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BitterlyAlive_
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- Dec 8, 2020
- 2,394
Thank you. I like it.
RainAndSadness
Administrator
- Jun 12, 2018
- 2,083
Considering the enormous public pressure and the ongoing unwanted attention from people with ill intentions I think this is the right decision.
omoidarui
Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ
- Apr 30, 2019
- 993
If this forum is to the point we need to make difficult decisions to survive, I would far rather negotiate this aspect of the site than begin to gatekeep on the Right to Die. I just feel that Goodbyes strictly being kept to PM only are an unfortunate but relatively small compromise when weighted against the negatives of allowing blogged suicide attempts on the open forum - the emotional impact on families who read them, the potential for the criminal law to be broken if someone poorly words a reply as encouragement, and site downtime following external scrutiny. With this suggestion you can still say goodbyes but not in the particular way done currently; I didn't want to suggest this and only did because this forum's existence in the long run does mean a lot to me too. I realise this probably won't be implemented at this point but hope if/when the board re-opens to the public (in however long!) it will be considered.
MrAsclepius
Грустная Сука
- Jul 31, 2020
- 212
So and so. Time again is unfortunate. Right to die are strong people. We deal with far worse day to day in our lives. Try as they might, concerned won't tamper with us so, atleast not without defense. I don't believe in war, but if the people I consider home are threatened, I will not sit idle. Be peaceful and do not give up.
Goodluck.
Goodluck.
Thinking
Specialist
- Jul 9, 2020
- 310
I just want say that this site made me consider all angles and aspects of suicide, so I wouldn't do it impulsively. The community is really so supportive and this is an open place where we can talk about the ctb without receiving a panicked reaction.
Shero
Experienced
- Dec 19, 2019
- 274
I have nothing, im a lonely individual that is really scared to lose this place here.
It's the only place that keeps me somewhat stable. It frightens me to see how fast everything is moving and how distraught I was when I didn't knew how to reach the new domain. Or if I could access the site at all, because I don't have any contacts here.
It's the only place that keeps me somewhat stable. It frightens me to see how fast everything is moving and how distraught I was when I didn't knew how to reach the new domain. Or if I could access the site at all, because I don't have any contacts here.
Thanks for keeping the website active! Those people that are trying to take it down will never understand what it means to be suffering for painful health conditions almost every day, without any relief from available medications.
Here I've read of multiple people, like me, that have been neglected or bullied by doctors until their suffering made their life miserable. As many of them, I come here to make my escape plan that I will follow if my burden will become too intolerable.
Why should society negate to me my right to die and condemn me to live alone and in pain until I die naturally? That's torture, pure sadism.
If a minor has entered the website, despite the warnings that it's not suitable to minors, there is simply no excuse to bad parenting. Internet is full of websites that shouldn't be viewed by minors. If the child was vulnerable, parents should have been more attentive. The website is clear about its content and the title too. It's not called "candy store" or "game room".
I can understand the requests to close the website only once every health system of every nation will be able to offer a voluntary assisted death, as it already happens in a very few countries. If they really want to protect their children, that's the only way. If a medically assisted death is not allowed by law, people will keep planning and talking about suicide.
Here I've read of multiple people, like me, that have been neglected or bullied by doctors until their suffering made their life miserable. As many of them, I come here to make my escape plan that I will follow if my burden will become too intolerable.
Why should society negate to me my right to die and condemn me to live alone and in pain until I die naturally? That's torture, pure sadism.
If a minor has entered the website, despite the warnings that it's not suitable to minors, there is simply no excuse to bad parenting. Internet is full of websites that shouldn't be viewed by minors. If the child was vulnerable, parents should have been more attentive. The website is clear about its content and the title too. It's not called "candy store" or "game room".
I can understand the requests to close the website only once every health system of every nation will be able to offer a voluntary assisted death, as it already happens in a very few countries. If they really want to protect their children, that's the only way. If a medically assisted death is not allowed by law, people will keep planning and talking about suicide.
Maybe fucking Sharon should realize that it's her fault she lost her son, not ours. It is not our responsibility she failed the basic principles of being a parent
Best answer here!!! I totally agree!
We shouldn't let ourselves get scared because parents are incapable to look after their vulnerable kids.
