A Press Release and Commenting on Recent Events

[Meretlein]

Shutting down SS would be like cutting a branch off of a tree and calling it "success". SS exists because the system in place locks us up without trial for what we may or may not do to our own bodies. SS exists because suicidal people lose our voice, autonomy, and dignity if we admit to being suicidal publicly. Kelli says we hide because we are scared of the "justice", we hide because society treats us like a non person if we come out as suicidal.

SS exists because people have a right to control their own person, body, and conscious experience. Those are the few things we truly own in life. Throttling the conversation will not work, the attempt at doing so is what created the incentive to create and join communities like SS.

 

[DeadButDreaming]

perhaps it's best to say goodbye through private message. I have to say I find it uncomfortable reading all the 'good luck' posts. It just adds fuel to the fire for the pro lifers, so let's put a ban on goodbye posts.

As sad as it sounds, some people here communicate with no one outside this forum. It is important to them to bid farewell to the only people they communicate with.

I suppose goodbye threads could be deleted after 24 or 36 hours, but I don't like the idea of deleting them at any time. Apparently in this case they found the site on the boy's phone. It isn't as obvious how to delete your search history on a phone as it is a pc.

 

[x~Sophia~x]

As sad as it sounds, some people here communicate with no one outside this forum. It is important to them to bid farewell to the only people they communicate with.

I suppose goodbye threads could be deleted after 24 or 36 hours, but I don't like the idea of deleting them at any time. Apparently in this case they found the site on the boy's phone. It isn't as obvious how to delete your search history on a phone as it is a pc.

Members can just as easily bid farewell to the members they want to, by private messages.
Some of the responses to these goodbye threads can be seen as encouraging them to ctb.

 

[BlackCatTalk]

I almost cried when I saw that the site was gone, a bad day of mine but ... F God! What happens to those people? Why don't they stop chasing the site? Wow! What they do is only a reflection of the reasons why their relative committed suicide, please put aside the absurd judgments, most of the people here just want peace, what is wrong with that? Thanks admins for not dropping SS, I am in favor of the site and my heart can feel peace tonight because the site is still here.
thanks thanks thanks

 

[FarAcrossTheWater]

Sharon's tweet for those not in the loop.



Personally I am outraged. We drive no one to suicide. I have repeatedly talked about killing myself yet no one has encouraged me to do so. People have actually asked me to reconsider. We do not commit suicide on their behalf. People might find the means to commit suicide here but in no way, shape, or form do we encourage suicide. We do not manufacture the conditions for suicide. I have been hospitalized for being a danger to myself and this website has given me hope to continue living knowing that there are others like me. Do you know what happens when I talk about suicide? People drop me. I have lost countless friends who are uncomfortable with me being "mentally ill and not having my shit together". This is the only place where I feel like I can be accepted for how awful life has treated me. No one really wants to actually deal with suicidal people. I am becoming increasingly isolated as my life falls apart. Some "friends" actually told me that I was just attention-seeking and decided to drop me.

You also have to admit sometime one's life is so brutal they need to end it on their own terms. I am a suicidal man with very little live for. My life is constant pain. I have no future. I have been hooked up all types of powerful drugs and been through a lifetime of therapy. Is it truly a tragedy when the pain stops? Loved ones will suffer but if they truly loved the person they will understand the pain he or she went through. If you want to truly stop suicide, do not silence this community (which has saved my life with candid discussions of suicide), seek to correct the conditions that make life a living hell.

 

[ClairyFairy]

I would hate for people to blame my mum when I've gone. My dad yeah but not my mum. It's hard to see

 

[FarAcrossTheWater]

I would hate for people to blame my mum when I've gone. My dad yeah but not my mum. It's hard to see

Make no mistake about it. It hurts the families. We don't know if we should blame the mom but to blame us when we didn't cause the condition for his suicide is preposterous.

 

[Makko]

Sharon's tweet for those not in the loop.



