Discussion Acid + Sodium Bicarbonate CO2 reaction method, and my test of it

[lifecouldbedream]

I've been trying partial hanging/night night for over a week but was never even able to make myself dizzy. Didn't want to cut myself and risk just straight up missing arteries, and also because I can't stand the thought of cutting into myself. I tried to suffocate myself twice in a plastic bag but barely lasted a minute; I at least tried to hyperventilate before in hopes of passing out but never got it right. Didn't want to mess with pills/substances either because those are very unreliable in my opinion. So I felt pretty defeated until I found a thread here discussing an article about a guy who committed suicide by mixing citric acid and baking soda in a plastic bag. It was presumed that the reaction produced enough carbon dioxide for immediate loss of consciousness, and there was no sign of struggle either. The cups weren't even knocked over.

Here's the article

This reaction works with presumably most acids + sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), so I decided to just use vinegar. Someone mentioned this method for euthanizing pets painlessly, doing the math that 1 tablespoon of sodium bicarbonate + 1 cup of vinegar would produce a gallon of CO2. Another recommends that a concentration of about 25% CO2 is recommended for instant loss of consciousness, so I did the math to fill my 13 gallon trash bag with 3.25 gallons of CO2, exactly 25% concentration. 3.25 tablespoons of baking soda and 3.25 cups of vinegar + some extra just to be sure. Looking back on this, I think this might be overkill but you might as well be sure.

I had never gotten much anxiety when attempting partial hanging or plastic bag suffocation, but when preparing for this method my heart was beating out of my chest. I think mainly because I was much more sure this would work. I got a big mixing bowl with the baking soda and a water bottle with the vinegar, put them into the plastic bag and taped it around my head. I didn't put my hands in there but I underestimated how difficult it would be to actually pick up the bottle, so I just squeezed it so the vinegar would pour out onto the soda.

I get most of it in and the reaction starts fizzing. I probably didn't set this up in the best way to avoid survival instincts but I rushed it a little and didn't think it through too well. First of all, my face was directly over the bubbling cauldron of death that was this bowl of baking soda and vinegar. The smell wasn't nice either. I'm already starting to panic and reach to rip the bag off of my head, as I do so the sound of the fizzing starts to warp and distort, and my vision starts filling with colorful vibrating dots. This sends me into overdrive and I dig my fingers through the bag and pull it off of my head. The bag appears to stretch way more than it should, like it was a dozen feet longer than normal. As I get it off all I can hear is a strange pulsing sound all around me, but very electrical and distorted like I was inside of a tesla coil. My head felt fuzzy and my vision was noisy and filled with colorful dots that rapidly contracted and expanded. This lasted for almost a minute and for the next 20 I was still seeing a decent amount of noise. For the rest of the day I still saw dots and colors in the dark.

Here are some things I noted:

• There was quite a bit of sediment at the bottom of the bowl, meaning to me that most of the soda didn't even react with the vinegar. Maybe I'm wrong and this sediment is normal but I'm thinking stirring the solution will speed up the reaction and make me lose consciousness much faster.
• There was no pain at all even when I began to hallucinate.
• It only took about 5 seconds for me to begin hallucinating, so I think a couple of seconds more would have sealed my fate for good.

What are your thoughts on this? I believe this to be an extremely promising method. It's basically guranteed that will die with the only obstacle being SI, but that applies even to SN methods.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

Interesting. I suppose that it follows the same principle of hyperventilation and shallow water drowning: if CO2 builds up in the body too quickly, the brain is unable to send a warning before unconsciousness is reached.
I didn't know that it was possible to achieve the same effect by breathing a high concentration of CO2; I've read many users saying that CO should be used and not CO2 if someone wants to pass away peacefully. But probably no one considered that even with CO2 the brain can be tricked.
I've been using the mixture of vinegar + baking soda often to wash clothes (it's an old way to remove stains from white clothes), but I have never placed my head over the basin. Next time I will be tempted..

 

[lifecouldbedream]

Interesting. I suppose that it follows the same principle of hyperventilation and shallow water drowning: if CO2 builds up in the body too quickly, the brain is unable to send a warning before unconsciousness is reached.
I didn't know that it was possible to achieve the same effect by breathing a high concentration of CO2; I've read many users saying that CO should be used and not CO2 if someone wants to pass away peacefully. But probably no one considered that even with CO2 the brain can be tricked.
I've been using the mixture of vinegar + baking soda often to wash clothes (it's an old way to remove stains from white clothes), but I have never placed my head over the basin. Next time I will be tempted..

