Alright time for a little pro life thread

[Only Me Here]

This thread has completely disintegrated into complete and utter nonsense.

So many seem to be here to fight with everyone. Too many critics and experts.

What gets me the most is the newer members admonishing people who have been here longer or are more active. Show some respect instead of barrelling in guns blazing.

Pro choice means all views and SUPPORT for those various views. .look around look how many death threads there are, don't like this one keep going. 2 seconds to click into another thread, 5 minutes to make the OP feel like crap...someone who has been here a while, i'm sure they know how this place works by now.

To the comment this post makes this place look bad, it's quite the opposite, it shows that this place is for everyone on this journey...wherever you may be, it is in support of options whether applicable to you personally or not. Your bigger problem is people openly posting sources to materials.

Someone suggested an etiquette policy...you can't hand people manners...every thread goodbye or not gets hijacked by someone on their soapbox, arguing why they are personally right above all else.

Being depressed/suicidal is no reason to treat others like crap.

This comes from someone who has N and this post doesn't apply to but doesn't feel the need to be nasty to the OP because it doesn't. guess what this place doesn't revolve around me or you.

This is keeping people with knowledge and value from posting so as to not get involved in these threads, if you want to hear from them knock it off. Go visit older threads they have so much tangible information in them, some of them are still here but do not post anymore.

I used to respond to N/meto threads because I've gone through the whole process and had some answers. You do yourself a disservice by not treating this place or the people in it with respect.

 

[bigj75]

This thread has completely disintegrated into complete and utter nonsense.

So many seem to be here to fight with everyone. Too many critics and experts.

What gets me the most is the newer members admonishing people who have been here longer or are more active. Show some respect instead of barrelling in guns blazing.

Pro choice means all views and SUPPORT for those various views. .look around look how many death threads there are, don't like this one keep going. 2 seconds to click into another thread, 5 minutes to make the OP feel like crap...someone who has been here a while, i'm sure they know how this place works by now.

To the comment this post makes this place look bad, it's quite the opposite, it shows that this place is for everyone on this journey...wherever you may be, it is in support of options whether applicable to you personally or not. Your bigger problem is people openly posting sources to materials.

Someone suggested an etiquette policy...you can't hand people manners...every thread goodbye or not gets hijacked by someone on their soapbox, arguing why they are personally right above all else.

Being depressed/suicidal is no reason to treat others like crap.

This comes from someone who has N and this post doesn't apply to but doesn't feel the need to be nasty to the OP because it doesn't. guess what this place doesn't revolve around me or you.

This is keeping people with knowledge and value from posting so as to not get involved in these threads, if you want to hear from them knock it off. Go visit older threads they have so much tangible information in them, some of them are still here but do not post anymore.

I used to respond to N/meto threads because I've gone through the whole process and had some answers. You do yourself a disservice by not treating this place or the people in it with respect.

Yae i had no idea it would turn out like this. this thread was simply to give some help before deciding to ctb. im not telling anyone not or to ctb, its their choice. All I'm saying is there are methods that diminish and keep depression/suicide stalled or beaten. it might work for some and some it won't.

 

[Empty Smile]

This thread has completely disintegrated into complete and utter nonsense.

So many seem to be here to fight with everyone. Too many critics and experts.

What gets me the most is the newer members admonishing people who have been here longer or are more active. Show some respect instead of barrelling in guns blazing.

It has become the newest version of Facebook. Same shit there... Post something, get attacked. Sadly it's happening here now.

This is why I've cut back on posting. I've had 2 battles on here, and it's not why I'm here.

This used to be my comfort zone. Now when I come in I'm wearing full body armor, carrying an Ak-47, five hand grenades, and hoping for the best.

 

[Final Escape]

I secretly admire the people who can CTB without "trying everything", calmly committed in their certainty that it will not get better, not be worth it, no thank you, may they please be excused, they have business to attend to elsewhere and they shall not be delayed, not for hope, not for you, not for anything, goodbye.
I especially envy when young beautiful people do it, only because they are rejecting so much in their own lives that other people want, like they know they are capable of achieving the so-called "best that life has to offer", but they have seen it and it does not impress them at all, may they please be excused?

