Would you still dislike prolifers if they did not agitate against the right to die movement?/stop the right do die?

[noname223]

I am annoyed about stances of figures in media who agitate against the right to die. And in Germany many public figures do that. Whereas the average people want a right to die with dignity.

There are people who called my approach to life delusional. Said to me life is objectively good. And life is a gift. It is wrong wanting to die because of a disability.

I had such conversations and they frustrated me a lot. So much that I stopped having them for the sake of my mental health. I just wonder whether I am prone to the echo chamber effect because I am so sick listening to such takes. I am not sure what weights more. Is it that I am sick to debate the issue? Does it annoy me that others have such a strong impact on my life? They want to force me to stay. On the other hand I have SN stored under my bed. I could die if I wanted. Maybe it is because there are so many hypocrites in media and politics pretending to care about vulnerable people when assisting suicide is discussed while they agitate against poor people on a different ocassion.

Do I consider my subjective perception of life as objectively true? I think I know what is ahead of me. While others tell me you cannot predict your future. But the last decade was a disaster.

Would prolifers be good people if they just minded their own business? Most prolifers function way better than we do. And someone has to carry the productivity in our society. Someone has to subsidize our N. (jokes aside)

Many prolifers procreate. And some in this forum consider this to be evil. But most people that get procreated end up as prolifers. If there was a universal right do die would procreating be less problematic?

Do I get angry at prolifers because they don't acknowledge my perspective on life. Am I simply angry at them because they disagree with me or is it the actual influence that infuriates me.

Actually I don't have an answer to these question. I just can say that I cried a lot today. 3 times.

 

[UnluckyBastard]

Yes I would still hate them because they're insufferable.

 

[ThatGuyOverThere]

politics has ruined every day life, why is my own right over my own body being dictated by a class of people who have decided amongst themselves that they control me.

pro life sentiments are based in self delusion of hope, David Benatar refers to them as optimists, as they instead of acknowledging the reality that most human life is simply not pleasurable enough & way to painful to be able to justify. they'd much rather dream about the hope that some time in the future, that it might become bearable and pleasurable enough to be enjoyable.

that is an irrational way of thought, but an unconscious one. as we humans evolved to keep ourselves alive by any means necessary.

so while I don't have hatred for those who are "Pro-Life" I heavily dislike the belief system itself.

 

[SilentSadness]

I don't really care what other people think, since they don't care either, unfortunately most of them go out of their way to force their selfish opinions onto others.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I'm not even angry at most of them now. It's easy to feel frustrated at people who don't think the same as you. 'How could they be so blind to what's right in front of them?'. No idea. So I don't bother.

 

[ThisIsMe1357]

I would compare this situation to poeple who are religious compared to people who are religious in such an extreme and fundamental way that they are getting on everybody's nerves because they have no idea when to stop. If someone has slightly different way of looking at life, its origin and sprituality than me, then it is perfectly fine. But the moment someone starts going on interviews or podcasts demanding other people do not have sex before marriage, asking for contraception to be prohibited or requesting porn to be illegal, we suddenly have a problem.

It is usually the extreme kind of a person who has this overly strong need to control other people's lives that I could not stand. So, I would only dislike some specific and very loud pro-lifers, not everybody who thinks that way. And the especially worst kind would be the ones who voted against you in a position of power.

 

[Beyond_Repair]

I think if there was a right to die for anyone, procreation wouldn't be such an issue. Someone with a terrible life would have easy access to an end so the people who want to be here would continue to live and procreate and the people who don't would weed themselves out.

But encouraging bringing new people into the world only to trap them in existence without access to a peaceful and accessible exit, and shaming those who take matters into their own hands, is utterly evil

 

[Arahant]

There are people who called my approach to life delusional. Said to me life is objectively good. And life is a gift. It is wrong wanting to die because of a disability.

I want every single one of these mongrels to be forced to try an injection of thorazine.
It completely blocks dopamine receptors, causing immediate and severe depression.
Andrew Huberman mentioned being given it in a hospital, to stop diarrhea, and the otherwise stoic alpha chad scientist was reduced to a sobbing mess that couldn't stop crying, begging to be given levo-dopa to stop the torment.

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

"Life is a gift."
I fucking hate that sentence so much.
As a matter of fact, I hate gifts. 99.9% of the gifts I get are immediately thrown in the trash. So yeah, if life is a gift, it is about to get tossed whether they like it or not.

 

[GuessWhosBack]

Andrew Huberman mentioned being given it in a hospital, to stop diarrhea, and the otherwise stoic alpha chad scientist was reduced to a sobbing mess that couldn't stop crying, begging to be given levo-dopa to stop the torment.

I think they're 3D-printing these people somewhere. I don't follow him that much, so I have no strong opinions on him, but he strikes me as yet another otherwise well-educated guy hopping on the podcast and supplements bandwagon, all while very generously giving blanket recommendations on self-help.

 

[Arahant]

I think they're 3D-printing these people somewhere. I don't follow him that much, so I have no strong opinions on him, but he strikes me as yet another otherwise well-educated guy hopping on the podcast and supplements bandwagon, all while very generously giving blanket recommendations on self-help.

Agree. I stopped respecting him when he spoke positively about finasteride.
"Erybody knows you never go full retard?"

"Life is a gift."
I fucking hate that sentence so much.
As a matter of fact, I hate gifts. 99.9% of the gifts I get are immediately thrown in the trash. So yeah, if life is a gift, it is about to get tossed whether they like it or not.

I too dislike being gifted things. No idea why.

Throwing things out do give me enjoyment, somehow. The nihilistic drive is strong in me.

What do I have to gift you that might not get instantly canned?

 

[ijustwishtodie]

No, I wouldn't hate pro lifers if they allowed us to have access to euthanasia. I would simply take euthanasia to not be a part of society and to be at peace whilst normies can wage slave (and justify it) all they want. I'm only annoyed at pro lifers because they force me into their shit and make me do things that I don't want to do. If they let me be free, I wouldn't care about them at all

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'd still find their approach to life and solving problems invalidating I think. Depends really. I likely would try to avoid such conversations anyway because I find it reaches a point where neither of you will back down. They simply won't accept that a person's problems can't be solved. Or- solved to that person's own personal standard. It tends to either be- you're not trying hard enough, you have a mental illness (that can be cured) or- you're too sensitive- this is what life is- accept it.

It would depend on how protagonistic they were though. How much they forced their beliefs on others. Which they can still do- even if they aren't actively campaigning against the right to die.

 

[Sprite_Geist]

I have never held any hatred for people who enjoy life, because to an extent I enjoy living too. I have only ever disliked the mindset of those who are against suicide, but a person being opposed to suicide does not necessarily mean that they hold a so-called "pro-life" view.