You are now happy forever, would you still take Nembutal?

[Davey36000]

No trauma (fully healed, or it never happened), the world has no problems or they were fixed (no war, poverty, etc...), no depression or anxiety or other mental illnesses, nobody ever died (quantity mortality or shifting realities), no sickness (medicine found the cure for all diseases, or maybe the sickness does not bother you anymore), life is fulfilling and meaningful for you and everyone. You are happy and everyone is happy and the world develops in harmony, slowly but steadly. Everyone eventually still dies but reincarnation is well known in pop culture and accepted, so no more fear or not knowing about "death". Etc etc, every problem is not a problem anymore because a solution was found or maybe it doesn't matter anymore for some reason. Society is advanced in all ways, physical, mental, spiritual, etc...

So if you live in paradise, do you still want to take N?

If yes, why? If no, why not?

 

[FuneralCry]

I don't believe in the idea of happiness, for me the problem lies in existence itself, I simply wish for eternal nothingness where all is forgotten about. I don't see existence as desirable in any way and I will always suffer as long as I'm concious and aware. Existence is unnecessary anyway and death solves everything, I only wish for the peace of eternal sleep. And anyway the dead have no need for "happiness", I don't get why anyone would want existence in the first place, no matter what I'll always see it as better to die, to have the ability to exist will always be very burdensome.

 

[Davey36000]

I don't believe in the idea of happiness, for me the problem lies in existence itself, I simply wish for eternal nothingness where all is forgotten about. I don't see existence as desirable in any way and I will always suffer as long as I'm concious and aware. Existence is unnecessary anyway and death solves everything, I only wish for the peace of eternal sleep. And anyway the dead have no need for "happiness", I don't get why anyone would want existence in the first place, no matter what I'll always see it as better to die, to have the ability to exist will always be very burdensome.

What if existence doesn't "exist", but you are still "happily existing"?

Dunno if that makes sense. Existing, but without any suffering whatsoever.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Dunno if that makes sense. Existing, but without any suffering whatsoever

So what? In a constant state of happiness and contentment?

 

[FuneralCry]

I don't desire existence in any form personally, and I don't believe in any of these other theories about what happens once we die. I very strongly believe that once we lose consciousness we simply cease existing and this is all I wish for. It's comforting to think of eternally not existing, having access to Nembutal would be so ideal.

 

[@siniy_cat]

I don't believe in the idea of happiness, for me the problem lies in existence itself

How can you not believe in it? I mean certainly there are people, who are happy right? You can call it delusional or whatever, but many people seem to enjoy existing and are afraid of death.

 

[AInilam]

If I were happy I don't think I would, because if I had everything that'd make me happy-the life, beauty and relationships I wanted--whether it be platonically or romantically,

If I lived in paradise--that's a whole other beautiful dream in itself. I wouldn't want to die because death wouldn't exist in paradise, instead maybe--I'd come down to earth again for fun (because I'd know it was only temporary/for experience) or better yet another planet. I would never choose oblivion if I had even an ounce of control over my looks, abilities, surroundings and wellbeing.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I may not take it but yes- it should be available still. Where is the freedom in this 'perfect' world if you don't allow people choice? The choice on whether to exist or not has to be the most fundamental choice there is. If this world hasn't sorted out the provision to allow people to choose whether they are born to begin with- it surely must allow them to leave afterwards.

Not sure how you would stop people grieving over a loved ones death. Reincarnation isn't terribly comforting always to people who lose loved ones. I lost my Mum when I was 3. Call me selfish but I don't like the thought that she could now be 37 with new children to look after. If we all live to a crazy old age, how will the world support so many people? Plus, if life really is that great, people will be breeding like rabbits I imagine! Would they need to be stopped to preserve resources? Would it be such a perfect world when rules start to be imposed? Who do those rules benefit? Who has to comply with them?

I don't know- knowing human nature- knowing how we exploit one another and the world without considering the consequences or the longterm future survival of both- I can't see any paradise humans have had a hand in lasting long! Then, we'll all be reaching for the Nembutal! Still- I am admittedly such a cynic. Lol.

 

[Davey36000]

So what? In a constant state of happiness and contentment?

Maybe not happiness but just "happily existing". In reality this world is not perfect, but there is this guy who has no legs and no arms (Nick Vujicic) and yet he is happy.

So maybe our frame of mind isn't "correct"?

Although he was born like that, some would say that if you lose it it's worse.

I don't know if the world could ever be a paradise... Probably not. You fix one problem and another one rises.