I know that's an idealized way to see it and they are in as much pain as everybody else, but I am so angry at myself for being too scared to do it young, when I knew all life would ever contain for me is pain and frustration. I envy young people who don't give in to SI and cowardice like I did, they just decide they're done, and go. No lingering for the next painful incident.

So where are you today exactly? I remembered you're having a hectic few days. Has your plane landed?

I feel this way too. I could have went young and saved myself so much trauma.

 

[color_me_gone]

This used to be my comfort zone

100% agree. This site used to be friendly, not anymore.

 

[bigj75]

100% agree. This site used to be friendly, not anymore.

emotions are high. people are in desperate times of their lives. so i can't be mad they are attacking.

 

[not_a_robot]

It has become the newest version of Facebook. Same shit there... Post something, get attacked. Sadly it's happening here now.

This is why I've cut back on posting. I've had 2 battles on here, and it's not why I'm here.

This used to be my comfort zone. Now when I come in I'm wearing full body armor, carrying an Ak-47, five hand grenades, and hoping for the best.

I love you but I have zero sympathy for people who feel they are obligated to "battle" on websites, that's silly.
These are not real "attacks" they are conflicting opinions and nothing more. When you *choose* to engage in "battle* rather than disengage, that's on you, but don't pretend you are obligated to do so.
Admins were smart and kind enough to give us an Ignore button for a reason. Don't pretend you are "battle weary" just because you are obligated to fight when you are really just refusing to use the choice to disengage.
What do you care if someone disagrees with you? We are all just random nobodies on an internet forum. Disengage if someone annoys you.

It has become the newest version of Facebook. Same shit there... Post something, get attacked. Sadly it's happening here now.

This is why I've cut back on posting. I've had 2 battles on here, and it's not why I'm here.

This used to be my comfort zone. Now when I come in I'm wearing full body armor, carrying an Ak-47, five hand grenades, and hoping for the best.

I love you but I have zero sympathy for people who feel they are obligated to "battle" on websites, that's silly.
These are not real "attacks" they are conflicting opinions and nothing more. When you *choose* to engage in "battle* rather than disengage, that's on you, but don't pretend you are obligated to do so.
Admins were smart and kind enough to give is an Ignore button for a reason. Don't pretend you are "battle weary" just because you are obligated to fight when you are really just refusing to use the choice to disengage.
What do you care if someone disagrees with you? We are all just random nobodies on an internet forum. Disengage if someone annoys you.
EDIT: I give up editing this a third time it is just jumping all over the place.

 

[oldgregg187]

there's been a huge uproar with a kratom ban awhile back. I believe 5 people died of OD that year not to mention all the other drugs that where most likely in there system. It blows my mind big brother wants to criminalize every fucking thing. I wonder what amount of kratom mixed with whatever else I can find would help me ctb?

 

[Only Me Here]

It has become the newest version of Facebook. Same shit there... Post something, get attacked. Sadly it's happening here now.

This is why I've cut back on posting. I've had 2 battles on here, and it's not why I'm here.

This used to be my comfort zone. Now when I come in I'm wearing full body armor, carrying an Ak-47, five hand grenades, and hoping for the best.

I hear you, a lot have stopped commenting and moved to PM.. I did too after my last few attacks. Privately the consensus is the same.

You used to be so pleased with your eye picture freaking some of us out. Bring it back :)

I love you but I have zero sympathy for people who feel they are obligated to "battle" on websites, that's silly.
These are not real "attacks" they are conflicting opinions and nothing more. When you *choose* to engage in "battle* rather than disengage, that's on you, but don't pretend you are obligated to do so.
Admins were smart and kind enough to give us an Ignore button for a reason. Don't pretend you are "battle weary" just because you are obligated to fight when you are really just refusing to use the choice to disengage.
What do you care if someone disagrees with you? We are all just random nobodies on an internet forum. Disengage if someone annoys you.

I love you but I have zero sympathy for people who feel they are obligated to "battle" on websites, that's silly.
These are not real "attacks" they are conflicting opinions and nothing more. When you *choose* to engage in "battle* rather than disengage, that's on you, but don't pretend you are obligated to do so.
Admins were smart and kind enough to give is an Ignore button for a reason. Don't pretend you are "battle weary" just because you are obligated to fight when you are really just refusing to use the choice to disengage.
What do you care if someone disagrees with you? We are all just random nobodies on an internet forum. Disengage if someone annoys you.
EDIT: I give up editing this a third time it is just jumping all over the place.