Yeah, I was very surprised that there was no pain at all. I expected there to still be the pain of suffocation, just a lot more short lived. But nope. Actually, if anything it was a little pleasant.

 

[nico1420]

would love to hear more opinions about this since its quite available from the "ingredients" point of view, one question the end result is that you drown on this mixture as the cause of death?

 

[lifecouldbedream]

would love to hear more opinions about this since its quite available from the "ingredients" point of view, one question the end result is that you drown on this mixture as the cause of death?

the CO2 poisoning alone is enough to induce coma and death, combined with the fact that ones head would be in the plastic bag you either succumb to hypoxia or CO2 poisoning.

 

[hdahsa]

This seems like a good enough method and a painless replacement for the H2S method. Replace the lime sulphur with Sodium bicarbonate and you are done.

Although I guess this has to be done inside a bag over your head since the small space and the speed of generation of CO2 will ensure that you are off before your brain can send panic signals.

 

[91Days]

I've been trying partial hanging/night night for over a week but was never even able to make myself dizzy. Didn't want to cut myself and risk just straight up missing arteries, and also because I can't stand the thought of cutting into myself. I tried to suffocate myself twice in a plastic bag but barely lasted a minute; I at least tried to hyperventilate before in hopes of passing out but never got it right. Didn't want to mess with pills/substances either because those are very unreliable in my opinion. So I felt pretty defeated until I found a thread here discussing an article about a guy who committed suicide by mixing citric acid and baking soda in a plastic bag. It was presumed that the reaction produced enough carbon dioxide for immediate loss of consciousness, and there was no sign of struggle either. The cups weren't even knocked over.

Here's the article

This reaction works with presumably most acids + sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), so I decided to just use vinegar. Someone mentioned this method for euthanizing pets painlessly, doing the math that 1 tablespoon of sodium bicarbonate + 1 cup of vinegar would produce a gallon of CO2. Another recommends that a concentration of about 25% CO2 is recommended for instant loss of consciousness, so I did the math to fill my 13 gallon trash bag with 3.25 gallons of CO2, exactly 25% concentration. 3.25 tablespoons of baking soda and 3.25 cups of vinegar + some extra just to be sure. Looking back on this, I think this might be overkill but you might as well be sure.

I had never gotten much anxiety when attempting partial hanging or plastic bag suffocation, but when preparing for this method my heart was beating out of my chest. I think mainly because I was much more sure this would work. I got a big mixing bowl with the baking soda and a water bottle with the vinegar, put them into the plastic bag and taped it around my head. I didn't put my hands in there but I underestimated how difficult it would be to actually pick up the bottle, so I just squeezed it so the vinegar would pour out onto the soda.

I get most of it in and the reaction starts fizzing. I probably didn't set this up in the best way to avoid survival instincts but I rushed it a little and didn't think it through too well. First of all, my face was directly over the bubbling cauldron of death that was this bowl of baking soda and vinegar. The smell wasn't nice either. I'm already starting to panic and reach to rip the bag off of my head, as I do so the sound of the fizzing starts to warp and distort, and my vision starts filling with colorful vibrating dots. This sends me into overdrive and I dig my fingers through the bag and pull it off of my head. The bag appears to stretch way more than it should, like it was a dozen feet longer than normal. As I get it off all I can hear is a strange pulsing sound all around me, but very electrical and distorted like I was inside of a tesla coil. My head felt fuzzy and my vision was noisy and filled with colorful dots that rapidly contracted and expanded. This lasted for almost a minute and for the next 20 I was still seeing a decent amount of noise. For the rest of the day I still saw dots and colors in the dark.

Here are some things I noted:

• There was quite a bit of sediment at the bottom of the bowl, meaning to me that most of the soda didn't even react with the vinegar. Maybe I'm wrong and this sediment is normal but I'm thinking stirring the solution will speed up the reaction and make me lose consciousness much faster.
• There was no pain at all even when I began to hallucinate.
• It only took about 5 seconds for me to begin hallucinating, so I think a couple of seconds more would have sealed my fate for good.

What are your thoughts on this? I believe this to be an extremely promising method. It's basically guranteed that will die with the only obstacle being SI, but that applies even to SN methods.

My backup method

 

[Hateyouprolife]

Can this cause convulsions? Cannot find much info about it.

 

[SoDead]

I thought about this way too and actually tried it once, experiencing loss of vision and dizziness for a short time after inhaling, as well as some unpleasant sensation in my lungs. Unfortunately vinegar (acetic acid) vapor does not smell good and is irritating. So I thought about replacing it with citric acid but not tried that yet.

