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Living in a delusional state acts as a defense mechanism, a sort of filter to the outside world. And on the other point about not being able to see one's place in a situation - how can the Almighty penalize one for that? If one did not know, then one did not know.

I don't see a conflict. You are given a choice to be in this delusional state. Being in this state has always a price. Even if you are healthy, with money, attention from others.... this world is inherently sick, corrupted, and it's your choice to see it. Having chance to feel good personally, and ignoring what is happening around you, is called egoism... I don't want to get moralistic here, but the inability to feel pain for the others, is a natural way to enforce the illusion. This is why most religions talk about learning how to love, not that we can't, but it's not in our biological nature... There is always enough suffering in the world, for everyone to recognize it. I'm not saying - to fix it, but at least recognize it and think about it...

People know what they needs to know, sorry but you can't escape that fact. This is why we have conscience and reason. You can either choose to be happy or have conscience... And I think, it's really a matter of choice you must make, just believing you deserve better will not do it... I don't think "believing" is actually making that choice. The choice is "free", up to you, but what you must choose, is not. Since it's recognizing our true inner nature. Anyway, this forum is not really about spiritual topics, I doubt most people here believe they have such nature. And it's understandable, since very few people actually chose to love outside physical affection. I think living a life that you are not ashamed of, and recognizing your inevitable mistakes, is crucial to end up where you really want. Anyway, good luck, you seem to be on the right track.
 
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I think living a life that you are not ashamed of, and recognizing your inevitable mistakes, is crucial to end up where you really want. Anyway, good luck, you seem to be on the right track.
I agree. I definitely recognise my past mistakes. I could have been much kinder to others in my journey of my life - could have treated them better.

My position is that if I knew then what I know now, I would have done things vastly different. I guess that is part of the human experience and growing.

Still I do wonder what lies beyond, and if I have the option of choosing my next dimension / ways of being.

I may post this on a second thread, but would welcome your take on this article by Frederick Meyers :
 
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I agree. I definitely recognise my past mistakes. I could have been much kinder to others in my journey of my life - could have treated them better.

My position is that if I knew then what I know now, I would have done things vastly different. I guess that is part of the human experience and growing.

Still I do wonder what lies beyond, and if I have the option of choosing my next dimension / ways of being.

I may post this on a second thread, but would welcome your take on this article by Frederick Meyers :
The only thing I really have against this theory is the lack of option or choice to stay in one of these stages or that's how I read it at least.
 
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Not so sure about this topic. It would be lovely to know that the afterlife was real, and that you'd be reunited with all of your loved ones, but we will only find out the truth when we die. I've heard a lot of people talk about their experience dying then being resuscitated, they claim to feel really at peace. Sort of like they were in a deep sleep, i hope that's how it is.
 
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Not so sure about this topic. It would be lovely to know that the afterlife was real, and that you'd be reunited with all of your loved ones, but we will only find out the truth when we die. I've heard a lot of people talk about their experience dying then being resuscitated, they claim to feel really at peace. Sort of like they were in a deep sleep, i hope that's how it is.
Ever had a dream where you exist in a different or similar place? You don't feel anything physically or emotionally despite the fact you're there existing yet at the same time you feel an everlasting calm and peace? That's how I imagine it would be like.
 
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Ever had a dream where you exist in a different or similar place? You don't feel anything physically or emotionally despite the fact you're there existing yet at the same time you feel an everlasting calm and peace? That's how I imagine it would be like.
That would be nice. I hope this is the case for both of us. I need peace so badly.
 
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I think this thread is really relevant to me, I've been a practicing Muslim for the last 5-6 years and I can say that with absolute cetrainty that religion is utter nonsense. I left Islam and my depression is a little bit less now. Honestly there is no evidence that suggests a God, any so-called evidence is just a lie or idiotic mental gymansatics, I seriously hate myself for wasting years of my life on this crap called religion. I want to apologise to those who tried to convince me that it's false when I was a stubborn retard.
 
