways that can help diminish depression and suicide. now I'm not saying it will save all of you of course. that's unrealistic given how the way the world is right now. but ive tried these methods and they work in my life and I've seen it work in others.

Natural methods of life improvement

• healthy eating
• social skills
• excersize
• hobby/skills you have a passion for

Unnatural methods of life improvement (this is the dark art stuff but believe me ive tested it and it's worth it if it can give you a second chance at life) (yes there are side effects but you can keep them undercontrol of you do it right)

• Anti depressents
• Kratom (natural but illegal in some states)
• Steroids (Dbol specifically)

All these methods have beaten or atleast kept depression at bay for me and other people's lives. Give it a try before ctb'ing. There are methods to help. Unless you've tried all these methods you have not given 100% effort in the fight.

Feel free to ask me any questions regarding this thread. I'm here to help.

none of these will work for me. i'm suicidal because a doctor disfigured my face and made me undateable and horribly ugly. before that, i was a body builder who had great social skills and diet. all i want now is out

 

[riverstyx]

Healthy living doesn't help when you have terminal cancer.

 

[JoeFailure]

I exercise.
Have an okay job.
Socialize due to said job.
Have been on antidepressants...
Yet here I am, 11pm. I want to fucking kill myself. I've tried your fantastic suggestions. So now do I have permission to ctb? When does it stop? Will the list of things delaying it never end? When I've got a wife, am making six figures and STILL want to fucking die ...will I need TWO wives- do I need to make BILLIONS?

The goal posts will never stop moving in a 'pro life' scenario. Death is inevitable, let it come sooner for those of us who aren't overtly fond of the whole life thing.

I am sorry to hear that. I'd do anything to be making six figures but I understand you have other things going on.

I'm hoping something happens that helps that feeling go away. I wish nobody had to deal with it.

 

[bigj75]

none of these will work for me. i'm suicidal because a doctor disfigured my face and made me undateable and horribly ugly. before that, i was a body builder who had great social skills and diet. all i want now is out

sorry to hear that. this is why i said it won't work for everyone.

Healthy living doesn't help when you have terminal cancer.

true. sorry to hear that.

 

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

I am sorry to hear that. I'd do anything to be making six figures but I understand you have other things going on.

I can promise you that making six figures won't change a thing. You'll just have new six figure problems. There are people here who have made/are making deep six figure salaries. And at least one who is / was a millionaire according to the person's posts.

There is a study that says after about $65k that happiness does not really increase. (I'm sure it increases a little every yr to keep up with the standard of living.)

 

[color_me_gone]

a doctor disfigured my face and made me undateable

This should be able to be repaired medically, Why ctb?

 

[JoeFailure]

I can promise you that making six figures won't change a thing. You'll just have new six figure problems. There are people here who have made/are making deep six figure salaries. And at least one who is / was a millionaire according to the person's posts.

There is a study that says after about $65k that happiness does not really increase. (I'm sure it increases a little every yr to keep up with the standard of living.)

I'd even love 65k. But I disagree with that, it's all about how you use it. I don't need fancy things or vacations, I just want a little financial security and a decent job and some relief after I get home. Literally if I could build a life like that with someone and have a dog and do simple things like sports or go to the beach or nature related things and volunteer I'd be the happiest guy on earth.

People who have good jobs probably don't like hearing it, but they have no idea how good they have it. My ADHD makes it so hard to focus on anything to get things done efficiently or learn.

But I guess it's all perspective.

 

[bigj75]

This should be able to be repaired medically, Why ctb?

That's not how it works. if he has some serious disfigurement no amount of surgery can fix that.

 

[cornflowerblue]

People who have good jobs probably don't like hearing it, but they have no idea how good they have it. My ADHD makes it so hard to focus on anything to get things done efficiently or learn.

But I guess it's all perspective.

It is, because this argument could go infinitely. You have it better than most of the world just by the fact that you're even able to be online, but that doesn't make your problems any less painful or life-ruining. Same goes for people with better jobs as compared to you. All that really matters is how our brain interprets a situation, other people being better or worse off won't change our own subjective misery. Some of my happiest times were when my life was shittiest on the outside.

 

[bigj75]

It is, because this argument could go infinitely. You have it better than most of the world just by the fact that you're even able to be online, but that doesn't make your problems any less painful or life-ruining. Same goes for people with better jobs as compared to you. All that really matters is how our brain interprets a situation, other people being better or worse off won't change our own subjective misery. Some of my happiest times were when my life was shittiest on the outside.

You hit the nail on the head. i was homeless on the street one year and had more will to live then than i do now and i have 2 jobs and living in a house right now. each person's situation is different. what brings them happiness is different than others because of that persons genetics and the environment they grew up in. we can't compare how happy someone should or shouldn't be based on the amount of money they have. that's why plenty rich people off themselves.

now i will say going from poverty to having some money is humbling but its not exactly what will make someone happy.

 

[Mljonzy]

I think your lost.

 

[I’vehadenough]

This should be able to be repaired medically, Why ctb?

It cant be repaired. My facial tissue has decayed from the inside, I look freakish

Healthy living doesn't help when you have terminal cancer.

If you have terminal cancer, cant you get assisted suicide?

 

[oopswronglife]

In my opinion once people get into this state they often become just as obstinate and irrational as "pro-life" preachers. Suicide is not normal and acting like everyone should just accept it and join around us singing and holding hands while we off ourselves without argument etc is ridiculous.

Suicide is an extreme act. It's ending one's existence. That doesn't mean it cannot be rational or it's somehow objectively "wrong" but it gets old seeing people on both sides declare their extremism as "correct". If you want to be dead then be dead. If you want to live then live. Most of us are stuck in the middle because if we are honest we want to live, but can't find a sustainable way. That creates emotional tension and that gets spit onto others.

