Method will large doses of valium keep you knocked out, even when drowning?

[_Minsk]

i wonder if its possible to loose consciousness by using some valium/diazepam?

i want to learn more about it because im pretty sure i will use this in addition with
alcohol (in large dose) to pass out and drown.
another question would be if taking large doses of valium will keep me knocked out,
even if im undersea and drowning.

 

[Kumachan]

thats an interesting question, ive never tried drowning on valium but I do have a weird experience with it. Im not sure what the amount in mg was, but I took more than my friends were telling me was the right dose. I think 2 pills instead of 1.

I lost 1 day. I was just sitting there on the floor watching telly, sipping beer for a couple of hours - thats how it felt subjectively. Turned out i spent the whole day and night and came to on the next afternoon... According to my mates i wasnt asleep just sitting there eyes open with the beer mug in my hands, never dropped it once...

 

[_Minsk]

thats an interesting question, ive never tried drowning on valium but I do have a weird experience with it. Im not sure what the amount in mg was, but I took more than my friends were telling me was the right dose. I think 2 pills instead of 1.

I lost 1 day. I was just sitting there on the floor watching telly, sipping beer for a couple of hours - thats how it felt subjectively. Turned out i spent the whole day and night and came to on the next afternoon... According to my mates i wasnt asleep just sitting there eyes open with the beer mug in my hands, never dropped it once...

thanks! thats strange! i did 1 pill (10mg) once and i got pretty sleepy but maybe i can get a feeling for it when i do more for testing, got one whole pack for my panic attacks but i try to not waste too many:3

 

[bpdandme]

I think you will remain unconscious, I know this is completely different but when I have dreams about drowning I unconsciously hold my breathe and it feels like I'm drowning even though I am asleep/not conscious and I wake up gasping/struggling to breathe - I wonder if it would be similar? You may still feel the drowning but not be conscious.

 

[Kumachan]

I think you will remain unconscious....

......You may still feel the drowning but not be conscious.

i think theres a misunderstanding as to what being "conscious" mean - i always thought being unconscious means no perception, no feelings, no time - they put me under for a surgery recently: i was lying there on the gurney and then bam! And i was awake few hours later - the surgery was over. No waiting, no dreams no even "blackness". If, as you say, you see a dream and experience "dream drowning" - you have consciousness - dream consciousness, as opposed to waking consciousness, even though its blurry and dreamy the dreamer, witness, you is there. Unconsciousness means theres no "you" - no one to feel anything.

 

[bpdandme]

i think theres a misunderstanding as to what being "conscious" mean - i always thought being unconscious means no perception, no feelings, no time - they put me under for a surgery recently: i was lying there on the gurney and then bam! And i was awake few hours later - the surgery was over. No waiting, no dreams no even "blackness". If, as you say, you see a dream and experience "dream drowning" - you have consciousness - dream consciousness, as opposed to waking consciousness, even though its blurry and dreamy the dreamer, witness, you is there. Unconsciousness means theres no "you" - no one to feel anything.

I understand it is not the same just a thought! Unconsciousness is lack of awareness of self and environment which sleeping is. People can be knocked out and not experience the lack of perception, my auntie was knocked out when she had surgery but could hear all of her surroundings and her mind was awake. I've had dreams where I have not perceived anything and felt like I just closed my eyes. There are different levels of consciousness and overdosing/being knocked out does not take away the "self" until death occurs, perceiving nothing isn't guaranteed to happen. People have NDE's where they hallucinate or people may experience nothing. Just because you OD it does not mean you'll lose all "self". What you're describing is death.

 

[GoneGoneGone]

I don't know how relevant this is, but I've had for a couple of months at least, a condition called catathrenia. Basically when I was sleeping I was inhaling and holding my breath, exhaling very slowly after a while. It felt like choking, drowning, gasping for air. Anyhow I was abusing benzos with a passion, Valium, Xanax, and others in the benzo family, but this catathrenia thing was always waking me up.

I guess it depends on age, health, tolerance. But I would be very careful, in my opinion most people wake up when they cannot breathe...

 

[Kumachan]

yes, state of deep sleep(no dreams) is akin to death id imagine. Well, self awareness is a higher state - im talking about basic feeling of pain, sound, smell etc. Maybe you have no awareness of "self" but YOU feel touch, or hear sounds. You said your auntie was knocked out, but still could hear - means she was not out! Thats an important distinction. Im not talking about "self" as a philosophical concept - to percieve, feel, there must be someone present, what we call consciousness, or "I". What we are trying to find here on SS is the way to achieve unconsciousness before CTB, basically to stop existing before death in order to avoid pain.

 

[Soul]

One of the denizens of SanctSui described his experience combining alcohol, sedatives and deep-sea drowning. It's in the Resource Compilation and is well worth checking out.

Here's the thread. @Superfluous, I miss you and hope all the right things for you.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/drowning-my-method.17545/post-332956

 

[autumnal]

My guess is you will remain conscious – the urge to breathe, surge of adrenalin and the survival instinct will keep you awake at all costs. However, if the dose is large enough (and I do mean massive), and you have allowed it time to fully kick in, you will probably feel slightly more relaxed and detached from the experience overall, although definitely not to the point of drowning being painless or anything. Just being slightly better overall than drowning without massive amounts of sedatives.

 

[bpdandme]

yes, state of deep sleep(no dreams) is akin to death id imagine. Well, self awareness is a higher state - im talking about basic feeling of pain, sound, smell etc. Maybe you have no awareness of "self" but YOU feel touch, or hear sounds. You said your auntie was knocked out, but still could hear - means she was not out! Thats an important distinction. Im not talking about "self" as a philosophical concept - to percieve, feel, there must be someone present, what we call consciousness, or "I". What we are trying to find here on SS is the way to achieve unconsciousness before CTB, basically to stop existing before death in order to avoid pain.

You can't stop existing before death, that is death. I didn't mean "self" in a philosophical way. If you OD you will still feel pain when knocked out as your body will still be breathing and you'll inhale water. You don't stop feeling pain from being unconscious, too feel nothing is death.!

 

[Kumachan]

you probably never experienced general anaesthesia, to feel nothing means death? If that was true they would have to kill you for a couple of hours, do the surgery and bring you back when its done. Im telling you from experience - general anaesthesia is an instant lights out, they cut you open, do whatever is needed, you feel nothing. No time, no dreams, no sounds, no pain. 3 hours felt like a blink. If i was drowning i wouldnt have noticed. But unfortunately most of us have no access to those drugs.

 

[bpdandme]

you probably never experienced general anaesthesia, to feel nothing means death? If that was true they would have to kill you for a couple of hours, do the surgery and bring you back when its done. Im telling you from experience - general anaesthesia is an instant lights out, they cut you open, do whatever is needed, you feel nothing. No time, no dreams, no sounds, no pain. 3 hours felt like a blink. If i was drowning i wouldnt have noticed. But unfortunately most of us have no access to those drugs.

I have had general anaesthesia and I dreamt when I was put under, it won't be certain that it's blackness. You're not administrating general anaesthetic either but overdosing on a different drug - it's not the same. People have overdosed and had NDE dreams/hallucinations. You're not guarantee to black out and not feel anything. If you think this will work then it's down to you I was just giving my experience.

 

[Epsilon0]

One of the denizens of SanctSui described his experience combining alcohol, sedatives and deep-sea drowning. It's in the Resource Compilation and is well worth checking out.

Here's the thread. @Superfluous, I miss you and hope all the right things for you.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/drowning-my-method.17545/post-332956

Thank you for linking that thread... one of the best I have read.