Nobody who is just suffering a bit or has a normal existential crisis is staying on this forum with suicidal intentions.
If we need exchange of information for exit that might be crucial for the likelihood if it is going to be peaceful and without damaged survival we can't let people with undifferiantiated thinking and anger take that right away from us.
It is just this tiny space we have when there are dozens of offers for clinics etc. for whatever illness.
The "you have to live under whatever condition" - ideology is so necessitate and inhumane!
I would never ever dispute or reject the right to live of anyone and so I claim my right to decide to end my own life in the most peaceful and secure way available.
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A parent blaming this website for their child's death is further showing how little they understood their child
Im sorry but even if you had a conversation with her son its not your place to make that kind of judgement about her parenting because quite simply you dont have ALL of the information (even if you think you do) because the complexities of suicide are many .... observers looking in from the outside never do ... even when the life is on display.
Comments like that do nothing to further the pro choice debate ... and merely reinforce the animosity towards this site as being justified .. and worse, it does nothing to honour the life and death of the young man who made the decision to end his life.
Thanks for keeping this website up. I'm tired of ppl who don't understand what it is like to suffer. I've been depressed since I was a kid and lonely my whole life. I first joined the community on reddit but they took it down so I manage to find this place. I feel less lonely now that I know there are others who are struggling. Thank you.
I can tell you that if I had loving parents who cared about my mental health, I would not be on this site.
Causes for suicide are many. Yet the act itself is heavily influenced by those close to you. Hundreds of people on SS have shared that the only reasons they're alive is because of their friends or family.
A parent is supposed to be involved in your life to a certain extent. The fact that she never saw it coming or any warning signs at all speaks volumes about her qualifications as one.
It's my place to make judgement when certain individuals like this mother are actively trying to take away the only safe haven for suicidal people. They don't think about how it would affect us - they just want their revenge and we are going to the ones who suffer the most. If you are determined to end your life, you can find plenty of peaceful methods on here, which grant you some dignity in your final moments. If we have it taken away, it won't prevent us from committing suicide. We will just utilise the other, agonising methods.
She is perfectly allowed to grief. I wish her boy finds eternal peace and may he forgive me from the grave for the words I'm speaking
But what Shannon is doing is awful, inhuman and cruel. I will not support her actions even for one second.
Avyn
Experienced
- Jan 27, 2021
- 228
Honestly I see those mothers as big Karens.
First of all this site is not for children, and we dont encourage anybody to commit suicide.
If their child killed themselves, there must be a reason why they did so. They cant blame our site for teaching children (we are an adult site) of ways to end their lives with. If their child is suicidal and ready to leave the world, it will not matter if they find our site or not, they would logically find any way to kill themselves. It is not too complicated to jump off a cliff, a bridge, hang yourself, drown, etc. you dont need our site to get this information.
I have been mainly using this to be able to freely express myself without getting judged by the community, and for information/educational purposes. I have found out a lot of useful facts from people here that I wouldnt have figured out anywhere else since these topics are heavily monitored and censored on almost every platform. We don't encourage suicide, we respect everybodys decision, even if they want to kill themselves and thats a big difference.
If your child attempted suicide, and succeeded then it is your fault as a parent that you cannot take care of your child properly. There must be a reason why your child has made this decision. The fact that she seems to be putting the blame on us shows me that she doesnt seem to be a very good parent.
I still hope that everybody that had to choose suicide as the way out is resting in peace.
First of all this site is not for children, and we dont encourage anybody to commit suicide.
If their child killed themselves, there must be a reason why they did so. They cant blame our site for teaching children (we are an adult site) of ways to end their lives with. If their child is suicidal and ready to leave the world, it will not matter if they find our site or not, they would logically find any way to kill themselves. It is not too complicated to jump off a cliff, a bridge, hang yourself, drown, etc. you dont need our site to get this information.
I have been mainly using this to be able to freely express myself without getting judged by the community, and for information/educational purposes. I have found out a lot of useful facts from people here that I wouldnt have figured out anywhere else since these topics are heavily monitored and censored on almost every platform. We don't encourage suicide, we respect everybodys decision, even if they want to kill themselves and thats a big difference.