This is what i mean about respect for people who were here before you. You attacked him just as he said this place isn't the same and all he does is get attacked. He's been here almost a year longer then you. You have zero idea what this place was like before, why i suggested older threads. This place isn't even what it was 2 months ago, some of the best people you would want to hear from have been driven away by this behaviour. Btw a conflicting opinion is not telling someone to F OFF...that was the first response out of the gate. Like i said no one can hand over manners, 5 minutes to be rude, 2 seconds to go to the next thread. You are welcome to ignore people but include THREADS in that too.

emotions are high. people are in desperate times of their lives. so i can't be mad they are attacking.

You are kind, that is obvious. You deserve kindness back because you are in that same place too. You clearly stated the topic of this thread, whomever opened it clearly knew what the subject was.

 

[Ruffian]

I deleted a post on this thread because I didn't want to engage in the debate, and I felt like maybe I should let it go. I was pretty angry when I wrote it, because somehow the subject about us being called out by the deranged mother a few months ago came up. I went on a tirade, and I just didn't want to keep up the Facebook like jaunting so I deleted it. I don't think new people understand how horrible that was for us in our little niche community. She got law enforcement involved, and they were trying to figure out if "a crime was committed." That means they will pick every thread she ever posted in and read everyone's post who commented on it to see if anyone encouraged her or directly told her to do it I worked for a lawyer and I am on speaking terms with several cops. If something comes close, they will find a way to spin it into an arrest.

It will have nothing to do with law, probably how much paperwork and time that has to go into it will be the deciding factor. The invasion of privacy for innocent members who weren't even on her daughter's goodbye thread had stuff posted to her news feed. She had people's profile pics, user names, and comments from the people paying their respects in her daughter's thread all over her FB. Then some of us were lucky enough to make the news where our profile pics and posts were shown. They blurred our screen name as if that somehow protected us. I was furious, then sad, and I almost requested a ban. Then we were bullied by people making new accounts who had to be pro-lifers.

I'm glad someone on here said they noticed a change as recently as two months ago. I thought I was imagining things. I have had a few times where people weren't openly trolling, but making passive-aggressive comments about my posts. In a really nasty way. I just stick them in the ignore box, but yeah, it's hurtful. I've seen them being condescending pricks towards other members as well. IRL I'm loud and opinionated, but it's just how people are in my family and area where I live. I've gotten a couple PMs saying to chill (in a nice way,) so I try to. But I thought I was imaging things. Maybe we could bring it to the attention of admins? I remember getting attacked once for asking that, basically insinuating that I was the village idiot. No one here needs that. I do have anger issues, so I apologize if I've ever made anyone uncomfortable, angry, or sad. I almost never sleep more than 3 hours a nite, so I can barely speak or write correctly..

 

[cornflowerblue]

I deleted a post on this thread because I didn't want to engage in the debate, and I felt like maybe I should let it go. I was pretty angry when I wrote it, because somehow the subject about us being called out by the deranged mother a few months ago came up. I went on a tirade, and I just didn't want to keep up the Facebook like jaunting so I deleted it. I don't think new people understand how horrible that was for us in our little niche community. She got law enforcement involved, and they were trying to figure out if "a crime was committed." That means they will pick every thread she ever posted in and read everyone's post who commented on it to see if anyone encouraged her or directly told her to do it I worked for a lawyer and I am on speaking terms with several cops. If something comes close, they will find a way to spin it into an arrest.

It will have nothing to do with law, probably how much paperwork and time that has to go into it will be the deciding factor. The invasion of privacy for innocent members who weren't even on her daughter's goodbye thread had stuff posted to her news feed. She had people's profile pics, user names, and comments from the people paying their respects in her daughter's thread all over her FB. Then some of us were lucky enough to make the news where our profile pics and posts were shown. They blurred our screen name as if that somehow protected us. I was furious, then sad, and I almost requested a ban. Then we were bullied by people making new accounts who had to be pro-lifers.