Personally I am outraged. We drive no one to suicide. I have repeatedly talked about killing myself yet no one has encouraged me to do so. People have actually asked me to reconsider. We do not commit suicide on their behalf. People might find the means to commit suicide here but in no way, shape, or form do we encourage suicide. We do not manufacture the conditions for suicide. I have been hospitalized for being a danger to myself and this website has given me hope to continue living knowing that there are others like me. Do you know what happens when I talk about suicide? People drop me. I have lost countless friends who are uncomfortable with me being "mentally ill and not having my shit together". This is the only place where I feel like I can be accepted for how awful life has treated me. No one really wants to actually deal with suicidal people. I am becoming increasingly isolated as my life falls apart. Some "friends" actually told me that I was just attention-seeking and decided to drop me.

You also have to admit sometime one's life is so brutal they need to end it on their own terms. I am a suicidal man with very little live for. My life is constant pain. I have no future. I have been hooked up all types of powerful drugs and been through a lifetime of therapy. Is it truly a tragedy when the pain stops? Loved ones will suffer but if they truly loved the person they will understand the pain he or she went through. If you want to truly stop suicide, do not silence this community (which has saved my life with candid discussions of suicide), seek to correct the conditions that make life a living hell.

The tweet is very obviously the words of someone who just needs something to direct her emotions at. It can't be denied that this site is a very good scapegoat because the things that actually mattered to the one who committed suicide are extremely difficult for other people to define, grasp, and take responsibility for.

On the surface I'm a very happy person. I have more things "in order" and "going for me" than most others. If I kill myself, it will be seen as a lightning from a clear sky, even to the people closest to me. They think they know me well and have me figured out. They really, really don't. The most delusional of all are of course my parents. Many modern parents would be shocked to find out just how little they know about their children.

 

[Life_and_Death]

Sharon's tweet for those not in the loop.

I'm sorry to those that have passed. You should be resting

 

[LastFlowers]

For most of us, this community is the only place of support. We spend a lot of time here and for many of us, this place means everything to us. We receive more empathy, compassion and understanding in this community than anywhere else, due to the strong stigma around the subject of suicide. And for some, me included, this community is like a second family. So it's only valid if people want to say 'Goodbye, I'm leaving', because just disappearing forever without any notice would be kinda weird and it would also feel wrong to me. And there is another aspect: some people simply appreciate the emotional support they receive from this community in their final moments. It's comforting for some members because a shitload of people in this place, and again I'm one of them, have been lonely and isolated their entire life. So it's understandable if these people at least don't want to die lonely.

I agree, I think it would be cruel to some individuals to strip them of that, when their intentions are genuine and they have no one. Although I see the point the other member is making, for the sake of protecting this site, and the fact that there are some attention seekers who abuse the idea behind a goodbye thread.
I, for one, will not be making such a thread, at least, I hope I can abstain from such.
It's just not for me, even though I am alone and filled with endless things to say. I also don't want to draw attention to myself, incase the proclamation bites me in the ass by becoming a red flag to anyone I know, who may somehow possibly stumble upon this site. I value anonymity and it's pretty much the only way I have ever engaged with people on the internet. No one I know would have reason to seek out this site, but I fear that the method of SN is highly associated and anyone who uses that method (which I plan on doing) could possibly leave a trail to this place. I've said this before, but even if I remove the labels from the bottle, etc, they are still eventually going to find out the cause of death. If people would just leave us alone, we wouldn't have to keep restricting ourselves further and bending over backwards for people who refuse to open their eyes.

It would be a good way to stop all minors, even if you have to post a photo of your identity card

Hell no. No one would be left on this site, besides the people who already use their real picture, which makes no sense, unless they are here for the wrong reasons. Though I usually assume any avatar of a real person is not actually them.
To require a picture of one's ID would be an unfair request and a dangerous one.
I don't even show my face in general, nevermind here. That's just asking for it, the pro-lifers already want to dox us and force us out of "hiding" as they so often taunt.