If your child attempted suicide, and succeeded then it is your fault as a parent that you cannot take care of your child properly. There must be a reason why your child has made this decision. The fact that she seems to be putting the blame on us shows me that she doesnt seem to be a very good parent.
I still hope that everybody that had to choose suicide as the way out is resting in peace.
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Apathy79
Arcanist
- Oct 13, 2019
- 403
I understand the reasons for this but I really don't think it can work permanently. This site has a larger member turnover rate than basically any site. It needs new members coming in consistently to function. If no one except current members can see what's on the site, won't it just die on it's own in a year? I can't see a way around that.
@Marquis maybe we should look into a blackout until we can figure out what accounts they're using, because making everything sub only isnt going to work if they have accounts. They're screenshotting everything, putting user's names on full display and linking to user's social media accounts wherever they can. I've searched through the screenshots to see if I could catch anything that might suggest the user name but cant find it.
I am certainly not suggesting you accept or support her position to see the site shut down and I stand by my statement that you dont have the information to judge her parenting.
I fail to see how such a judgement supports this site in any way or furthers a conversation that promotes understanding of the potential benefits of autonomy in this decision.
In fact I believe it is a dangerous deflection from the pro choice conversation because it suggests a disregard for the very understanding and empathy anyone considering suicide as an option seeks via this site.
I would go further and suggest that rather than spitting back defensively it would benefit both sides to welcome a constructive conversation. I understand that this would be difficult as the issue is so emotive and complex and terrifying for many and understandably so.
I just truly believe that the reactive enmity doesnt help the cause and actually merely feeds into ft26 narrative where a more rational response would better support the SS pro choice ethos.
Water-Lily
Enlightened
- Dec 26, 2020
- 1,161
I just wanted to give my two cents here:
So, about the member who had committed suicide, we don't know much of the full story in how the parent was related. I don't believe it is always black and white. They could have been a loving parent who tried their best. They probably didn't see the signs or knew how to deal with things. I think it's important to give the benefit of the doubt. Though I do believe there are many terribly parents out there (I know from my own experince) for some parents they do try their hardest. So it isn't all black and white. Until we know for sure, it isn't fair to make assumptions. Regardless a parent lost their child and that is a lot of grief to process.
If the parent happens to come across this thread, just know that I am sorry for your loss *hugs*
So, about the member who had committed suicide, we don't know much of the full story in how the parent was related. I don't believe it is always black and white. They could have been a loving parent who tried their best. They probably didn't see the signs or knew how to deal with things. I think it's important to give the benefit of the doubt. Though I do believe there are many terribly parents out there (I know from my own experince) for some parents they do try their hardest. So it isn't all black and white. Until we know for sure, it isn't fair to make assumptions. Regardless a parent lost their child and that is a lot of grief to process.
If the parent happens to come across this thread, just know that I am sorry for your loss *hugs*
restforeternity
Student
- Feb 17, 2019
- 170
How can you make sure that people are being truthful about their age with regards to the application?
Dr Iron Arc
Into the Unknown
- Feb 10, 2020
- 18,900
Honestly I'm getting sick of them using the welfare of their children as an excuse to antagonize this community. There are plenty of ways to put parental blocks and block specific websites and even search terms from your wifi network if you don't want your kids to be exposed to them. Yeah maybe you won't stop them from using data or other public networks but at least that's still way more productive than going after the websites themselves.
Maybe if you sat with them and talked about why they were suicidal you might be able to keep them on this earth a little while longer.
When I was 19 I was more determined than ever to commit suicide because I was behind on all my schoolwork and failing my college classes. My mom who had no idea what was going on called me on the phone right when I was about to jump from the highest floor of my dorm building. She didn't know I wanted to commit suicide or even that anything was wrong with me but just talking with me was enough to get me to stop for the day. I later found out that I would not have been guaranteed to die from that fall but it doesn't matter, the point is I was supported through a tough time and that's what stopped me from making an impulsive decision.
My choice next year will be something planned out, better informed. There's nothing my mom or almost anyone could really say now to get me to stop. Even if I had never found this site, I already knew about SN from somebody mentioning it on 4chan when somebody else was saying that they were about to use bleach. Btw remember how lots of teens like to bully each other by telling them to "drink bleach"? Bleach is already a suicide method that's in almost every house. Only significant difference between it and something like SN is that it's more painful. These people don't care about peace though, so I guess the point is moot but still.