I'm glad someone on here said they noticed a change as recently as two months ago. I thought I was imagining things. I have had a few times where people weren't openly trolling, but making passive-aggressive comments about my posts. In a really nasty way. I just stick them in the ignore box, but yeah, it's hurtful. I've seen them being condescending pricks towards other members as well. IRL I'm loud and opinionated, but it's just how people are in my family and area where I live. I've gotten a couple PMs saying to chill (in a nice way,) so I try to. But I thought I was imaging things. Maybe we could bring it to the attention of admins? I remember getting attacked once for asking that, basically insinuating that I was the village idiot. No one here needs that. I do have anger issues, so I apologize if I've ever made anyone uncomfortable, angry, or sad. I almost never sleep more than 3 hours a nite, so I can barely speak or write correctly..

Yes, things changed a lot. My account is somewhat young but I've lurked here for about a year

 

[Shamana]

I don't see the problem with OP tbh even if it's a little naive. Being pro-choice doesn't automatically mean being pro-suicide. There exists loads of people who are happy they survived their suicide attempts down the road and there are some who are not happy about it. I respect people's death wish including my own, but it's difficult to argue that suicide is not a immensely negative act in most cases.

 

[Empty Smile]

I love you but I have zero sympathy for people who feel they are obligated to "battle" on websites, that's silly.
These are not real "attacks" they are conflicting opinions and nothing more. When you *choose* to engage in "battle* rather than disengage, that's on you, but don't pretend you are obligated to do so.
Admins were smart and kind enough to give us an Ignore button for a reason. Don't pretend you are "battle weary" just because you are obligated to fight when you are really just refusing to use the choice to disengage.
What do you care if someone disagrees with you? We are all just random nobodies on an internet forum. Disengage if someone annoys you.

I love you but I have zero sympathy for people who feel they are obligated to "battle" on websites, that's silly.
These are not real "attacks" they are conflicting opinions and nothing more. When you *choose* to engage in "battle* rather than disengage, that's on you, but don't pretend you are obligated to do so.
Admins were smart and kind enough to give is an Ignore button for a reason. Don't pretend you are "battle weary" just because you are obligated to fight when you are really just refusing to use the choice to disengage.
What do you care if someone disagrees with you? We are all just random nobodies on an internet forum. Disengage if someone annoys you.
EDIT: I give up editing this a third time it is just jumping all over the place.

You're right, and I'm the same. I don't have to battle, but the last battle I had, started getting hilarious as it went on. Dude backed himself into a corner and fought like hell to get out. It eventually got locked.

And I can care less if someone disagrees with me. I made my comment, you disagreed with what I said with a snide comment, so of course, I have to respond (this statement is not addressed toward you, just an example). Also, I'm not battle weary, I can battle for days and not lose any sleep(I hardly ever get any anyway)!

P.S. I love you too.... Wanna have a battle about it?

@Only Me Here

Just for you, here it is!

 

[not_a_robot]

You're right, and I'm the same. I don't have to battle, but the last battle I had, started getting hilarious as it went on. Dude backed himself into a corner and fought like hell to get out. It eventually got locked.

And I can care less if someone disagrees with me. I made my comment, you disagreed with what I said with a snide comment, so of course, I have to respond (this statement is not addressed toward you, just an example). Also, I'm not battle weary, I can battle for days and not lose any sleep(I hardly ever get any anyway)!

P.S. I love you too.... Wanna have a battle about it?

@Only Me Here

Just for you, here it is!View attachment 12957

let's have a total slapfest! slappity slap! I will pinch your nipples so hard!

 

[Empty Smile]

let's have a total slapfest! slappity slap! I will pinch your nipples so hard!

let's have a total slapfest! slappity slap! I will pinch your nipples so hard!

 

[color_me_gone]

eye picture freaking some of us out. Bring it back :)

Please? @Empty Smile

 

[BeenDoneForSoLong]

I exercise.
Have an okay job.
Socialize due to said job.
Have been on antidepressants...
Yet here I am, 11pm. I want to fucking kill myself. I've tried your fantastic suggestions. So now do I have permission to ctb? When does it stop? Will the list of things delaying it never end? When I've got a wife, am making six figures and STILL want to fucking die ...will I need TWO wives- do I need to make BILLIONS?