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Honestly, while I'm asleep I feel like I'm in peaceful bliss. I often sleep far too long because of it but being in that state of mind is the greatest, it's not like I'm unhappy with my life or I'm suffering outside of sleep or my dreams are even full of pleasure, I just feel peaceful. I don't know if the consciousness feels pain when passing away or if you just become nothingness, I don't fear it, we all must meet it eventually.

Maybe there is heaven/hell/reincarnation, I still don't fear it because even if there is a god who caused all of this, there is no right/wrong, only living true to yourself. Maybe I'm wrong about all of this, but there is no sense in fearing the end; the end is already painful, so at least go in peace, letting yourself be taken by whatever it is at the end of the tunnel and accepting it.

I'm just the type that will adapt and accept whatever is to come, even if it's bad that is just the way the universe works, not necessarily against you specifically but sometimes things cant be changed sometimes they can, but the important thing is to accept that things are what they are and to live in reality and not a fantasy.

I've thought about the end in different ways, maybe reincarnation is a thing but the only thing I fear about that is going again without my memories, the thing I fear most is losing memories. Even if I've been hurt, I could never forget both the good and bad times because they are me, I fear losing my sense of self in that regard but I doubt memories persist through reincarnation though I've heard of people saying they recalled past lives. I don't hope for a specific end, as long as I can find peace I'm happy, be it through heaven, nirvana, reincarnation, or just pure nothingness of a floating conscious that exists in the most abstract sense of thought or even ceasing to be of anything. It kind of hurts to think about which is why I feel going with the flow like a river in this case is the best because we don't know and never will so to fight it is wrong but to go with a hope of your own belief is okay even if it may be wrong, as long as it brings peace in the last moments.
 
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CptBBQ

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Didn't check every page of this thread but I wonder if anyone has the same idea as me.

If there is infinite time, and matter can not be created or destroyed, in some ridiculously high number amount of years (see something like grahams or rayos number) all of the particles that made your brain up will get back together and you will regain consciousness. The problem with this is it probably wont be you wake up as a human again, most likely just a brain floating in space or something, but when that dies again the cycle will repeat.

After 10^99999 or whatever cycles of this maybe you'll regain consciousness as an unicorn, or a volcano. Not all (or none) of your memories and personality will carry through most likely, but it can happen.

That's what I think will happen, but I wouldn't care if it was just after you die, it's just nothingness. That would probably be better anyways.
 
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@CptBBQ

so fascinating. Several years ago I was talking to someone about a cyclic resurgence of civilisation long after humanity was dead and gone. I remember asking something to the effect of, "isn't that reassuring?"
 
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ithappens

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I'm pretty torn. In order to believe in an afterlife, one must first have a concept of what the self and consciousness (the things people generally believe 'live on') are. If we go entirely based off of science and physical evidence then it's pretty easy to see why many people are atheists and also don't believe. But in my mind there are always possibilities, however slight they are, that what we experience physically can't even be trusted.

For example, if we were a simulation (a complex version of the Sims, let's say) would we be able to figure that out based on the coding available to us in our "world" (the game)? Or would we only be able to accurately test the boundaries of what's been coded for us by a being ("god") outside of our realm and reach? One could argue that if we go based on hypotheticals like this then anything is possible and nothing is solid, but that's kind of what philosophers, theologians, and humankind in general have been debating our entire existence.

There are other things that make me wonder too, just random facts you pick up here and there. Someone once asked me how I know I've been alive all this time and didn't just come into existence - memories and all - a moment or two ago. It was scary coming to the realization then that everything I know could be wrong or in some other way so easily challenged and I didn't have a scientific way to prove that my existence and consciousness HAS existed for as long as I perceive it to have.

Another thing that I think is an important factor is the idea of what an "afterlife" even is. Is it a person continuing as they are now, personality and all, just in a new place? Is it their purest energy, no personality included, moving around from place to place (in which case one could argue we're all just a part of one big life source/consciousness)? Is it being reborn?