I would hate for people to blame my mum when I've gone. My dad yeah but not my mum. It's hard to see

If my parents pulled this shit, I would have nothing to say in their defense. But I suppose I also would not appreciate members keeping the conversation about me going or digging through my past and using publicized information to find even deeper intel. I'm a nobody but it's still scary.
However, the parents are choosing to out the identity (and more) of their own children. Unless their kids were exhibitionists, I doubt they would appreciate how far things have been taken. And it's not like anyone sought them out to mess with them, everything I've seen has been in retaliation, perhaps some in poor form, but I really have nothing to say in favor of these people after what I've seen from them. They have been just as vile as even the more questionable things some members have thrown at them.
They are bullies.

 

[Sherri]

Considering the enormous public pressure and the ongoing unwanted attention from people with ill intentions I think this is the right decision.

Me too Rain. This was such a sudden thing, you doing always a good job. Thank you.

 

[LittleBabyNothing]

So much respect and thanks to all the mods of SS! It is my safe place and it keeps me going... i'm even attempting recovery again... 3 months ago when i found this community i was certain on ending my life as soon as possible. With the conversations and support here, i'm still going, still trying.
Thank you SS community.

 

[TessB]

Members can just as easily bid farewell to the members they want to, by private messages.
Some of the responses to these goodbye threads can be seen as encouraging them to ctb.

It's probably just me! But I think the goodbye threads are part of what makes ss special. It just illustrates a completely different attitude to ctb than any other place.. where someone's decision can be respected and supported. I've seen threads where people want to feel group support around them in their last moments and of course they could pm their close friends for this, but I think the supportive voices of strangers from the site mean a lot too. Also I think many members in their last moments particularly when using SN, want to help others by documenting the physical effects of the drug, knowing that sharing that information helps others making their own decision about methods. I've definitely gone through goodbye threads to see what was said about how taking SN actually feels physically.
Also I just feel like the goodbye threads are fitting memorials for these brave people .

 

[demuic]

Sharon's tweet for those not in the loop.



Personally I am outraged. We drive no one to suicide. I have repeatedly talked about killing myself yet no one has encouraged me to do so. People have actually asked me to reconsider. We do not commit suicide on their behalf. People might find the means to commit suicide here but in no way, shape, or form do we encourage suicide. We do not manufacture the conditions for suicide. I have been hospitalized for being a danger to myself and this website has given me hope to continue living knowing that there are others like me. Do you know what happens when I talk about suicide? People drop me. I have lost countless friends who are uncomfortable with me being "mentally ill and not having my shit together". This is the only place where I feel like I can be accepted for how awful life has treated me. No one really wants to actually deal with suicidal people. I am becoming increasingly isolated as my life falls apart. Some "friends" actually told me that I was just attention-seeking and decided to drop me.

You also have to admit sometime one's life is so brutal they need to end it on their own terms. I am a suicidal man with very little live for. My life is constant pain. I have no future. I have been hooked up all types of powerful drugs and been through a lifetime of therapy. Is it truly a tragedy when the pain stops? Loved ones will suffer but if they truly loved the person they will understand the pain he or she went through. If you want to truly stop suicide, do not silence this community (which has saved my life with candid discussions of suicide), seek to correct the conditions that make life a living hell.

Exactly..... They never want to acknowledge how society actually treats suicidal people. They are shunned, mocked, alienated, and belittled when they are open about their feelings, told to stop whining, that's life, and other useless platitudes by people who will never understand how they're feeling. Then they are gaslighted and have their rights stripped away by the mental health establishment and told all their problems stem from their head instead of there also being material and rational reasons for why someone would no longer want to live. All of this rushing to shut down SS is a prime example of how society does not care about suicidal people, they are only willing to perform meaningless gestures of virtue signalling instead of acknowledging that for some life is hell, and trying to do literally anything to make it more bearable for people.

The tweet is very obviously the words of someone who just needs something to direct her emotions at. It can't be denied that this site is a very good scapegoat because the things that actually mattered to the one who committed suicide are extremely difficult for other people to define, grasp, and take responsibility for.

On the surface I'm a very happy person. I have more things "in order" and "going for me" than most others. If I kill myself, it will be seen as a lightning from a clear sky, even to the people closest to me. They think they know me well and have me figured out. They really, really don't. The most delusional of all are of course my parents. Many modern parents would be shocked to find out just how little they know about their children.