Is it safe by the way to try this without intention to die, only to check that consciousness is lost quickly? Cannot it lead to permanent vision impairment or something like that?

 

[HiImPaul]

I thought about this way too and actually tried it once, experiencing loss of vision and dizziness for a short time after inhaling, as well as some unpleasant sensation in my lungs. Unfortunately vinegar (acetic acid) vapor does not smell good and is irritating. So I thought about replacing it with citric acid but not tried that yet.

Is it safe by the way to try this without intention to die, only to check that consciousness is lost quickly? Cannot it lead to permanent vision impairment or something like that?

I can't imagine extremely short term exposure would cause lasting damage. It's not like it's a poison or anything. Your retina is just very oxygen hungry and doesn't like the sudden interruption caused by the CO2. Basically the same as standing up too fast and losing your vision for a second. Once oxygen is resorted it gets better. I'd just be careful about testing it, if you pass out before you can rip the bag off well… yeah

 

[lifecouldbedream]

I thought about this way too and actually tried it once, experiencing loss of vision and dizziness for a short time after inhaling, as well as some unpleasant sensation in my lungs. Unfortunately vinegar (acetic acid) vapor does not smell good and is irritating. So I thought about replacing it with citric acid but not tried that yet.

Is it safe by the way to try this without intention to die, only to check that consciousness is lost quickly? Cannot it lead to permanent vision impairment or something like that?

I don't think permanent damage is a concern, but you only have about 5-10 seconds to remove yourself from the gas exposure before you lose consciousness, so it is risky to test.

 

[Hateyouprolife]

I don't think permanent damage is a concern, but you only have about 5-10 seconds to remove yourself from the gas exposure before you lose consciousness, so it is risky to test.

If you are already ready to go, then I dont think this carries too much risk.

 

[lifecouldbedream]

I thought about this way too and actually tried it once, experiencing loss of vision and dizziness for a short time after inhaling, as well as some unpleasant sensation in my lungs. Unfortunately vinegar (acetic acid) vapor does not smell good and is irritating. So I thought about replacing it with citric acid but not tried that yet.

Citric acid is actually the original material that the person in that article used. I only used vinegar as a substitute for citric acid.

If you are already ready to go, then I dont think this carries too much risk.

This is true.

 

[Hateyouprolife]

Should you ecpect convulsions? It usually happens if brain doesnt recieve oxygen, but CO2 has anesthetic effect so I suspect you dont move at all.

Is carbon dioxide (CO2) a useful short acting anaesthetic for small laboratory animals? - PubMed

The anaesthetic effect of carbon dioxide (CO2) was investigated under predetermined exposure times in rats, mice and guinea pigs with admixture of 20% of oxygen (O2), and with 20% of ambient air in rats. In rats first symptoms (median) were detectable between 7 and 9.5 s, the induction time...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[SoDead]

I tried using citric acid + baking soda recently. Both were dry substances which I mixed together and then added water to start the reaction, placing the glass with it in a bag and tying it quickly. Reaction starts quickly producing a lot of CO2 but then slows down and can continue for a long time slowly releasing more gas.

100% CO2 was hard to breathe because it is really irritating at this concentration, perhaps even producing some spasm. 50% or less CO2 was more breathable.
I did not proceed to full loss of consciousness, did only a few breaths. It was somewhat scary and unpleasant, it feels like heart starts to beat faster immediately, breathing too intensifies. There is a sense of brain starting to switch off which is hard to describe, and associated panic. It is not at all like falling asleep. Symptoms are not immediately reversed after returning to breathing normal air. I did not see any hallucinations.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

I tried using citric acid + baking soda recently. Both were dry substances which I mixed together and then added water to start the reaction, placing the glass with it in a bag and tying it quickly. Reaction starts quickly producing a lot of CO2 but then slows down and can continue for a long time slowly releasing more gas.

100% CO2 was hard to breathe because it is really irritating at this concentration, perhaps even producing some spasm. 50% or less CO2 was more breathable.
I did not proceed to full loss of consciousness, did only a few breaths. It was somewhat scary and unpleasant, it feels like heart starts to beat faster immediately, breathing too intensifies. There is a sense of brain starting to switch off which is hard to describe, and associated panic. It is not at all like falling asleep. Symptoms are not immediately reversed after returning to breathing normal air. I did not see any hallucinations.

wouldn't it be the same with all the methods that require oxygen deprivation?
I have heard the same from SN (fast heartbeat).
Depending on the concentration of CO, I think it might happen also with that.
I don't know with the escape bag.

