Discussion A new method with 100% certain lethality

[RainyDaysGrapefruit]

I'm sorry it disgusts you, but your post is totally useless. You will not be able to save anyone who takes 20 micrograms of this substance, not even 10, not even 5, or much less. All the treatments you have proposed will not stop the 100% certain lethality. This shows that the method (regardless of its availability which is not the subject of discussion in the thread, but was cleverly added so as not to admit that there are methods effective in 100% lethality) guarantees death. And would you treat polonium 210 poisoning with iodine? Congratulations I have not recommended this method to anyone. This is a place where you can talk freely about everything and often we talk about methods that are not available, inaccessible or impracticable. The mafias deal with radioactive material, it's true. But I didn't write that they deal with these pure isotopes. Producing what is needed would cost thousands of euros. The mafias supply many other radioactive materials and I repeat that I am not recommending them, but they are still 100% lethal with horrible deaths generally. Highly radioactive materials have always been on the market and there is no need to go to the Transnistra where in the open air you find abandoned Soviet missiles and highly toxic products of all kinds managed by criminals. There is uranium trafficking that the mafias import from Africa and other parts. However, there is no cure for 5 micrograms of polonium 210 ingested, that's the point. You can't fail.
Therefore, it is misinformation to say: "all methods can fail", more accurate to say "generally available methods are not 100% lethal". Also because someone here got Pentobarbital for veterinary use and it is 100% lethal, as is Tanax.

I don't think you read what I wrote. Again, can you cite your source for any of this?

I don't seem to have offended anyone or even to have adopted extreme attitudes. However, I have read many posts with extreme advice (one user here even talks about someone who proposed crucifixion and extreme pain has also been talked about as a method on other occasions). I have often talked about methods such as LPG, hydrogen sulphide, guillotine. They are all methods that cause little or no suffering, certainly better than the hanging you often talk about. Yet I do not attack those who use brutal methods such as immolation. But if you like to call me a troll, it's all the same to me, you probably love pointing the finger at those you don't approve of. I am not interested.

They're calling you a troll because you're incredibly toxic in conversation.

 

[depressedinsomniac]

i will say this...an idea is an idea...you never knew where you might find yourself and what you might have access to...but gosh the possibility of finding it seems slim...least to me....but you never know!

 

[ThisIsLife]

I thought you were trolling but you're serious and that's quite... concerning.

From 1 to 10 on the scale of scarcity, N being at 9.9, Po210 is at 1 000 000. You'd have to succeed to Vladimir Putin to get it in sufficient quantity and it would take months and billions of dollars to make less than 1mg.

Even if you wanted to extract it with university lab equipment by yourself like a veteran, with uranium ore, hydrochloric acid and silver, you wouldn't get more than 100 femtogram deposited on the silver. One bacteria weighs 10 times more.

Even if you were able to produce 50 nanogram, radiation would be around 166kBq of Po-210. If inhaled (dose rate coefficient of 7,1*10^-7 Sv/Bq) would give roughly 0,1Sv... so about 100mSv... it's not even deadly and you wouldn't have a great time in the hospital.

Extracting Po210 from ore in higher quantities is something where you would hurt yourself (and probably other people) badly enough; and if you wanted to produce it more efficiently you'd have to irradiate Bismuth with neutrons... good luck with that.

Cool vid on Po210 for entertainment.

 

[L'absent]

I thought you were trolling but you're serious and that's quite... concerning.

From 1 to 10 on the scale of scarcity, N being at 9.9, Po210 is at 1 000 000. You'd have to succeed to Vladimir Putin to get it in sufficient quantity and it would take months and billions of dollars to make less than 1mg.

Even if you wanted to extract it with university lab equipment by yourself like a veteran, with uranium ore, hydrochloric acid and silver, you wouldn't get more than 100 femtogram deposited on the silver. One bacteria weighs 10 times more.

Even if you were able to produce 50 nanogram, radiation would be around 166kBq of Po-210. If inhaled (dose rate coefficient of 7,1*10^-7 Sv/Bq) would give roughly 0,1Sv... so about 100mSv... it's not even deadly and you wouldn't have a great time in the hospital.

Extracting Po210 from ore in higher quantities is something where you would hurt yourself (and probably other people) badly enough; and if you wanted to produce it more efficiently you'd have to irradiate Bismuth with neutrons... good luck with that.