There are too many hypotheticals, and while I'd love to side with science 100% of the time, I think there is some truth to the idea that we simply won't know for sure until we die.

inb4: "You just entertain these possibilities because your pathetic human mind is scared of the unknown/doesn't want to die!"
Maybe so, but if there are still options to explore I don't see why we shouldn't discredit them entirely before discluding them. And I think it's important to look at the issue of "is there an afterlife and/or god(s)" from the perspective of "what even is existence in the first place".

If this doesn't make any sense, I apologize, it's midnight where I am and I haven't been able to sleep ...
 
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I actually had a near death experience while on a cocktail of nootropics (nsi-189, noopept, uridine, ssri and a few more). I spent too long in a sauna, got out, then went into some sort of trance where I thought I died. Some crazy weird shit happened, at the start I was seeing the processes in my body going on as if it were a drawing, I saw both sides of my body communicating to eachother through vibrations, songs etc communicated through movements in their outlines. I saw what felt like thousands of years of patterns and stories of what was happening inside my body, with the start and end of the story linking up.

Anyways this is the important part, I eventually felt as if I left my body, I went to this giant scintillating rainbow brain in outer space, that explained part of what living inside it entailed. It talked about how it was mining the shards of the infinite from its surroundings which it was located in. It said that there were people inside it, who would train and cultivate through understanding, eventually becoming super beings, and there was a section of it where they would do battle if so desired. There was a whole world inside it.

Then it disappeared and a new scene appeared. It was a giant golden crystaline structure, some god type entity was explaining how it worked and was setting it up. It was like advanced physics explained through analogies that made sense to me. Eventually golden particles started flowing through it, like water in a desert, giving life to it. It was explained that I would be reincarnated into this cubic crystaline computer like being.

After that was becoming massive water entities that floated through space, and I was being born by them. They were hyper intelligent and social creatures. They were in a sea of infinite water. They had energies flowing through them and some crystaline structures too. Maybe the crystaline structures were similar to molecules, but the scales were wonky. I don't remember too much of this one. I remember they had extremely diverse knowledge systems and would share their creations that they made inside themselves with others of their kind. They were very peaceful.

I remember quite a lot more, well maybe 2 times more. It just doesn't really fit in to anything.

Oh I just remembered the final and most important part. I saw my soul. It was a ghostly entity with no legs, instead of arms it had a dog-soul on the left and a cat-soul on the right. My soul smiled at me. Suddenly the dog soul started chasing the cat soul, they turned into elementary particles, the dog soul left a trail and could quickly travel along its trail, while the cat soul was blazingly fast, it used some sort or quantum properties to zoom along as well, I can't remember the specifics, but it was an amazing set of laws that felt like the core of physics. These two chased and ran for what felt like millions of years and a nano second, and somehow weaved a world out of their patterns they left. It was much more rich of a world than our own, with dazzling laws and weird geometry, not spheres in space like our world but rather lines, crystals, particles, idk.


I was an athiest before this event. Afterwards I thought through my experience and knew it should be real. There is no fucking way my mind could have come up with all of that, it was the universe in all its majesty. My soul is real.

Later, actually just recently, I was communicated by my soul that earth is dead last in terms of experiences a soul can go through. It primarily functions as a way for souls to determine what they don't want. I was also told the soul is an amalgamation of all experiences past and future, and it uses those experiences to think really, really well.

I have chats sometimes with my soul, only when it feels like it is a super strong signal, otherwise it just feels like I'm talking to myself. Yes my epistemology has greatly been altered by this experience.
 
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Jean Améry

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Hello everyone,

I'm new to this forum. This topic is of most interest to me at the moment.

For most of my cognitively developed life, I was an atheist and an anti-supernaturalist, so I didn't believe in afterlives, ghosts, etc. These stances resulted from my belief that there were no compelling reasons to believe in God or supernatural phenomena generally. My views on these issues gradually changed, such that I now reject atheism and anti-supernaturalism for a number of reasons.

