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noname223

Archangel
Aug 18, 2020
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More self-help group stories.

I will try to make it short. One person in my self-help group works in an arm factory. Other people were impressed and asked that person whether she had ethical concerns accepting the offer. The woman is highly gifted but it sounded like she never thought about this question. The two men replied the following. We (Germany) would only support the good nations globally so they had no ethical concerns. And if we didn't send weapons to Saudi-Arabia others would do it anyway.

I considered these three opinions sort of insane. But I didn't want to start a controversy. Germany sends a lot of weapons to Israel and many more questionable nations. I would have liked to ask what they think about that. I also consider it sort of weird that someone intellectually gifted never thought about such a question when working in an arms factory. It is just my conclusion. But the person acted really in a way that makes me assume that.


Honestly, I think I wouldn't do it. Especially if I could find another well-paid job. I am not sure whether I would still have this opinion if I wasn't this fucking traumatized and all these fucked up things didn't happened to me. Maybe I would also be ignorant if nothing went wrong in my life. People like to fade out ugly and horrible things in their life if possible.
 
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LastNite

Sleepless Zombie
Mar 31, 2025
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Money hides the true image of whatever you're doing. Some people are desperate for money. They wouldnt give this much thought.
I can understand the part where someone else would do it. It's sort of true. When Israel became a nation both the U.S and the USSR sought out to be allies. Israel accepted alliance with the U.S instead of the USSR. The USSR which is now Russia doesn't like Israel not because of what they are doing to children and civilians, but because they refused that alliance a while ago and are now with the enemies of Russia.

If we in the U.S didnt send out that alliance then Israel mightve been on the side of the Russians today. Not that it makes a big difference. They probably wouldve still done the same thing and we would probably be funding the terror group just to piss of Russia. The same way we funded AQ in afghanistan against the USSR invasion. If we never funded them then the taliban wouldve never been able to abuse or silence women like they are doing today.
 
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ZwartHartje

Student
May 5, 2026
147
If it were about hunting weapons used to murder innocent animals, then I wouldn't work there.
Weapons of war though, that's "not my circus, not my monkeys." Humans are a scourge of the Earth and have done so much terrible harm to other animals and to the biosphere as a whole, what they may do to other humans weighs little in comparison to that, and it's also kind of inevitable because of the extreme human overpopulation. When there are simply way too many of this one species, it's natural that conflicts will arise more and more - of course not consciously planned in order to reduce the overpopulation, but more like some inescapable subconscious dynamics. Sadly there are very few other things that could still possibly stop the destructiveness of humanity now besides humanity itself. I personally don't care about all the different factions within one species. I care for all the other species who were here before humans evolved.