Yew tree

[Sharethepain]

I have recently heard from a friend of mine that a girl he knew killed herself two weeks ago by ingesting some leaves of the taxus baccata ( from latin ) and drinking half a bottle of vodka. The whole tree is highly poisonous. The reason of death is that your heart stops.

I have been wondering if anyone has any resource about this since I couldnt find anything regarding the amount or if you should put the leaves into a mixer or something. Any kind of advice would be welcome.

EDIT: Apparently there is no known antitode for the poison from this tree yet. Quite nice.

 

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I made the tincture of yew leaves last winter but I didn't use it. I had about 900 grams of leaves after I had crushed them which is probably too much. I tasted a little bit of tincture and I experienced a loss of hearing immediately. I could still hear but like through some walls. I thought maybe if I fail, I may become deaf or blind and didn't use it since I wasn't sure about the reliability of it and found very little information about consequences of surviving.

The leaves are more toxic than the seed. The concentration of taxine in the leaves are highest at winter (2.0%) and are lowest in the summer (0.6%). There are different kinds of yew trees, Taxus baccata and Taxus Cuspidata are the most toxic. Pacific yew contain minimal amounts of Taxine alkaloids and there are many more. How to distinguish between them, I have no idea.

I got everything I needed to know about making a tincture and other information from here:
https://8ch.net/suicide/res/18839.html

 

[Sharethepain]

I made the tincture of yew leaves last winter but I didn't use it. I had about 900 grams of leaves after I had crushed them which is probably too much. I tasted a little bit of tincture and I experienced a loss of hearing immediately. I could still hear but like through some walls. I thought maybe if I fail, I may become deaf or blind and didn't use it since I wasn't sure about the reliability of it and found very little information about consequences of surviving.

The leaves are more toxic than the seed. The concentration of taxine in the leaves are highest at winter (2.0%) and are lowest in the summer (0.6%). There are different kinds of yew trees, Taxus baccata and Taxus Cuspidata are the most toxic. Pacific yew contain minimal amounts of Taxine alkaloids and there are many more. How to distinguish between them, I have no idea.

I got everything I needed to know about making a tincture and other information from here:
https://8ch.net/suicide/res/18839.html

I see, thanks a bunch for the link.

 

[Sharethepain]

If anyone is interested, I´ll copy the the best instructions from the site:
"
Preparations:
1) Clean the leaves/seeds.
2) Dry them.
3) Simmer the needles in water for about 30 minutes, possibly with a splash of lemon juice added to the water (in order to enhance the water's extracting performance). (Skip for seeds.)
4) Retrive the yew needles from the water and then discard the water extraction (since the liquid only contains mostly volatile oils and compounds (ephedrine) that impede the taxine and make you sick. (Skip for seeds)
5) Dry the needles in a convectional oven at 85-90 Celsius and crush them. (Skip for seeds)
6) Put the crushed needles/seeds in a jar of alcohol (80 proof minimum) and stir with a clean spoon to get rid of air bubbles.
7) Cap the jar and store in a cool/dry place, away from light, shaking daily for a minimum of 1 week to a month.
8) Strain the resulting liquid extraction, boil the alcohol out and store the liquid into a colored dropper or a clean glass jar.
9) Store it in a cool/dry, place away from light, until you're ready to use it.

Notes:
Don't use the tincture unless you're 100% sure you're ready to die. There is no antidote for the poisoning.

Antiemetics should be taken when using the tincture as a precautionary measure.

This extraction is gonna taste bitter, so it's recommended you dilute it with water and probably add some flavoring to mask the taste.

The concentration of taxine in the leaves are highest at winter (2.0%) and are lowest in the summer (0.6%). The low end of the lethal dosage is 0.5 grams of leaves for every kilogram you weigh in bodyweight. Regardless of the concentration, the recommended dosage for a real attempt is 2g/kg. The concentration in seeds are always at a constant 0.92%. So the minimum is 6 seeds (0.362g)/kg. The recommended dosage is 24 seeds (1.448g)/kg. The lethal dose of taxine is 3/mg/kg.

The shelf life will be up to around 7-10 years, though making a new batch every 3-4 years would be recommended. You can extend the shelf life of the tincture by adding a little glycerin (5-10%) in the tincture. It will help stabilize the ethanol to slow down the evaporation rate.