In principle with CO2, if one is using the same principle of shallow water blackout, he might pass out faster when deprived from oxygen.

Beside this, did you have a sense of suffocation?

 

[willitpass]

i'm very interested in this method, i hope more investigation will prove this a viable method for me. it seems very readily available

 

[SoDead]

Beside this, did you have a sense of suffocation?

Hard to say. I started to breathe faster and deeper, so perhaps organism considers this as suffocation. However it feels like something else.

wouldn't it be the same with all the methods that require oxygen deprivation?

May be. I tried to experiment with a refrigerant which is relatively inert, it was not nice too. If some gas with narcotic properties (like N2O) is used and its concentration rises slowly so that narcosis occurs before there is no oxygen in the air, it may be nicer, though I am not sure, do not know how does it feel to go under surgical anesthesia.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

probably you are right about the suffocation.
you should pass out before you feel the need of breathing hard. I think about the casual deaths with CO.
Instead the fast heartbeat is probably experienced in all the methods, if done right probably after losing consciousness.

Surgical anesthesia: it's quite nice. You don't even realize that you are getting anesthetized. One second you are still awake, hours later you wake up suddenly in another place, without knowing at all what happened and when you lost consciousness. There are no dreams, you don't hear or feel anything. No sense of time.

 

[Hateyouprolife]

probably you are right about the suffocation.
you should pass out before you feel the need of breathing hard. I think about the casual deaths with CO.
Instead the fast heartbeat is probably experienced in all the methods, if done right probably after losing consciousness.

Surgical anesthesia: it's quite nice. You don't even realize that you are getting anesthetized. One second you are still awake, hours later you wake up suddenly in another place, without knowing at all what happened and when you lost consciousness. There are no dreams, you don't hear or feel anything. No sense of time.

Anesthesia is my favourite part about this method. I wonder, why it is used so rarely? Lack of enough data?

 

[Itsallover123]

I've been trying partial hanging/night night for over a week but was never even able to make myself dizzy. Didn't want to cut myself and risk just straight up missing arteries, and also because I can't stand the thought of cutting into myself. I tried to suffocate myself twice in a plastic bag but barely lasted a minute; I at least tried to hyperventilate before in hopes of passing out but never got it right. Didn't want to mess with pills/substances either because those are very unreliable in my opinion. So I felt pretty defeated until I found a thread here discussing an article about a guy who committed suicide by mixing citric acid and baking soda in a plastic bag. It was presumed that the reaction produced enough carbon dioxide for immediate loss of consciousness, and there was no sign of struggle either. The cups weren't even knocked over.

Here's the article

This reaction works with presumably most acids + sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), so I decided to just use vinegar. Someone mentioned this method for euthanizing pets painlessly, doing the math that 1 tablespoon of sodium bicarbonate + 1 cup of vinegar would produce a gallon of CO2. Another recommends that a concentration of about 25% CO2 is recommended for instant loss of consciousness, so I did the math to fill my 13 gallon trash bag with 3.25 gallons of CO2, exactly 25% concentration. 3.25 tablespoons of baking soda and 3.25 cups of vinegar + some extra just to be sure. Looking back on this, I think this might be overkill but you might as well be sure.

I had never gotten much anxiety when attempting partial hanging or plastic bag suffocation, but when preparing for this method my heart was beating out of my chest. I think mainly because I was much more sure this would work. I got a big mixing bowl with the baking soda and a water bottle with the vinegar, put them into the plastic bag and taped it around my head. I didn't put my hands in there but I underestimated how difficult it would be to actually pick up the bottle, so I just squeezed it so the vinegar would pour out onto the soda.

I get most of it in and the reaction starts fizzing. I probably didn't set this up in the best way to avoid survival instincts but I rushed it a little and didn't think it through too well. First of all, my face was directly over the bubbling cauldron of death that was this bowl of baking soda and vinegar. The smell wasn't nice either. I'm already starting to panic and reach to rip the bag off of my head, as I do so the sound of the fizzing starts to warp and distort, and my vision starts filling with colorful vibrating dots. This sends me into overdrive and I dig my fingers through the bag and pull it off of my head. The bag appears to stretch way more than it should, like it was a dozen feet longer than normal. As I get it off all I can hear is a strange pulsing sound all around me, but very electrical and distorted like I was inside of a tesla coil. My head felt fuzzy and my vision was noisy and filled with colorful dots that rapidly contracted and expanded. This lasted for almost a minute and for the next 20 I was still seeing a decent amount of noise. For the rest of the day I still saw dots and colors in the dark.