Yes, there are a lot wrong with parents like this. So many of them allow the internet, social media, and tv to parent them their whole lives instead of parenting them themselves then wonder where things went wrong. It is up to parents to ensure their children aren't doing things they shouldn't, and providing an open line of communication to feel like they can talk to them, you don't restrict the rights of grown adults because your child did something they weren't supposed to (accessing an 18+ site).

 

[TessB]

Jackie being smug...

 

[FarAcrossTheWater]

Guess how many of them would be willing to handle suicidal people.

 

[RainAndSadness]

On the surface I'm a very happy person. I have more things "in order" and "going for me" than most others. If I kill myself, it will be seen as a lightning from a clear sky, even to the people closest to me. They think they know me well and have me figured out. They really, really don't. The most delusional of all are of course my parents. Many modern parents would be shocked to find out just how little they know about their children.

You're right. Even most abusive parents would probably say that they are, in some way or another, good people. It's called cognitive dissonance. Most parents simply don't want to realize that they're bad parents - and I know that first hand from my own parents, they were absolutely horrible. And there are so many signs that these young people that died, which made it into the news, didn't have such a romantic relationship to their parents as their parents claim to have had. For example, Joe said in this forum that he received "no family love", which is one of the reasons why he was ready to leave, according to his own words. This completely contradicts the story of his mother. Jackie knew about the struggles of her daughter for many years, Shawn even said on several occassions, according to the articles I've read that she doesn't want to live - repeatedly. That's a clear expression for suicide ideation but it doesn't seem that these remarks were taken seriously. If they were, I'm sure the parents would have been more careful with Shawns internet activity and what she received via mail. Furthermore, I also found a Youtube account of Jr, Kellys son, with a playlist that contains videos about abusive, narcissistic parents - oddly specific for someone who committed suicide. All of these signs hint to very difficult parent-children relationships behind closed doors. And maybe that's where we should put our focus on, parenting - not on a forum dedicated to struggles of autonomous, consenting adults. And it would make sense - happy people don't kill themselves. These young people were obviously struggling, probably felt alone in their suffering, didn't receive the support they needed and as a result, committed suicide. SS played no role in these development because ALL of them registered in the forum when they were already very confident about their intention to leave. They were sincerely suicidal. The decision was already made before the registered and most of these young people weren't active for a very long time in this forum. Joe and Shawn only wrote a few posts in this forum and immediately left. They didn't waste any time. So, considering all these factors, it's insane that these parents blame us. They were supposed to do the parenting. They were around their children 24/7. They should have picked up on these signs. Yet they blame us, they shift their responsibility which they had as parents, to this community which is outright offensive to me. These people aren't self-aware at all, they're in complete denial about the reality. They sincerely believe they aren't responsible for this outcome, yet somehow we are - more than them? Strangers on the internet, that's wild. So yeah, terrible parents have a very difficult time acknowledging that they're terrible. I'm not saying they were but there are strong hints in these cases that things weren't as perfect as these parents say and it's likely most of these young people I mentioned would have found death without SS, as tragic as it sounds.

You know, my own mother laughed into my face when I told her that I'm depressed. She didn't give a fuck about me, yet she sincerely believes she was probably a good parent. When I went through severe neglect when I was a young child. I didn't receive the appropriate love and care and it fucked me up, longterm. I'm certain my BPD developed as a result of the awful experiences I had as a child. BPD is linked to child abuse or neglect, so my parents are indirectly responsible for this very difficult mental health condition, which is making my life a nightmare. So my own parents are a major reason why I'm suffering so much today and they don't even know. I'm sure the parents that are so vocal about SS belong in a very similar category. And I think they are a very good example as to why anti-natalism should be a more known philosophy. It's all about harmful parents.

 

[FarAcrossTheWater]

Why the fuck is this movement being led by Karens?