The goal posts will never stop moving in a 'pro life' scenario. Death is inevitable, let it come sooner for those of us who aren't overtly fond of the whole life thing.

 

[Empty Smile]

Please? @Empty Smile

I've been trying... It sits for a minute, then says "Oops, we ran into some problems."

I'll keep trying to put it back as my avatar.

I've been trying... It sits for a minute, then says "Oops, we ran into some problems."

I'll keep trying to put it back as my avatar.

Edit: never mind... I just noticed it changed on it's own! The eye is back!

 

[dandan]

Hey man, Dbol ?
I'm thinking in going back to the gym, because
whatever time I've got left
I know exercise does help
but I do need a stimulant to go, otherwise I wont

tell me about Dbol
can I do it in the smallest qty?
I dont want to damage my liver and have further complications

I want to buy it today
it might arrive tomorrow or the day after
I've heard it can really change mood, but what if I become aggresive
damm, well than I can stop taking it

 

[oopswronglife]

What gets me the most is the newer members admonishing people who have been here longer or are more active

I hope you don't feel this is antagonistic and reinforcing your belief, since I agree with 99% of what you said and like you, but I find the idea of "seniority" and some implied respect ridiculous, especially on the internet in some forum. All people deserve respect, and you can kill that with poor behavior, but having posted somewhere for years or whatever doesn't earn you any position of authority or status. This idea bothers me in life in general because people seem to think they are owed (more) respect for simply having existed in a place longer than someone else. Everyone deserves the same respect until they prove why they do not. I just can't stand status posturing and the idea you have to "earn" a right to speak or have ideas by playing into tribal time requirements. I am sure at the end of the day we agree and it's the poor behavior that is the root bother regardless of "seniority".

I do totally get your frustration in general and as others have said it seems a majority of people online anymore are assholes and here entirely for their own egos and amusement. As has been said your true nature comes out when there are no consequences for showing it. This place also has a bit of an added bonus because as much as we want respect for our suffering and decisions and be seen as rational people who are just in pain, there are some posters who are not at all rational and who are clearly pretty disturbed. It can be difficult to tell at times who is just being obnoxious and who legit believes what they are saying because they have severe mental issues.

 

[RM5998]

I hope you don't feel this is antagonistic and reinforcing your belief, since I agree with 99% of what you said and like you, but I find the idea of "seniority" and some implied respect ridiculous, especially on the internet in some forum. All people deserve respect, and you can kill that with poor behavior, but having posted somewhere for years or whatever doesn't earn you any position of authority or status. This idea bothers me in life in general because people seem to think they are owed (more) respect for simply having existed in a place longer than someone else. Everyone deserves the same respect until they prove why they do not. I just can't stand status posturing and the idea you have to "earn" a right to speak or have ideas by playing into tribal time requirements. I am sure at the end of the day we agree and it's the poor behavior that is the root bother regardless of "seniority".

I do totally get your frustration in general and as others have said it seems a majority of people online anymore are assholes and here entirely for their own egos and amusement. As has been said your true nature comes out when there are no consequences for showing it. This place also has a bit of an added bonus because as much as we want respect for our suffering and decisions and be seen as rational people who are just in pain, there are some posters who are not at all rational and who are clearly pretty disturbed. It can be difficult to tell at times who is just being obnoxious and who legit believes what they are saying because they have severe mental issues.

I feel that you're ignoring context here.
It's true that in a general sense, older members don't really deserve respect because of seniority alone. However, said experience with this forum was probably part of why @bigj75 thought this was something worth posting (if I'm wrong about your intentions here, do correct me). When someone who's been here for a month decides that a thread on possible routes to recovery is useless because they find it useless for themselves, they are ignoring the reason the post was made. When someone who has spent a month here concludes that most of the populace here has no need for routes to recovery, they are again ignoring the reason the post was made. Yes, it's likely that most of the stuff on the list will not help the majority of members here - however, there's still the scope of giving some useful advice to people who've landed here and lurked without joining, and the cost to those for whom it doesn't work is minimal (irritation at most).

 

[H2H2]

I hope you don't feel this is antagonistic and reinforcing your belief, since I agree with 99% of what you said and like you, but I find the idea of "seniority" and some implied respect ridiculous,

People were making fun of him because he recommended diet, exercise , etc.