Here are some things I noted:

• There was quite a bit of sediment at the bottom of the bowl, meaning to me that most of the soda didn't even react with the vinegar. Maybe I'm wrong and this sediment is normal but I'm thinking stirring the solution will speed up the reaction and make me lose consciousness much faster.
• There was no pain at all even when I began to hallucinate.
• It only took about 5 seconds for me to begin hallucinating, so I think a couple of seconds more would have sealed my fate for good.

What are your thoughts on this? I believe this to be an extremely promising method. It's basically guranteed that will die with the only obstacle being SI, but that applies even to SN methods.

so theoretically all I would have to do is put baking soda in a bottle, squeeze the air out, pour in vinegar and quickly put a balloon on the lid, set up for partial hanging, remove all air from my lungs and wait until I can't hold it anymore, breathe in the balloon, and I'd be gone

 

[Hateyouprolife]

Wait a little longer and you get the info.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

Anesthesia is my favourite part about this method. I wonder, why it is used so rarely? Lack of enough data?

which method? N2O? I assume this gas is not easily accessible to people.
I think that once I have read in a thread that anesthesiologists have a high suicide rate, probably because they have access to the most peaceful methods

 

[Hateyouprolife]

which method? N2O? I assume this gas is not easily accessible to people.
I think that once I have read in a thread that anesthesiologists have a high suicide rate, probably because they have access to the most peaceful methods

I mean CO2 is also anesthetix

 

[$nowLeopard]

Heh, I put baking soda + white vinegar in a plastic bottle, quickly close it, the bottle puffs up and the pressure inside it increases. After some time I open it and quickly inhale the gas (pure CO2). After I inhale the gas, I hold my breath for a bit and afterwords I bag breath for a while (well not really bag breathing, I hold my hands forming a tight seal over my hands and mouth, like a C shape, allowing very little air in; same result as bag breathing. I also do this with a towel in my hands, same but more effective constricting a better amount of air), constricting my breath. At first it's pretty hard, but afterwards it gets easier and feels like a spiritual experience, I have to try and remain calm and take controlled breaths, and accept any discomfort. I do this for a solid 10 minutes.
My forehead gets extremely sweaty, and I mean really sweaty, and it's not from exertion, I read that it's part of CO2s function in the body.

Anyway, some time after I do this I feel extreme calmness. It helps with my insomnia. Previously it also helped with my Dyspnea (when I had it)

Carbon DiOxide (CO2) is not the same as Carbon Monoxide, the former is produced within the body in small amounts as part of Glucose Oxidation. However, in an unhealthy individual Glucose Oxidation is impaired (Hypothyroidism (which is more common then you are lead to believe, about a third of Americans have some degree of Hypothyroidism, a third of depressives of Hypothyroidism, 1/4 of Insomniacs have Hypothyroidism etc.), illness, general Mitochondria under-activity/Hypometabolism), and so the body takes more inefficient routes to Oxidise Glucose; in these routes CO2 is not produced as a byproduct of Glucose Oxidation, so blood CO2 levels are lowered in an unhealthy individual like this.

What was described should effectively raise blood CO2 levels, helping the body.

 

[Hateyouprolife]

i'm very interested in this method, i hope more investigation will prove this a viable method for me. it seems very readily available

Hah. So time to reveal a secret. Im gonna try this soon. Citric acid, bags, rope, rubber all have been already bought. This is scledued post from wednesday, it should appear on saturday morning. Should I log in after Saturday but not post anything, you know this worked. Gonna leave my phone open so if they find me and log in, they unintentionally confirm this method working.

 

[cambrai33]

Hah. So time to reveal a secret. Im gonna try this soon. Citric acid, bags, rope, rubber all have been already bought. This is scledued post from wednesday, it should appear on saturday morning. Should I log in after Saturday but not post anything, you know this worked. Gonna leave my phone open so if they find me and log in, they unintentionally confirm this method working.

I see you were online not long ago

How did it all pan out in the end? Glad you are here though?

 

[Joker]

Hello folks I read about nitrite sodium NaNo2 method. Anyone knows if It Easy to get It. I found filmerine on a quite common and commercial website but It Is out of stock. does anyone knows where I can buy it? Thanks

 

[setup]

Hello folks I read about nitrite sodium NaNo2 method. Anyone knows if It Easy to get It. I found filmerine on a quite common and commercial website but It Is out of stock. does anyone knows where I can buy it? Thanks

Easy if ur in the states

 

[Joker]

Thanks a lot. [] has what I was looking for