Taxus baccata and Taxus Cuspidata are the most toxic. Don't bother with pacific yew, they only contain minimal amounts of Taxine alkaloids.

The interval between consumption and loss of consciousness is 30 minutes. So, be sure to consume the entire extracion within the time period. The quicker the better."

Seems like a pretty great way. I just gotta find the damn tree now lol .

 

[Dreamcollege]

How bad/agonizing is the death from this? Can I just crush seeds without making a tincture and eat those?

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

How bad/agonizing is the death from this? Can I just crush seeds without making a tincture and eat those?

It should be peaceful... (assuming you're talking about the tincture). Otherwise, if you simply ate it... it will most likely not be too pleasant. Not agonizing, but not pleasant. Between the oil and the slow absorption, you'll most likely puke... and if you don't, death will be delayed... either from the potential ephedrine and the fact your body takes a long time to digest seeds... leading to slow absorption.

Also, regarding the antiemtic, anticholinergics are the only reliable type... which is scopolamine. Don't get the patches... instead, use about 10 datura inoxia seeds or 6 brugmansia seeds.

 

[Schopenhauer]

I'm always suspicious of this kind of poisoning, afraid that will be slow and/or painful.

When I watched Breaking Bad, I got all excited about ricin. After actual research, I've determined it to be a subpar method.

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

I'm always suspicious of this kind of poisoning, afraid that will be slow and/or painful.

When I watched Breaking Bad, I got all excited about ricin. After actual research, I've determined it to be a subpar method.

Heh! Me too.
And yeah I agree; shows and movies make any poisoning look more peaceful than it really is... even tylenol.

 

[111aaa]

Survivor stories (with full recovery):
Daniela: http://groups.google.com/group/alt....14fd164452e/b03385321197389a#b03385321197389a
Polish guy: https://bmcpharmacoltoxicol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40360-016-0078-5
Yew capsules: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15563650.2017.1321763?src=recsys&journalCode=ictx20


Success by yew:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.suicide.methods/5SRvprHxGEg/DIkS8mWzHKIJ
http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-brewed-from-poioson9-yew-seeds-26436937.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-graveyard-yew-seeds-losing-wife-company.html
http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/sheffield-musician-killed-himself-by-eating-toxic-berries-1-7111485
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-killed-eating-poisonous-leaves-berries.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-norfolk-26089688
https://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk...mmits-suicide-with-poisonous-yew-tree-leaves/
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/suicide-by-eating-yew-tree-leaves-561441
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lon...perience-afterlife-and-come-back-7835772.html
https://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/8/news-headlines/104333/tree-poison-death-shock
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/woman-in-yew-tree-twigs-suicide-15672

Medical publication:
http://www.rjlm.ro/system/revista/26/115-118.pdf

Could be my new method. Cardiac arrest while I'm unconscious sounds good and it happens quickly. In most cases people died in their bed so it seems to be peaceful and painless. What else do I need?

 

[111aaa]

Could you help me what is this?

https://yorkshirefloweressences.com/collections/single-essences/products/yew

Is it poisonous? Can I overdose it?

 

[JazzyWolfWhistle]

I don't think it is because the birds eat it, and people rub it on their skin.

 

[111aaa]

I don't think it is because the birds eat it, and people rub it on their skin.

Birds eat only the berries which are harmless. Every other part of the tree are toxic. Yew poisoning causes cardiac arrest and it can be fast if you eat or drink a large amount.
But I asked about the essence behind the link, it seems to be the same tincture what Daniela made from the needles.
Essence: https://yorkshirefloweressences.com/collections/single-essences/products/yew
Daniela's lethal extract: https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.suicide.methods/suDhT9FkRS4

 

[JazzyWolfWhistle]

So, would just drink a bunch of it to die? Is it that easy? Can you drink this and die?

 

[111aaa]

Lethal dose from the needles is 50g. Read Daniela's experience with her extract. It was so strong that she fainted in one hour painlessly. Many died in their beds in hours and showed no signs of any torture.
But I don't know if this essence was as the same as the extract. Could be very easy and cheap. Just drink two bottles from this and your heart stops in 2-3 hours, it could be better than N and any other method I heard of. Is it possible?