 

[Sherri]

You're right. Even most abusive parents would probably say that they are, in some way or another, good people. It's called cognitive dissonance. Most parents simply don't want to realize that they're bad parents - and I know that first hand from my own parents, they were absolutely horrible. And there are so many signs that these young people that died, which made it into the news, didn't have such a romantic relationship to their parents as their parents claim to have had. For example, Joe said in this forum that he received "no family love", which is one of the reasons why he was ready to leave, according to his own words. This completely contradicts the story of his mother. Jackie knew about the struggles of her daughter for many years, Shawn even said on several occassions, according to the articles I've read that she doesn't want to live - repeatedly. That's a clear expression for suicide ideation but it doesn't seem that these remarks were taken seriously. If they were, I'm sure the parents would have been more careful with Shawns internet activity and what she received via mail. Furthermore, I also found a Youtube account of Jr, Kellys son, with a playlist that contains videos about abusive, narcissistic parents - oddly specific for someone who committed suicide. All of these signs hint to very difficult parent-children relationships behind closed doors. And maybe that's where we should put our focus on, parenting - not on a forum dedicated to struggles of autonomous, consenting adults. And it would make sense - happy people don't kill themselves. These young people were obviously struggling, probably felt alone in their suffering, didn't receive the support they needed and as a result, committed suicide. SS played no role in these development because ALL of them registered in the forum when they were already very confident about their intention to leave. They were sincerely suicidal. The decision was already made before the registered and most of these young people weren't active for a very long time in this forum. Joe and Shawn only wrote a few posts in this forum and immediately left. They didn't waste any time. So, considering all these factors, it's insane that these parents blame us. They were supposed to do the parenting. They were around their children 24/7. They should have picked up on these signs. Yet they blame us, they shift their responsibility which they had as parents, to this community which is outright offensive to me. These people aren't self-aware at all, they're in complete denial about the reality. They sincerely believe they aren't responsible for this outcome, yet somehow we are - more than them? Strangers on the internet, that's wild. So yeah, terrible parents have a very difficult time acknowledging that they're terrible. I'm not saying they were but there are strong hints in these cases that things weren't as perfect as these parents say and it's likely most of these young people I mentioned would have found death without SS.

You know, my own mother laughed into my face when I told her that I'm depressed. She didn't give a fuck about me, yet she sincerely believes she was probably a good parent. When I went through severe neglect when I was a young child. I didn't receive the appropriate love and care and it fucked me up, longterm. I'm certain my BPD developed as a result of the awful experiences I had as a child. BPD is linked to child abuse or neglect, so my parents are indirectly responsible for this very difficult mental health condition, which is making my life a nightmare. So my own parents are a major reason why I'm suffering so much today and they don't even know. I'm sure the parents that are so vocal about SS belong in a very similar category. And I think they are a very good example as to why anti-natalism should be a more known philosophy. It's all about harmful parents.

Same Rain, my parents said I was a bum, and there was no such thing as depression. That I was just being lazy, despite 7 suicide attempts. That all I needed was Jesus and he would heal me. I ran when I became old enough and never looked back. Everything I have now is due to my hard work. And friends who gave me shelter when I left that toxic environment. This site saved my life.

 

[Life_and_Death]

Why the fuck is this movement being lead by Karens?

I think you answered your own question lol. Because theyre karens. Who else is going to do it as good as them? The worse part is how quickly these people would turn on their own for having a different thought.

 

[Varstraben]

Jackie being smug...View attachment 59406

Hum... it remind me the series South park, when Sheila Broflovski want to shutdown everything she don't like.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

Why the fuck is this movement being lead by Karens?

1. Karens lack the ability to realize when something is their fault (child becoming suicidal is the parents' fault since they chose to have children and not provide enough love and resources to them).

2. Karens are too stupid to realize that this site prevents suicides, or at least prevents failed suicides leading to a lifetime of extreme suffering and that it's a net positive influence for ss to exist.