Anyway, sorry for the long post. Basically I'm saying that literally just being there for someone is the only real way to prevent suicide. Beyond that, it's all on them. Being receptive to hotlines, meds, and therapy is purely on them and no amount of Twitter yelling or site banning will ever change that.
Maybe if you sat with them and talked about why they were suicidal you might be able to keep them on this earth a little while longer.
When I was 19 I was more determined than ever to commit suicide because I was behind on all my schoolwork and failing my college classes. My mom who had no idea what was going on called me on the phone right when I was about to jump from the highest floor of my dorm building. She didn't know I wanted to commit suicide or even that anything was wrong with me but just talking with me was enough to get me to stop for the day. I later found out that I would not have been guaranteed to die from that fall but it doesn't matter, the point is I was supported through a tough time and that's what stopped me from making an impulsive decision.
My choice next year will be something planned out, better informed. There's nothing my mom or almost anyone could really say now to get me to stop. Even if I had never found this site, I already knew about SN from somebody mentioning it on 4chan when somebody else was saying that they were about to use bleach. Btw remember how lots of teens like to bully each other by telling them to "drink bleach"? Bleach is already a suicide method that's in almost every house. Only significant difference between it and something like SN is that it's more painful. These people don't care about peace though, so I guess the point is moot but still.
Anyway, sorry for the long post. Basically I'm saying that literally just being there for someone is the only real way to prevent suicide. Beyond that, it's all on them. Being receptive to hotlines, meds, and therapy is purely on them and no amount of Twitter yelling or site banning will ever change that.
Konjac
Experienced
- Oct 25, 2020
- 292
I'm not very active on here anymore, but I wanted to log in to say something after hearing what happened.
If it wasn't for this website, I would hands down be dead right now. This place offered me unconditional support and care when I needed it most, and to try taking that support away from others is genuinely sick as far as I'm concerned. This community can either help people begin on their road to recovery, like me, or offer someone that much needed support in their final days. It's truly something special and genuinely helpful, and people who've never been suicidal themselves have no right to try shutting us down- if they lived a day in our shoes they'd understand. As horrific as it is that this boy took his own life, blaming this website isn't the way to go.
I hope that this all blows over soon and that everything can get back to normal. Thank you, mods, for everything you do. I'm sure it'll all work out in the end.
Wishing you all the best.
If it wasn't for this website, I would hands down be dead right now. This place offered me unconditional support and care when I needed it most, and to try taking that support away from others is genuinely sick as far as I'm concerned. This community can either help people begin on their road to recovery, like me, or offer someone that much needed support in their final days. It's truly something special and genuinely helpful, and people who've never been suicidal themselves have no right to try shutting us down- if they lived a day in our shoes they'd understand. As horrific as it is that this boy took his own life, blaming this website isn't the way to go.
I hope that this all blows over soon and that everything can get back to normal. Thank you, mods, for everything you do. I'm sure it'll all work out in the end.
Wishing you all the best.
I remember you from a while back when you were struggling. Not sure if you remember me but that's okay. It brings me genuine joy to hear you're on the road to recovery! Congratulations friend! Wishing you the best as well!
Edit: I should also offer my thanks and appreciation to the mods for keeping this supportive community active. (Although I'll add, there are nefarious elements here as with any online community which requires constant vigilance on all our parts.)
And my condolences to anyone who has lost a loved one to suicide.
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x~Sophia~x
Always give 100% - unless you’re donating blood.
- Sep 10, 2020
- 1,361
perhaps it's best to say goodbye through private message. I have to say I find it uncomfortable reading all the 'good luck' posts. It just adds fuel to the fire for the pro lifers, so let's put a ban on goodbye posts.
stygal
low-wage worker
- Oct 29, 2020
- 1,732
This.
I don't understand those parents doing so much mental gymnastics to be able to shift the blame on others (in this case this site) as if people who were "completely fine" and had "such a happy life" would just ctb out of the blue on day because a fucking internet platform told them to.
Get a grip on reality, Karen!
Honestly yes even current members but its too late... the people from fixthe26 wont stop