Cool vid on Po210 for entertainment.

Bah...smoky speech and full of important inaccuracies. The purpose of the thread is the certainty of death through the method. Every procedure aimed at deliberately bringing about death is a method, regardless of whether the method is complicated or almost impossible to put into practice. You state that Po-210 has a scarcity level of "1,000,000". This statement is an unfounded exaggeration and has no scientific basis. The scarcity of an element cannot be expressed on such an arbitrary and disproportionate scale. Then you write that with university equipment it is possible to obtain only 100 femtograms. Another untrue statement. In specialized nuclear laboratories it is possible to obtain much larger quantities. With your vague statements you would be able to dissuade any researcher from the fields of materials science and radiochemistry. Then you write that an exposure of 50 nanograms of Po-210 would give about 0.1 Sv claiming that it is not even fatal. You don't even consider the impact of radiation in the medium and long term. I find this statement alarming. Then you write that to obtain Po-210 one would have to irradiate bismuth.You have missed many more practical and established techniques. So you want to make the process appear much more complicated and difficult than it actually is in appropriate contexts. Like the use of nuclear reactors or cyclotrons. However... It is possible in controlled settings to obtain milligrams of Po-210. Nuclear reactors can produce even 1 mg (or more) with a single irradiation cycle, depending on the techniques used. I assure you it is 100% lethal. There are also isotope production plants, from commercial laboratories to plants specialized in the production of radioactive isotopes for medical and industrial applications. They can generate Po-210 in interesting quantities. Even government research centers that are usually associated with military research. These centers have access to far greater technologies and resources than university laboratories. Finally, 0.1 mg of Po-210 is sufficient to have a lethal dose. Bottom line: we have a 100% lethal method. The fact that it is almost impossible to get your hands on does not invalidate its effectiveness in the slightest. This was the purpose of the thread, without adding unnecessary controversy.

 

[thetruetato]

It will take days or weeks, but once ingested, death is assured. Even pain and suffering, but there is no salvation. It is impossible to survive the 210 (210Po) isotope of Polonium. Further proof that there are methods with 100% guaranteed lethality, not only with Nembutal.View attachment 156148
The lethal dose is much less than one gram.

The main problem I see is that this seems both expensive and difficult to get.

 

[L'absent]

The main problem I see is that this seems both expensive and difficult to get.

Even if it were readily available, I strongly advise against it. It's a horrible, but certain death. You won't end up with neurological damage or like vegetables. However, it will be hell before death.

 

[TheHolySword]

Bah...smoky speech and full of important inaccuracies. The purpose of the thread is the certainty of death through the method. Every procedure aimed at deliberately bringing about death is a method, regardless of whether the method is complicated or almost impossible to put into practice. You state that it states that Po-210 has a scarcity level of "1,000,000". This statement is an unfounded exaggeration and has no scientific basis. The scarcity of an element cannot be expressed on such an arbitrary and disproportionate scale. Then you write that with university equipment it is possible to obtain only 100 femtograms. Another untrue statement. In specialized nuclear laboratories it is possible to obtain much larger quantities. With your vague statements you would be able to dissuade any researcher from the fields of materials science and radiochemistry. Then you write that an exposure of 50 nanograms of Po-210 would give about 0.1 Sv claiming that it is not even fatal. You don't even consider the impact of radiation in the medium and long term. I find this statement alarming. Then you write that to obtain Po-210 one would have to irradiate bismuth.You have missed many more practical and established techniques. So you want to make the process appear much more complicated and difficult than it actually is in appropriate contexts. Like the use of nuclear reactors or cyclotrons. However... It is possible in controlled settings to obtain milligrams of Po-210. Nuclear reactors can produce even 1 mg (or more) with a single irradiation cycle, depending on the techniques used. I assure you it is 100% lethal. There are also isotope production plants, from commercial laboratories to plants specialized in the production of radioactive isotopes for medical and industrial applications. They can generate Po-210 in interesting quantities. Even government research centers that are usually associated with military research. These centers have access to far greater technologies and resources than university laboratories. Finally, 0.1 mg of Po-210 is sufficient to have a lethal dose. Bottom line: we have a 100% lethal method. The fact that it is almost impossible to get your hands on does not invalidate its effectiveness in the slightest. This was the purpose of the thread, without adding unnecessary controversy.