 

[111aaa]

"Lethal intoxications in humans with yew plant material are very rare event, but has been described in literature (21, 25–28). During the years 2000–2009, the Berlin Poison Information Center recorded a single fatal case in 24 (7 cases with berries/arils) intentional yew poisonings. Accidental fatal poisoning in animals with yew plant material also occurred."
https://academic.oup.com/jat/article/36/1/36/889513

Discouraging. :(

 

[Dreamcollege]

"Lethal intoxications in humans with yew plant material are very rare event, but has been described in literature (21, 25–28). During the years 2000–2009, the Berlin Poison Information Center recorded a single fatal case in 24 (7 cases with berries/arils) intentional yew poisonings. Accidental fatal poisoning in animals with yew plant material also occurred."
https://academic.oup.com/jat/article/36/1/36/889513

Discouraging. :(

Most cases of yew poisoning are probably accidental and many people may not know about this, which may be the reason skewing the success rate. I am sure at extremely low doses/exposure such as when a person brushes by a yew leaf they may experience symptoms of poisoning but not enough to say they were trying to commit suicide. After all, yew is a widespread common ornamental plant so I'm sure there are plenty of cases of accidents

If there is anything to be worried about, it is why this method of suicide is not more prevalent. It seems to be quick and comparatively less painful or hard to go through with than most other methods. The materials needed are also cheap and widespread. Yet people looking for plant poisoning would rather spend a pretty penny for pong pong seeds from some sketchy dealer in some random province of some East Asian country that most times doesn't even pass through most border shopping customs. I can't have been the first person to do all this research on different plant methods, yet yew seems relatively unused. Or perhaps the active taxine ingredients in yew are so undetectable that this method of suicide has left a wake of many unsolved suicide cases, so the amount of reported cases is much lower than it otherwise would be

I really hope this works. I'll be trying it with 30 to 50 crushed seeds. I can't wait to be liberated from this misery I never asked for

 

[111aaa]

I really hope this works. I'll be trying it with 30 to 50 crushed seeds. I can't wait to be liberated from this misery I never asked for

Needles are more potent than seeds and the minimal lethal dose is 50-100g according to medical publications. Since one seed is less than 1g 50 pieces will not be enough. I think at least 150-200g is necessary for a successful attempt.

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

Needles are more potent than seeds and the minimal lethal dose is 50-100g according to medical publications. Since one seed is less than 1g 50 pieces will not be enough. I think at least 150-200g is necessary for a successful attempt.

Or 24 seeds/kg.

 

[Dreamcollege]

Needles are more potent than seeds and the minimal lethal dose is 50-100g according to medical publications. Since one seed is less than 1g 50 pieces will not be enough. I think at least 150-200g is necessary for a successful attempt.

My sources say seeds are more potent than needles, and that 3 seeds are enough to kill

As far as 24seeds per kilogram that is very obviously wrong. One news source had a man taking 400 seeds which was many times the minimum lethal dose. Even if the man weighed only 150 pounds, when converting to kg he would have had to take over 1000 seeds

 

[111aaa]

My sources say seeds are more potent than needles, and that 3 seeds are enough to kill

As far as 24seeds per kilogram that is very obviously wrong. One news source had a man taking 400 seeds which was many times the minimum lethal dose. Even if the man weighed only 150 pounds, when converting to kg he would have had to take over 1000 seeds

Three days before I picked up several hundreds of yew seeds in a graveyard and started to clean them. I just rub the gluey red arils from the seeds with toilet paper. It's a very slow work. Yesterday I ingested 5 seeds just to feel the taste. Eatable. And of course nothing happened with me, I felt not any effect since it's so far below the poisonous dosage. I know someone who ate 80 english yew seeds and had no symptoms at all. It could be easier but yew poisoning seems to be a hard job too if you really want to do it right.

 

[Dreamcollege]

Three days before I picked up several hundreds of yew seeds in a graveyard and started to clean them. I just rub the gluey red arils from the seeds with toilet paper. It's a very slow work. Yesterday I ingested 5 seeds just to feel the taste. Eatable. And of course nothing happened with me, I felt not any effect since it's so far below the poisonous dosage. I know someone who ate 80 english yew seeds and had no symptoms at all. It could be easier but yew poisoning seems to be a hard job too if you really want to do it right.

Did you crush the seeds or eat them whole? They must be cut or crushed to release the toxin or anyone can eat them without any effects. Also the red fruits are the only part of the plant not poisonous.