The first is that the arguments for materialism, physicalism, naturalism, or whatever brand of anti-supernaturalism one prefers are not compelling. Typically they depend on appeals to parsimony: supernatural phenomena aren't in evidence, and there's no need to posit them to explain the phenomena we know about, so we shouldn't think there are supernatural phenomena. All these arguments tend to beg the question in that they assume that consciousness, or the mind more broadly, has been or can be fully explained with reference only to material phenomena. It is simply untrue that anyone has developed such an explanation. It remains entirely mysterious how a wet lump of biomatter (the brain) can generate mental phenomena. Vague claims about the mind being an "emergent property" don't count as satisfactory theories, since they utterly fail to explain the causal mechanisms that make this emergence possible. Subjectivity remains a complete mystery, and materialist philosophers such as Daniel Dennett have done nothing to resolve the mystery other than insist that science will figure it out eventually (a reverse God-of-the-gaps fallacy, as far as I can tell, insofar as the claim is that "science has figured stuff out before in a way compatible with physicalism, therefore [here comes the non-sequitur] we know it'll work out the same way this time"). As it stands, to say we know the mind is a purely physical phenomenon is simply to assume what is at issue. It is entirely possible that the brain is a receiver rather than a generator of consciousness and perhaps other mental phenomena, for example. No scientific fact or body of such facts rules out this possibility, and in fact it is more consistent than materialist accounts with some observations, such as the countless documented cases of individuals who have experienced increased mental lucidity when their brains were impaired (for example, those having near-death experiences or NDEs). People often forget that physicalism, materialism, or whatever is a metaphysical rather than scientific thesis, as is supernaturalism. Such theses can be consistent or inconsistent with scientific data, but to say that materialism or a related view has been scientifically established is simply incorrect: "There is also the inductive generalization from the conspicuous success of materialist science in a wide variety of other areas. This undeniably has some modest weight, but seems obviously very far from being enough to justify the strong presumption in question [i.e. that materialism is true]. Inductions are always questionable when the conclusion extends to cases that are significantly different from the ones to which the evidence pertains, and even most materialists will concede that conscious phenomena are among the most difficult—indeed, seemingly the most difficult of all—for materialist views to handle. Thus the fact that materialism has been successful in many other areas does not yield a very strong case that it will succeed in the specific area that we are concerned with" (Laurence BonJour).

Second, and as alluded to above, there is quite a lot of evidence of phenomena that simply don't fit, or don't clearly fit, into materialist frameworks. Other members, such as shattered dreams, have mentioned NDEs, and indeed no satisfactory materialist account of NDEs has been offered. The idea that NDEs have been successfully explained as results of DMT surges near death is false: no one has demonstrated this, it is merely speculation. In fact, all materialist explanations of NDEs are highly speculative (see https://academic.oup.com/qjmed/article/110/2/67/2681812) and none can account, even in principle, for veridical information gained through NDEs, as in the cases where congenitally blind persons acquire sight through which they accurately describe the appearance of things they couldn't have seen if materialist theories were correct. Various other phenomena that are inconsistent with standard materialist views of reality are treated in detail in the books Irreducible Mind: Toward a Psychology for the 21st Century and Beyond Physicalism: Toward Reconciliation of Science and Spirituality, among others. These works aren't from no-name cranks, but respected academics (for example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Greyson). Unsurprisingly, the arguments in such books don't go without criticism (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_Mind) but I'm yet to be convinced by any materialist critiques, which frequently beg the question and ignore inconvenient findings.

Third, the various philosophical arguments for atheism (and the only real such arguments are philosophical, contra Dawkins and company) are unpersuasive. The argument from evil is perhaps the strongest, but it depends on the assumption that God is omnipotent, which some have argued even the Bible doesn't clearly indicate.

Fourth, many cases of apparent miracles, both modern and historical, are not easily explained in materialist terms, and seem to evidence the existence of God. Attempts at materialist explanations of, for instance, apparent medical miracles tend to invoke bizarre organismic healing mechanisms the reality of which isn't established. So, for example, the most thorough scientific review of the meticulously documented healing miracles at Lourdes shrine concluded that "Uncanny and weird, the cures are currently beyond our ken but still impressive, incredibly effective, and awaiting a scientific explanation" (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3854941/). These and related seemingly supernatural phenomena attending religious activities and events to my mind render theism rationally defensible, though not justified beyond doubt.