I didnt read "seniority" that way. I read it as he being someone who has been actively involved with the SS community for many many months, who probably has had to say goodbye to a friend or two he made in SS who CTB and who probably undestands perfectly what prochoice means and how hard it is to fight suicidal tendencies. The man has been contributing to the community and lending a hand to other members for many many months, he has not been playing word games non stop like me.

 

[not_a_robot]

I exercise.
Have an okay job.
Socialize due to said job.
Have been on antidepressants...
Yet here I am, 11pm. I want to fucking kill myself. I've tried your fantastic suggestions. So now do I have permission to ctb? When does it stop? Will the list of things delaying it never end? When I've got a wife, am making six figures and STILL want to fucking die ...will I need TWO wives- do I need to make BILLIONS?

The goal posts will never stop moving in a 'pro life' scenario. Death is inevitable, let it come sooner for those of us who aren't overtly fond of the whole life thing.

so...I hear you're looking for another wife and you're about to be a billionaire...
How yoo dooin'?

 

[oopswronglife]

I feel that you're ignoring context here.
It's true that in a general sense, older members don't really deserve respect because of seniority alone. However, said experience with this forum was probably part of why @bigj75 thought this was something worth posting (if I'm wrong about your intentions here, do correct me).

I don't think the shitty responses were about age of accounts or context. I think they were from reactive people who were itching for a fight for one reason or another. Sometimes those reasons are understandable even if not a good excuse for acting on the feelings. Sometimes the people are just dicks. I didn't think there was anything wrong with @bigj75's post and don't think the personal attacks were justifiable in any context.

 

[restingspot]

Isn't kratom barely legal crack?

 

[RM5998]

People were making fun of him because he recommended diet, exercise , etc.

I didnt read "seniority" that way. I read it as he being someone who has been actively involved with the SS community for many many months, who probably has had to say goodbye to a friend or two he made in SS who CTB and who probably undestands perfectly what prochoice means and how hard it is to fight suicidal tendencies. The man has been contributing to the community and lending a hand to other members for many many months, he has not been playing word games non stop like me.

Thanks for putting my sentiment into better words (including the bit about word games).

so...I hear you're looking for another wife and you're about to be a billionaire...
How yoo dooin'?

You're probably late, but your arrival is impeccably refined, as always...
I'm guessing you believe that writers who use subtext are cowards?

 

[color_me_gone]

The eye is back!

Thank you! Best Avatar on SS.

 

[not_a_robot]

Thanks for putting my sentiment into better words (including the bit about word games).

You're probably late, but your arrival is impeccably refined, as always...
I'm guessing you believe that writers who use subtext are cowards?

I don't think the shitty responses were about age of accounts or context. I think they were from reactive people who were itching for a fight for one reason or another. Sometimes those reasons are understandable even if not a good excuse for acting on the feelings. Sometimes the people are just dicks. I didn't think there was anything wrong with @bigj75's post and don't think the personal attacks were justifiable in any context.

The guy is itching to ctb any minute, I work fast Baby. Who's got time for subtext? People who don't know what they want so they're afraid to ask.

 

[oopswronglife]

People were making fun of him because he recommended diet, exercise , etc.

I didnt read "seniority" that way.

I am a bit confused by your reply since it addresses something other than what I said. I quoted another user who stated that its more wrong for a new member to criticize an older one. I don't think account seniority should dictate the level of respect someone deserves. I realize it is an unpopular opinion with some people because status is an emotional thing. It's even worse irl where people act like sitting in some office for a year longer than you makes them superior somehow. Overall I despise ego and status and think everyone deserves the same level of innate respect. I wasn't talking at all about @bigj75's posting which I thought was fine personally, nor was he using the "seniority" card in any way. He had good intentions and some people shit on him.

Thank you! Best Avatar on SS.

It won't stop looking at me. Stop it! Aggghhhhh.

 

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

...but I find the idea of "seniority" and some implied respect ridiculous, especially on the internet in some forum.

YES!!!!!! This right here!!!

I have seen this ridiculous comment a few times. I've even been attacked with the comment with someone talking down to me like a child. It's the most ridiculous thing in the entire world!!!