But what if independent of external conditions, you are happy, regardless?

I may not take it but yes- it should be available still. Where is the freedom in this 'perfect' world if you don't allow people choice? The choice on whether to exist or not has to be the most fundamental choice there is. If this world hasn't sorted out the provision to allow people to choose whether they are born to begin with- it surely must allow them to leave afterwards.

Not sure how you would stop people grieving over a loved ones death. Reincarnation isn't terribly comforting always to people who lose loved ones. I lost my Mum when I was 3. Call me selfish but I don't like the thought that she could now be 37 with new children to look after. If we all live to a crazy old age, how will the world support so many people? Plus, if life really is that great, people will be breeding like rabbits I imagine! Would they need to be stopped to preserve resources? Would it be such a perfect world when rules start to be imposed? Who do those rules benefit? Who has to comply with them?

I don't know- knowing human nature- knowing how we exploit one another and the world without considering the consequences or the longterm future survival of both- I can't see any paradise humans have had a hand in lasting long! Then, we'll all be reaching for the Nembutal! Still- I am admittedly such a cynic. Lol.

Considering the world has finite resources, unsble to satisfy any human greed... I think paradise is not possible.

Even if we make a paradise right now, that would eventually be relative and we would want more.

If you have 1$ it's better than having 0, but if you have 200$ that's a big difference from 1$, but then you have 1000$, which is nothing compared to 10.000$, and having a million is better, and it goes on and on... It's all relative. And if you have a minion you still aren't satisfied, Lol...

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Um, no....

Happy people don't kill themselves.

 

[until death]

I'd still want to kill myself because I want to see my friends and my baby again

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I suppose it depends on the consequences that come with being happy forever. For example, if it were to take me a lot of suffering to be happy then I'd still want to kill myself. If, however, I don't suffer a lot and still get happy, then I'd want to live. I tend to focus more on minimising suffering as opposed to maximising happiness and pleasure

 

[hi-okbye]

I'd still want to kill myself because I want to see my friends and my baby again

With until death

I could be happy but that doesn't bring people back from the dead.

 

[tvoisluga]

Yes, i don't need to live after 30-40ish because I'm not interested in seeing my body and mind break down with aging. and especially on a planet with nature destroyed by humanity I'm scared of the climate change horrors that await.

 

[TAW122]

Yes, albeit it wouldn't be rushed, but whenever I decide (on my own terms) that I'm content with what I have and at a good point to CTB.

 

[casual_existence]

Those things are only subjectively good. Or at least there's an argument where that's how it is. I mean as a human I would probably have to strictly say yes. Suicide is presumably bad so naturally it wouldn't even exist in this world. However if we take the approach of subjectivity then I would do it regardless. It could be a happy thing. We would have to know what happens after death for that and well at that point some people might kill themselves just for some random reason while others would live just because.

Even now despite the misery I'm extremely curious about death. It's a great unknown. The answer is strictly simple. We just disappear. Yet some part of me wants to experience death.

 

[Gonnerr]

Yes because i wanna go to sleep and not wake up. Choosing between sleeping forever or 8 hours , ill choose forever.

 

[kunikuzushi]

I think one of the biggest reasons I want to ctb is I don't know how to deal with loss. So if we still died eventually and got reincarnated, I would still have to say goodbye to loved ones. So yes I would still do it. But if there were some miracle of immortality, I would want to live in happiness forever.

 

[ultrasharpy123456]

I'd have to wait until the morning so I can take it outside but yes I'd do it as fast as humanly possible.

 

[nothingbutmybest]

The post and the vote titles are technically different because being happy forever is different from being in a paradise but I think it is interesting to answer both!

If I was happy forever, it honestly entails some form of brain damage or severe retardation. It's possible to live with happy overtones and be fully satisfied in every way, but few people don't be sad when they lose a limb or otherwise feel extreme pain. Typically, those with more impaired cognitive abilities to tend to be happier overall but obviously that is not something I would want. I am not remotely similar to the version of me that is happy forever, they are effectively a stranger.

If I was in a paradise forever, it would depend on the paradise. If it's a "fake" paradise that can copy things but can't affect the real world, then I would probably indulge myself then die within a month. If it's a real world manifestation of my paradise, I would no longer have a reason to die but even if I did, I would be willing to destroy the part of the personality that still wants to considering I can fulfill my goals otherwise now.

 

[lostinmythoughts]

Yes. I don't think so! This life will never be paradise and I don't think I will ever be happy period.