Materialism and related metaphysical views don't have much going for them, as far as I can tell. Their supporters are unfortunately quick to try to explain away all apparent evidence that doesn't fit their favored views as resulting from hallucinations, mental illnesses, dishonesty, and so on. This tactic, however, is close to simply assuming the truth of materialism. Positing that the countless people with no history of hallucinations, mental illness, or dishonesty have only experienced what they claim to have experienced due to the first two of these, or one or the other, or are otherwise lying, when there is no evidence for any of this suggests that one is simply closed off to the possibility of being wrong.

So basically you just assume the supernatural exists because you want to believe in it as all believers do. Untill there is cogent evidence for a reality outside of the physical universe I'll assume this is all there is. This is an inherently reasonable attitude. Your view amounts to 'you can't prove god, an afterlife... doesn't exist therefore they must exist'.

It's not up to a materialist to explain NDE's, miracles etcetera: anyone claiming they're proof of a supernatural reality bears the burden of proof. Untill such proof is delivered your whole argument is nothing but rubbish.

"All these arguments tend to beg the question in that they assume that consciousness, or the mind more broadly, has been or can be fully explained with reference only to material phenomena. It is simply untrue that anyone has developed such an explanation."

Who claims consciousness can as of yet be explained wholely by science? Seems like a strawman argument to me and certainly an appeal to ignorance: we can't as of yet explain certain phenomena (fully) so they must be supernatural in origin. Of course science is the only way to reliably gather, test and explain data. What has the supposed supernatural ever explained? Words like 'god', 'heaven', 'the spirit', 'the soul' etcetera are completely empty since one can never point to reality to explain what they mean.

Feel free to believe whatever you want but don't delude yourself into thinking you can somehow rationally defend your views on this. Your long-winded post here amounts to nothing more than a combination of the fallacies 'shifting the burden of proof' and 'argumentum ad ignorantiam'. Materialism simply denies a supernatural reality. Idealism, spiritualism, christianity etcetera make positive claims they cannot possibly support with convincing evidence that doesn't rest on 'you can't prove it's not so'.

Ask yourself this: how on earth can/do I know any supernatural claim can ever be real?
 
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throwaway123

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I think this thread is really relevant to me, I've been a practicing Muslim for the last 5-6 years and I can say that with absolute cetrainty that religion is utter nonsense. I left Islam and my depression is a little bit less now. Honestly there is no evidence that suggests a God, any so-called evidence is just a lie or idiotic mental gymansatics, I seriously hate myself for wasting years of my life on this crap called religion. I want to apologise to those who tried to convince me that it's false when I was a stubborn retard.
That part about mental gymnastics is so true. It's not just the traditional religions but also all the new age bullshit that's on the internet these days. It's so sad to see people fall for that crap.
 
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salvation

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I really do hope there is an afterlife
 
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Glim

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Jan 28, 2019
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Didn't check every page of this thread but I wonder if anyone has the same idea as me.

If there is infinite time, and matter can not be created or destroyed, in some ridiculously high number amount of years (see something like grahams or rayos number) all of the particles that made your brain up will get back together and you will regain consciousness. The problem with this is it probably wont be you wake up as a human again, most likely just a brain floating in space or something, but when that dies again the cycle will repeat.

After 10^99999 or whatever cycles of this maybe you'll regain consciousness as an unicorn, or a volcano. Not all (or none) of your memories and personality will carry through most likely, but it can happen.

That's what I think will happen, but I wouldn't care if it was just after you die, it's just nothingness. That would probably be better anyways.
So we're all fragments of a schizophrenic "god" talking and playing with copies of itself in a simulation to fully explore every single possibility. Sounds boring, terrifying, and wonderous all at the same time. I know you didn't say god, but that's what I am calling the source of where all matter and energy came from. I want to write a message on all of my atoms telling it not to ever mold this meat sculpture ever again, because probabilistically an infinite amount of lives would entail unfathomable amounts of ways to suffer.