If it's not available then it's not a method. You can spend all day long coming up with nonsense 100% ways to die. There's no purpose. This thread and thought exercise had no useful outcome because you proved nothing. There was nothing thought provoking about this, it's just a matter of you wanting be right and everyone else wrong, but it doesn't matter because this still isn't a method.

 

[L'absent]

If it's not available then it's not a method. You can spend all day long coming up with nonsense 100% ways to die. There's no purpose. This thread and thought exercise had no useful outcome because you proved nothing. There was nothing thought provoking about this, it's just a matter of you wanting be right and everyone else wrong, but it doesn't matter because this still isn't a method.

Definition of "method" Origin and meaning The word "method" comes from the Greek "methodos", which means "way" or "way of proceeding". In general, it refers to a set of procedures or techniques used to achieve a specific goal. 2. Contexts of use: Scientific: In science, a method is a series of systematic steps for conducting experiments or research. It must be replicable and verifiable. - Practical: In practical contexts, a method can refer to techniques used to perform specific tasks, such as cooking or building something. - Theoretical: It can also be a conceptual approach to addressing problems or issues, regardless of its feasibility. 3. Methods and availability: - A method is considered as such even if it is not easily accessible. Its effectiveness or practical applicability may vary, but does not negate its existence as a concept. - For example, in medicine, some treatments may be theoretically valid but difficult to obtain; that doesn't mean they aren't methods.

I want to emphasize that my goal has never been to attack or belittle the opinions of others. My intention is simply to explore a difficult topic in an open and honest way. It is essential that everyone can freely express their ideas without feeling judged or labeled 'bad' for raising sensitive issues. I believe that debate and reflection on these topics can lead to greater understanding and awareness. It's not about being right or wrong, but about trying to understand different points of view. It is important to maintain respectful and constructive dialogue, even when opinions differ.

 

[wondering&wandering]

If it's not available then it's not a method. You can spend all day long coming up with nonsense 100% ways to die. There's no purpose. This thread and thought exercise had no useful outcome because you proved nothing. There was nothing thought provoking about this, it's just a matter of you wanting be right and everyone else wrong, but it doesn't matter because this still isn't a method.

I agree.

@L'absent Dying out in space is also a 100% lethal "method", but I don't think people here need to be told that. It's meaningless for the purposes of this forum and its users, except for the meaning some users (such as you) seem to derive through inane discussion that exists only for your personal pleasure.

 

[L'absent]

I agree.

@L'absent Dying out in space is also a 100% lethal "method", but I don't think people here need to be told that. It's meaningless for the purposes of this forum and its users, except for the meaning some users (such as you) seem to derive through inane discussion that exists only for your personal pleasure.

I understand your point of view, but I want to clarify that my intention is not to seek personal pleasure through useless discussions. In this forum, we talk about a wide range of topics, and I find that every discussion, even those that may seem absurd, can have value in the context of dialogue and reflection. I've noticed that when someone opens a topic that certain users don't like, they often band together to attack that person, rather than simply ignoring the thread and moving on to the ones they find more interesting. This attitude can stifle debate and prevent constructive exploration. Furthermore, when it comes to different methods, such as car accidents or weapons, many are ready to judge and impose their morals. Personally, when I'm not interested in a discussion, I simply prefer to ignore it. I believe that open and honest discussion is fundamental, even when opinions differ.

 

[Rust]

Hey @L'absent, may I ask how you came across this method and what motivated you to share this information? Also, do you intend for people to use this method?

 

[Namelesa]

To be honest, despite the me being physically sensitive have having low tolerance to pain, I would use this if I could. I know I would suffer greatly but knowing that it will be over at some point and knowing it will 100% succeed would be enough reason for me go for this method if it was more available and could get my hand on it..

 

[tbh2023]

It will take days or weeks, but once ingested, death is assured. Even pain and suffering, but there is no salvation. It is impossible to survive the 210 (210Po) isotope of Polonium. Further proof that there are methods with 100% guaranteed lethality, not only with Nembutal.View attachment 156148
The lethal dose is much less than one gram.

I didn't even see one case with successful suicide with N in here, even tho some people claim to have it. But how do we even buy this?