 

[doneforlife]

I would still want to have the choice of exiting. The reason is pretty simple. Eternal happiness may seem perfect for a few months or few years or few decades, but I am not sure if I can continue to be in a state of eternal happiness.... eternally...lol . It's a paradox. But think of never being able to die. It's not a blessing. It's a curse. And the only way I see it happening is you get up everyday and everything is wiped out from your headspace as if you never existed..which ironically is nothing but death. Imagine you being alive in the state of eternal happiness from the stone age up until now....scary ....isn't it ?

 

[Davey36000]

I would still want to have the choice of exiting. The reason is pretty simple. Eternal happiness may seem perfect for a few months or few years or few decades, but I am not sure if I can continue to be in a state of eternal happiness.... eternally...lol . It's a paradox. But think of never being able to die. It's not a blessing. It's a curse. And the only way I see it happening is you get up everyday and everything is wiped out from your headspace as if you never existed..which ironically is nothing but death. Imagine you being alive in the state of eternal happiness from the stone age up until now....scary ....isn't it ?

Maybe it's ok if happy. Not that you could live forever though.

 

[haibane]

Being depressed/mentally hill is a part of me at this point. I wouldn't want to live in a world where im not myself anymore. Death is the only true solution

 

[rozeske]

Happy people don't kill ththemselves.

I second this! I wouldn't need N if I had all happiness in all aspects of life, even if it's a delusional happiness

 

[yzx]

Yes. Eventually growing old will become torturous anyway and everyone will die so why stay?

 

[Yaffle]

No because surely the definition of happiness for this thread would be mental and physical health and no suicidal thoughts.

 

[MindFrog]

Yes because even when I'm happy, my issues will never be resolved as long as I'm alive. Being autistic is just hard to deal with and I dont think I can survive on my own.

 

[Freimann]

Yeah, even if I had everything I miss. I'm just tired. Even if he came back to me with the sweetest messages. I'll ctb because I'm fucking tired, not because I'm sad.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Yes I would drink nembutal.

There is no magic to remove the 1000's of horrible things in life and this world. Even if one were able to fix the worst problem you have there will eventually be other catastrophes that will get a human for example old age diseases and old age , cancer, accidents , diseases, oppression, etc.

I don't see a separation between the things they constantly tell us are so good and pleasurable and the worst tortures imaginable. They are both intertwined irreversibly. They are both part of life . You can't say I'll pick only the things u enjoy and never have anything horrible happen to me because odds are something really horrible will happen . And the supposed good things are not worth going through the worst torture imaginable.

Everywhere I see the constant pushing of life as being very wonderful, important, good , sacred a gift. And also they portray many imo subjective things in life as very good and very pleasurable which to me I'm starting to see as garbage meaningless addictions.

I see anyone pushing the concept that life is good as causing suffering and torture. It is because of this that there are no 99.5% reliable suicide kits for sale like for example nembutal. So nobody has a way to escape pain suffering or torture.
I don't care if others want to live and risk pain that is their life. However they have imposed laws on every one making assisted suicide and suicide kits criminal. They have taken away the escape from anyone who is suffering immensely and or wants to exit life . They have made life and this world a prison. It's not logical but is evil to deny those in torture to escape .

Imo I would need at least 2 things to escape any future torture and suffering and pain. 1 . A reliable method that is at least 99.5% reliable and painless. 2. The mindset shift to that I want to and need to kill myself .

So if I had those 2 things then I would commit suicide and be dead today . 1 micro second after death I would never be able to suffer pain , no suffering, no problems ever again cause I'll stop existing forever. non-existence is preferable to existing / Living. Because only when alive can a human suffer or fall into a trap of unbearable pain or torture.

But if someone convinces me life is good or some crap like sports or youtube addiction is good then I'll stay alive . While alive any minute I could get cancer , stroke , accident, kidnapping torture. Then if I get a stroke and become brain damaged I'll be suffering torture. The ones who convinced me to stay alive are responsible for my pain. If I would have killed myself then I wouldn't have gotten the stroke. But everyone would hail them as heroes "they saved a life". No they caused my torture . if I were not existing I wouldn't be suffering. And you can't save a life because fyi we all die anyway. So the only thing they did is cause torture suffering pain.

Humans imo are kept from all that I wrote above. And also basic facts of life and reality that science has discovered over hundreds of years of cumulative experimentation. For example evolution is true and the most powerful law in the universe is the law of entropy the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Every system breaks down . everything leads to disorder. Every thing decays dies. A human is just a brain and cells. Imo a human is a grouping of trillions of individual microorganisms called cells .