I fear that is exactly what a godlike force would do - explore every single possibility, including ones that entail great suffering, because it would quickly grow bored of a perfect paradise. Just like at the insatiability of desires of humans, their curiosity that extends into the territory of the macabre and morbid, creation of horrifying fictional worlds and ideas (hellfire, eternal return, other afterlife punishments) their malignancy, their propensity to create conflict to stir things up, and multiply that exponentially with "godlike power".

If the universe is cyclical and we're bound to live an infinite amount of lives, then I hope that this instance was just a beta test version gone terribly wrong and that "God" will make sure to balance and patch the next iterations, or at least gives us the option to rest in the void.
 
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Your Own Ghost

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I don't believe the afterlife has been invaded by interdimensional species that feed off the residual energy of the human form. I especially don't believe that they use memories to lure you in with visions of your loved ones and then eat your soul for sustenance.

But if I did believe that, though, I would believe that it wasn't always this way. It would be obvious it's been at least a handful of decades because Heaven still doesn't have email correspondence.

And if this all were true, and it's not, I think the Pope would know about this, but he would also know what the implications would be if he spread that kind of fear. I assume the people at the top of the hierarchical structures of all major religions would be working together with the deep state to develop weaponry and rid the interdimensional species from our afterlife so that we all may eventually transcend our earthly forms in peace and start a new golden age of shiny gate manufacturing.

Just to reiterate. I definitely don't believe that.

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@Your Own Ghost

eerily reminiscent of the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Also the "tunnel of light" trap theory...
 
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If god exists i want to hchallenge him tot a fist fight IM GON NA BEAT HIM THE FCUCK UP I SWEAR I WILL I WILL I'LL KILLL HIM UUUUGH IM GONNA grrrr. i dont believe in god. but sometimes i pray anyways.... weird
Yup, I'm with you on that! Got a bone or two to pick with the Divine G! ;-)

I'm baaaack! hehehe
 
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The majority of those who have had NDEs all bring back the same message - that there IS an afterlife but there is no judgement from "God" or whatever, you judge yourself by looking into your own panoramic life review where you reflect on every single moment of your physical life
Happy to hear this - i do however wonder what happens to those like Hitler who were serious assholes in their lives.
 
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Happy to hear this - i do however wonder what happens to those like Hitler who were serious assholes in their lives.
If there is no judgement for Hitler then I'd imagine we would just have to deal with him. The worst we would probably be able to do is ignore him.

He will probably be too busy hate preaching about Jews to a German only club too notice or care about us. We won't have to worry about anything physical wise unless for some odd reason murder and death are a thing in the afterlife.
 
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Carma

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If there is no judgement for Hitler then
Before judgement there has to be information, knowledge, study of the situation. Truth, that thing that doesn't exist in this hellhole.

I bet if something like afterlife exists then absolutely everybody who dies from earth would be SHOCKED, for years of all the lies they had been told once they are out and are able to see the truth, about everything, no more limitations.

In a way sometimes I imagine life as a football field, death is being kicked out, or choosing to leave, after that you can still watch, even better, go back in time, different angles, zoom, read lips, you would be able to see, hear, know everything about the other players, but you won't be able to enter again or communicate with them.
 
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Before judgement there has to be information, knowledge, study of the situation. Truth, that thing that doesn't exist in this hellhole.

I bet if something like afterlife exists then absolutely everybody who dies from earth would be SHOCKED, for years of all the lies they had been told once they are out and are able to see the truth, about everything, no more limitations.

In a way sometimes I imagine life as a football field, death is being kicked out, or choosing to leave, after that you can still watch, even better, go back in time, different angles, zoom, read lips, you would be able to see, hear, know everything about the other players, but you won't be able to enter again or communicate with them.
Murder, accidental or natural death would be getting kicked out of the game.