3. Karens respond with anger rather than sadness and introspection when faced with psychological damage.

 

[SadJessu]

Thank you for keeping the site up and running, it's been my go to for when times get bad. I'm deeply sorry to the mum who lost her child, I can't imagine what that's like. I've always been 'pro-life'for every one except myself, ha. Though I understand that others need a place with no judgement, and no one to impose their beliefs on them. The Samaritans in the UK, contrary to popular belief, are meant to operate in a similar manner.

 

[FarAcrossTheWater]

1. Karens lack the ability to realize when something is their fault (child becoming suicidal is the parents' fault since they chose to have children and not provide enough love and resources to them).

2. Karens are too stupid to realize that this site prevents suicides, or at least prevents failed suicides leading to a lifetime of extreme suffering and that it's a net positive influence for ss to exist.

3. Karens respond with anger rather than sadness and introspection when faced with psychological damage.

1. It's not always the parent's fault that the kid turns suicidal. I have great parents but I ended up suicidal.
2. This site does lead to suicide but that isnt a bad thing. Life is brutal. If there's a life that we know where all the person can do is suffer then it's not a bad thing to die. This site does indeed save lives. It breaks the taboo around suicide.
3. Fuck Karens but these are moms who care. They are losing kids who might indeed have been saved. Maybe some of them did have solvable problems. Maybe they were in irreparable pain. We don't know. However, I do wonder if this is trendy and lazy activism. Will we see them making inroads to combating the root of the problem - the pain of living? Will they go out of their way to prevent suicide? Or is this just a lazy attempt to make themselves feel better without meeting the source of suicide head-on? How many of them will just post suicide hotline numbers and never follow up on doing things - actual things way after this. Will they continue to scapegoat this site and pat themselves on the back because "they did a good thing and beat the bad man". I bet all of them would run away when confronted with the reality of a suicidal person who has very little to live for. Give me a fucking break Karen.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

1. It's not always the parent's fault that the kid turns suicidal. I have great parents but I ended up suicidal.

I think I have good (kind would be a better word, they did produce a completely dependent manchild, so maybe not great parenting) parents, too, compared to the average parent in this day and age. But let me ask you this: if they didn't give birth to you, would you have suffered and would you be suicidal?

 

[FarAcrossTheWater]

I think I have good (kind would be a better word, they did produce a completely dependent manchild, so maybe not great parenting) parents, too, compared to the average parent in this day and age. But let me ask you this: if they didn't give birth to you, would you have suffered and would you be suicidal?

That's not fair. They didn't choose have a suicidal child. Plenty of people end up happy. By the luck of the draw, I am a suicidal man with very little to live for.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

That's not fair. They didn't choose have a suicidal child. Plenty of people end up happy. By the luck of the draw, I am a suicidal man with very little to live for.

Well, they did gamble by having children. "Oh, it's just a one in (ten, twenty?) chance that my child will feel so bad that he wants to take fucking kill himself whilst living in loneliness/poverty/dependence/depression/etc/etc, well I'll gamble, it seems like FUN and I get to CUM!"

 

[FarAcrossTheWater]

Well, they did gamble by having children. "Oh, it's just a one in (ten, twenty?) chance that my child will feel so bad that he wants to take fucking kill himself whilst living in loneliness/poverty/dependence/depression/etc/etc, well I'll gamble, it seems like FUN and I get to CUM!"

I mean everything you do has a chance to produce fucked up people. There are plenty of people that are happy. One in ten/twenty isn't so bad.

 

[Life_and_Death]

That's not fair. They didn't choose have a suicidal child. Plenty of people end up happy. By the luck of the draw, I am a suicidal man with very little to live for.

That's why I didn't respond to them. It was going to be met with an antinatalist comment because apparently everyone's the exact same and everyone has a shitty life and these people feel they can speak for everyone and not change their views but expect you to.

No one can speak for anyone but themselves.

And no @GenesAndEnvironment I'm not talking specifically about you except for the last part about talking for others

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

I mean everything you do has a chance to produce fucked up people. There are plenty of people that are happy. One in ten/twenty isn't so bad.

Hypothetical question: one person gets skinned alive but that means 100 people get to enjoy an extremely nice meal and orgasm, would you be for this situation existing?