Are you sure the plant you were harvesting seeds from was the species Taxus baccata? Most people are not good with amateur plant identification, including me, which is why I have bought them from a source which identifies them on the package label

 

[111aaa]

Did you crush the seeds or eat them whole? They must be cut or crushed to release the toxin or anyone can eat them without any effects. Also the red fruits are the only part of the plant not poisonous.

Are you sure the plant you were harvesting seeds from was the species Taxus baccata? Most people are not good with amateur plant identification, including me, which is why I have bought them from a source which identifies them on the package label

I crushed the seeds with my teeth very well and it was baccata, but believe me and all the sources some yew seeds are nothing to a human. You have to eat a lot or preferably drink an extract to make a serious attempt. From seeds 150g is the minimum for sure.

 

[JazzyWolfWhistle]

You know I thought this would be simple. I'd buy a yew tree, have it delivered to my apartment, and sit around eating it. Then I'd die. But no, darned tree eating suicide has to be difficult doesn't it?

 

[Kellogg's]

Seems like they sell taxus baccata seeds online. Can't one just buy hundreds of yew seeds to die by eating them or making a tea out of them, like that graveyard businessman guy who ate 400 and died which according to the newspaper is many times the lethal dose?

 

[Dreamcollege]

Seems like they sell taxus baccata seeds online. Can't one just buy hundreds of yew seeds to die by eating them or making a tea out of them, like that graveyard businessman guy who ate 400 and died which according to the newspaper is many times the lethal dose?

That's exactly what I'm doing and exactly the article I'm referring to with the minimum lethal dose. Just buying a bunch of seeds online, though I wish they were cheaper for more. Costs like 5 to 10 bucks for 10 seeds

 

[Jack]

I think I recognize taxus baccata pretty well. If I misrecognized it it was only for a different variety of yew. I think I got it right though. I picked a bunch of the needles in a large cemetery by my place. Do you think when extracting the good stuff from needles the alcohol could be replaced with vinegar? Forgive me if that's a dumb question.

 

[Kellogg's]

Just checked and they sell whole yew trees in gardening stores, literally a mile from my place for ten bucks they sell a hybrid of English and Japanese yew, "all parts of this plant are highly toxic" and it's used in gardens and garden fencing.

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

My sources say seeds are more potent than needles, and that 3 seeds are enough to kill

As far as 24seeds per kilogram that is very obviously wrong. One news source had a man taking 400 seeds which was many times the minimum lethal dose. Even if the man weighed only 150 pounds, when converting to kg he would have had to take over 1000 seeds

3 seeds are only enough to kill a small child, but definitely not an adult. Not even 30 is enough. Sure, the seeds are more potent than the leaves, but only in the summer.

He looked more like a hundred kilo. And you have to keep in mind that he had a heart problem. 6 seed/kg is the low end lethal dosage. But taking 4 times that amount is the recommended. Sure, it is overkill, but it isn't necessarily wrong as if you're certain on dying with poison, you'll have to go overkill as you'll likely survive taking the minimum.

Let me put it this way...
3 mg/kg of taxine is the lethal dose. Inside the seed is 0.92 percent, just as this article states.
https://books.google.com/books?id=Rg8lBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA400&lpg=PA400&dq=yew+seed+0.92%+taxine&source=bl&ots=Q_79FiSzBQ&sig=Z49ESh5Ggb_tK_De6BJTBRNSu0U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiW9OXJj4beAhVpg-AKHYboDBkQ6AEwD3oECAUQAQ

The seed weigh an average of 0.0603 grams... or 60.3 milligrams. Times that by 0.0092 (0.92%) and you get 0.5550667 mg. To bring it up to 3 mg, you have to multiply that by 5.4047558609. Being that there are no way to fraction the seed like that, you're gonna have to round it up to 6.

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

I think I recognize taxus baccata pretty well. If I misrecognized it it was only for a different variety of yew. I think I got it right though. I picked a bunch of the needles in a large cemetery by my place. Do you think when extracting the good stuff from needles the alcohol could be replaced with vinegar? Forgive me if that's a dumb question.

Yes, however the only downside is that vinegars have a shorter shelf life. Supposedly 6 months to a year, though I heard of them lasting much longer than that.

 

[Jack]

Yes, however the only downside is that vinegars have a shorter shelf life. Supposedly 6 months to a year, though I heard of them lasting much longer than that.

thank you that is very good info