 

[Whale_bones]

I've noticed that when someone opens a topic that certain users don't like, they often band together to attack that person, rather than simply ignoring the thread and moving on to the ones they find more interesting. This attitude can stifle debate and prevent constructive exploration.

Is your purpose with this post to debate? A debate means opposing viewpoints are discussed, which is exactly what the replies have been doing, so I don't see how the responses are stifling anything.

Several people tried to engage honestly with you, writing detailed posts about the specific substance, and you didn't take a single one of their points into consideration, didn't say "hey, I learned something new today" even once, just repeatedly said that you're 100% right and they're 100% wrong. So again, I don't see what constructive exploration could take place from that point forward.

Dictionary definitions aren't helpful when you're actually talking to another human being; that's just pedantry. I think I saw on another post that English is your second language, (and I admire anyone who can speak more than one language btw) so I understand looking up definitions for your own reference, but surely you understand that just like in your native language, words aren't only used in the extremely limiting terms of dictionary definitions; context is important.

 

[wondering&wandering]

I understand your point of view,

That's good.

but I want to clarify that my intention is not to seek personal pleasure through useless discussions.

That's also good.

In this forum, we talk about a wide range of topics, and I find that every discussion, even those that may seem absurd, can have value in the context of dialogue and reflection.

True. And yes, absurd discussions can have value just as this one has a certain value to it, but I'm contending the value of this discussion post is less of a sincerity of discussing such charged phrases as "no method is 100% lethal" vs. using the former as a guise to create hollow posts such as these that simply rile people up for your pleasure.

I've noticed that when someone opens a topic that certain users don't like, they often band together to attack that person, rather than simply ignoring the thread and moving on to the ones they find more interesting. This attitude can stifle debate and prevent constructive exploration.

Sure, I see what you mean. But I wouldn't say that's what's happening here. Rather, people are just coming to the same, rational conclusion that you're not arguing in good faith. For example, I'm not meaning to band/gang up on you, but rather hoping that with my reply you realize that you are failing at creating a constructive atmosphere of discussion, or rather that others realize that something should be done about these kind of posts.

Furthermore, when it comes to different methods, such as car accidents or weapons, many are ready to judge and impose their morals.

That's a really good point. I think this in it of itself would make an excellent and relevant discussion; however, if this was one of your main points, then it didn't come through on your original posting. And if this wasn't one of your main points originally, then I still fail to see the purpose of your original post.

Personally, when I'm not interested in a discussion, I simply prefer to ignore it.

Right, I agree. I suppose my interest is more in your motivations as, again, they seem very insincere.

I believe that open and honest discussion is fundamental, even when opinions differ.

Agreed; however, respectively, there seems to be something dishonest about the thesis of the original discussion. Or at the very least, an incomplete one, which leads to the appearance of dishonesty.

 

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100% lethal folks!

 

[ShatteredSerenity]

Here's another insanely toxic chemical for a guaranteed horrendous death:
dimethylmercury

A chemistry professor died after just a few drops spilled on her gloves. She didn't have symptoms for a few months, but then her condition deteriorated rapidly to a persistent vegetative state, and she died 9 months after exposure. There are only two other known cases of dimethylmercury poisoning, both were fatal.

I'm sure that dimethylmercury is significantly cheaper and easier to obtain than polonium-210, but still extremely difficult.

 

[L'absent]

Here's another insanely toxic chemical for a guaranteed horrendous death:
dimethylmercury

A chemistry professor died after just a few drops spilled on her gloves. She didn't have symptoms for a few months, but then her condition deteriorated rapidly to a persistent vegetative state, and she died 9 months after exposure. There are only two other known cases of dimethylmercury poisoning, both were fatal.

I'm sure that dimethylmercury is significantly cheaper and easier to obtain than polonium-210, but still extremely difficult.

This is interesting (obviously not recommended to anyone), I assume you are referring to Professor Karen Wetterhahn, well documented case. Unfortunately the thread cannot continue peacefully, and it is better to close here.

 

[wondering&wandering]

This is interesting (obviously not recommended to anyone), I assume you are referring to Professor Karen Wetterhahn, well documented case.

Interesting. Can't say I'm familiar with this incident. Should be a good read.

Unfortunately the thread cannot continue peacefully, and it is better to close here.

Oh, who broke the peace?

 

[wondering&wandering]

Perhaps it wasn't the peace that was broken, but rather the illusion of sincerity.