We should all offer support, as we can, and alternatives, because people might not have considered them or have access to them. That isn't "wrong" despite how it triggers anyone's emotion. If you are throwing a fit at anyone who says "hey this helped me" or "maybe try this first?" then you are not being reasonable. I know it's disappointing to have that come at you rather than a clear and final way out of this mess...but it doesn't mean attacking those people is any more correct. The problem is when people won't stop beating you over the head with the same advice and fallacies. They won't believe you have done those things over and over and offer anything useful instead. That often results in THEM attacking because they are afraid or feel lost. It's often a lose lose thing.

 

[LittleJem]

does it help at all with anxiety?

You can try it - Kratom for anxiety. You'll find some good testimonials online. Also Kava. Phenibut. Weed. CBD. Don't try them all at once, check your contraindications and some are addictive so they need to be cycled. Or microdose LSD/magic mushrooms.

All of the above help some people. Weed and LSD were the only things that helped me, and we've fallen out lately! Trying a new med which has helped anxiety but not depression so far
PS: I am getting to the tried everything, nothing is working point. Pretty done. Just need to get my hands on some Fentanyl/Heroin - just don't have any contacts yet
PS: I am getting to the tried everything, nothing is working point. Pretty done. Just need to get my hands on some Fentanyl/Heroin - just don't have any contacts yet

 

[1964dodge]

Trying to get better is still "pro choice", choice implies multiple options

I hardly come here because I mostly go to a pro life site. every so often I just want to give up. I don't need to shoot myself or drink poison I just have to stop doing certain things and my meds and i'll be dead In a couple of days. I keep trying that's why im still here. but i'm glad to be pro choice. I think everyone should do their best and suicide should be a choice, but the last choice after everything else is tried

 

[dandan]

.... Suicide is not normal and acting like everyone should just accept it and join around us singing and holding hands while we off ourselves without argument etc is ridiculous.

in my opinion, its like debating over religion or politics, its never ending....

 

[bigj75]

I went for a run, ate a salad, talked about my problems and now I'm cured. Thanks!

stop. we know damn well it wont work for everyone. I'm just saying some of these things work for some people. just because they don't work for you doesnt mean you have to make fun of them.

 

[Faraway1990]

Balanced as all things should be.

 

[1964dodge]

stop. we know damn well it wont work for everyone. I'm just saying some of these things work for some people. just because they don't work for you doesnt mean you have to make fun of them.

I agree that everyone should try to get better and do everything possible before suicide. I don't think that this is a pro - suicide site I think it's a pro - choice site. living is a choice just as suicide is. and I think that it's ok to give suggestions on living as well as dying. as long as someone isn't judgemental or pushy in either case I think it's fine. I think what you're saying is proper and appropiate

 

[daikon]

I'll reiterate my personal stance in response - why is there the implicit assumption that we need to 'try everything else' before we CTB?

I don't understand why there seems to be this need to make suicide seem justified by experience. If you don't want to try to get better even if you've only tried 5% of all possible options, how does that make your decision invalid? For instance, I've been to a couple of therapy sessions with the university's consulting therapist, and found him to be useless. I have looked at the cost of therapy in my country, and concluded that it's too expensive for me, considering that I've now gotten myself into a position where I cannot get a good job. Thus, I have concluded that I will not be able to lead a decent life comparable to the people around me, and thus I've decided that I would like to CTB. I don't see why suicide needs to be treated like a 'last resort' option - it seems perfectly rational to treat it like any other choice in our lives.

TL;DR I don't see why we need to wait for things to get impossibly bad to CTB. I know my life is headed for the dumps, I would like to end it before it gets there. Yes, I do have a pretty decent life now in terms of amenities available to me, but I don't see why I should have to avoid CTBing because of that.

Also, note that the example is just that - an example. I hope that the central abstract point remains clear.

I'm not pro-life, but I guess my thinking for waiting until things get unbearably bad is that if my attempt goes awry it could fuck things up even more. Like that girl that got into a fight with her boyfriend and blew her face off — admittedly it wasn't planned, but if I'm going to fuck myself over I don't want to go from being depressed to miserably depressed and also missing half my jaw. I want to use SN so the physical side isn't so much a problem as the social repercussions, but still, mental hospitals suck, and I wouldn't not going to risk hospitalization again if there were other options. Still, that's one reason why I encourage people to try everything before taking their own life.

 

[RM5998]

I'm not pro-life, but I guess my thinking for waiting until things get unbearably bad is that if my attempt goes awry it could fuck things up even more. Like that girl that got into a fight with her boyfriend and blew her face off — admittedly it wasn't planned, but if I'm going to fuck myself over I don't want to go from being depressed to miserably depressed and also missing half my jaw. I want to use SN so the physical side isn't so much a problem as the social repercussions, but still, mental hospitals suck, and I wouldn't not going to risk hospitalization again if there were other options. Still, that's one reason why I encourage people to try everything before taking their own life.

Wat does trying everything have to do with poorly thought-out attempts?

 

[daikon]

Wat does trying everything have to do with poorly thought-out attempts?

The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry. You can plan all you want but still fuck up and ruin your life even more.

 

[RM5998]

The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry. You can plan all you want but still fuck up and ruin your life even more.

Forgive me, but I still don't understand what that has to do with trying out all other options. Said options can also ruin your life in the same way, right? Yes, it does make suicide a worse option among all those that are available, but surely not the last choice?
I don't understand why the risk of incarceration due to failure means that other options are better. Admittedly, I do not have much personal experience of these options, but that still doesn't answer why an external assessment of options available isn't the better route.
I repeat, my point was from a position of abstract reason. I'm willing to admit that the decision to CTB is influenced by lot more than reason, but I don't see how that justifies the arguments for leaving suicide as a last resort.