CTBing would be quitting instead.
 
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Thin Chew

世界以痛吻我 要我报之以歌
Mar 3, 2019
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Anyone ever wonder what if we will become nothing. For me, I think its Completely gone. Void. Heaven doesn't exist nor hell. It's just black and we can't control ourself. No feeling. Just like when we slept. That kind of feeling. Not offence to anyone else. Just my opinion. And I'm curious if anyone have thought like mine too
 
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EmotionlessWanderer

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Jan 19, 2019
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Anyone ever wonder what if we will become nothing. For me, I think its Completely gone. Void. Heaven doesn't exist nor hell. It's just black and we can't control ourself. No feeling. Just like when we slept. That kind of feeling. Not offence to anyone else. Just my opinion. And I'm curious if anyone have thought like mine too
No one would exist to care
 
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Ruffian

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Jan 16, 2019
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I am a Christian so I definitely believe in an afterlife. I was always taught that there was an afterlife, and I never knew anyone personally who did not believe in one. That is, until I came to this forum. I never heard of this "nothingness" until I came here and could not figure out why. I now realize the reason. In Christianity, it is taught that suicide is a sin. Therefore, I am one of the few Christians on this forum which is dominated by atheists. I personally believe that there is a wonderful afterlife that awaits us all. The idea of nothingness scares the hell out of me. If someone here were to convince me of this nothingness, I would no longer be suicidal, and that also scares the hell out of me since I would have to continue living this horrible life.
Did you ever read Dante's Inferno? The fate of people who committed suicide is horrible in hell.
millefeui,

I know life is horrible for people like us, but most people that I have known were happy. In fact, I have no friends left anymore because they all told me that I just bring them down so they all left.

My hope of the afterlife come from nde's. The common thing among nde's is the overwhelming feeling of being loved, something that I have never had. Also, a common theme is reuniting with dead loved ones. Although my mother destroyed my life by drinking during pregnancy, I still love her very much and miss her terribly since her death in 2005. I do believe this life is hell, at least for some of us, and I hope to escape to a better place. Maybe it is all wishful thinking, but it at least gives me hope.
This is the saddest thing I have ever read. You just made me cry for the first time ever here. I've been on this site for hours tonight. I hope you have found peace in whatever way you choose and that Love finds you.
 
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neveranyhope

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Mar 27, 2019
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As far as a Christian style heaven like afterlife, I don't believe in that, not like some party up in heaven with everyone you ever knew. I think we all return to light. I do think there's another dimension out there, as to what it is, not sure. But my whole life I've been tapped into it. I've had visions and shit like that. I don't talk about it very much at all because just one more thing to make people think I'm crazy. I've always wished I could embrace it more but various personal obstacles, alas. In my darkest times my sense of the 'other' side is very shut down. I have had that experience of a soul 'passing through' me out of nowhere at the exact moment someone died, only to find out much later that they had died (but in the moment being overwhelmed & "knowing" someone just died). And I posted as well about my close friend from college who I hadn't talked to in years come to me in a dream, say goodbye, and kill herself in front of me, and then I found out the next day that she had died. I sometimes think we get reincarnated, but I also always have wanted to go back in time because I love history so maybe that's a bit of wishful thinking on my part. I certainly don't believe in hell. This, undoubtedly, is hell. Only humans could conceive of it, and when we die, whatever we are, it isn't human anymore.
 
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406metallicblue

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Sep 7, 2018
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I wouldn't discount any possibility. I hope that suicide isn't deemed an evil act in the great scheme of things and that there is suffering to come, that would be unpleasant. I like the idea that i could watch over people i love afterwards and try to protect them, in whatever form i might take.My brain says there is nothing but the worms, but i had an experience several years ago where my father spoke to me after his death, as clear as day, which i can't forget. In buddhist tradition there is a time lapse after death and before reincarnation where a soul is still connected with this world after death in their current incarnation, i forget how long. a week or something. I can promise you that my father spoke to me just once and it made me convinced that something was possible.
 
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