bilamajina
Member
- Jun 7, 2019
- 42
@Ktenacious007, when you say "The cat dude" do you mean Superfluous?
As Superfluous hasn't posted since 5th July 2019 I suspect he was successful.
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Did I get it right, in that Amitriptyline probably takes longer, but gives time to take sleeping pills? Should one rely most on what is described in the literature or here in the forum, in relation to what is most reliable and peaceful? Of course, I hope that you do not have to choose between such methods.
I spontaneously took 3000 milligrams of amitriptyline ( well I took Doxepin instead which is a substitute) while drunk. I knew nothing of the cocktail so these were the only two ingredients : alcohol and amitriptyline. Since it was spontaneous,I was found and rescued but here's what happened. I took no antiemetics. About thirty minutes after taking it I fell asleep and that was it, no puking,no pain,no a anything other than blissful sleep but due to being found so soon afterwards, I was rescued and woke from a coma over a week later but know for a fact that had I of had at least 24 hours without being found, I would have achieved what I want. After research I believe that taking Tagamet will hasten death but I don't think you even need the benzos or the antiemetics at all. For me ,being drunk will help as it will give me the courage to go through with it but after that all I need is the amitriptyline,the Tagamet,the booze and a place where I can lie down for at least a day without being over. There is no pain whatsoever
squirtsoda
Fallen Eagle
- Jan 19, 2020
- 324
I'm doing SN next due to reliability, as I perceive it to be more reliable based on what I've seen. I have done a amitriptyline cocktail and it would have worked without a doubt had I been found 10 minutes later, I was found at 29 hours after ingestion. I did not do it the recommended way, simply because I didn't know better at the time. 5.5g amitriptyline (not crushed), 500mg quetiapine, 500mg diphenhydramine, probably 20-50mg of zoplidem (don't remember), 10mg lorazepam, 500mL bourbon. It was 100% peaceful, no headache, no nausea, no vomiting, no seizures while I was conscious.
I encourage you to research sodium nitrate deeply as last night I stumbled upon a case study or general website that said it could cause a stroke or heart attack that you may survive from. I'm searching for the link and I'll send it when I find it. It scared me off that method and leaves me with the tried and true amitriptyline cocktail. No antiemetics or benzos. Just alcohol and the Doxepin I substituted for amitriptyline. I took 3000 milligrams. I was found too just like you but I'll be certain not to be again and your right ,it was entirely peaceful. https://www.hindawi.com/journals/criem/2016/9013816/
That link should go to a case study on SN and you may can find more at www.hindawi.com
squirtsoda
Fallen Eagle
- Jan 19, 2020
- 324
He didn't consume enough, would have died still had he not been found, I've seen that one before.
I took 28 25mg of amitriptyline and ended up in a coma for 2 days. the doctors said if i was an hour late to the ER i would have died. i must say it was so peaceful, i just faded. i would definitely recommend this method.
enjolras
Dead are useless if not to love the living more
- Feb 13, 2020
- 1,293
Welcome back !
28 x 25mg is a very very low dose to OD (typical recommendation 8g to 10g). Did you take anything else ?
Usually, an overload of long-acting benzo is at least recommended, plus short-acting benzo preferably, for the cocktail, to avoid waking up in heart pain. Glad you had it peaceful from start to finish. 48hours is also the timeframe window I've read several times recommended. It can be a long process over 24 hours
28 x 25mg is a very very low dose to OD (typical recommendation 8g to 10g). Did you take anything else ?
Usually, an overload of long-acting benzo is at least recommended, plus short-acting benzo preferably, for the cocktail, to avoid waking up in heart pain. Glad you had it peaceful from start to finish. 48hours is also the timeframe window I've read several times recommended. It can be a long process over 24 hours
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autumnal
Enlightened
- Feb 4, 2020
- 1,950
Without getting into the pros and cons of each, one reason might be that Amitriptyline is a restricted medication in a lot of countries whereas SN is an unrestricted product.
LMLN
Paragon
- Aug 10, 2019
- 929
I think this is true. Plus you need a lot more time with Amitriptyline. I think SN is faster.
The first time I took amityrptaline was 200mg. Mistakenly I thought they were an instant relief for anxiety and depression. Didn't get any effects whatsoever that I noticed. And meds were from chemist. Unless they happened to be a bad batch or that my tolerance for drink, opioids and benzos was through the roof.
schopenh
Specialist
- Oct 21, 2019
- 385
I'm not sure if anyone answered. Amitriptyline takes a long time to kill you (apparently anywhere from 12-36 hours compared to the 0.75-4 hours SN takes). The amitriptyline is a sedative but it does not necessarily knock you out for the entire thing so you could conceivably be awake for some of it (SN makes you pass out). So to be extra safe you should probably take a handful of benzos. Amitriptyline tastes woeful, which means you'd need a total lack of gag reflex to actually swallow the solution (yes you can put them in gelatin capsules but this prolongs the process even more). On the other hand SN tastes like salt water, which isn't pleasant but more manageable. Finally, owning SN is completely legal, whereas I'm not too sure about owning a stockpile of amitriptyline, even if you were prescribed it at some point.
EDIT: you said you don't like that you need to take anti-emetics etc. with SN but you take them with amitriptyline too
EDIT: you said you don't like that you need to take anti-emetics etc. with SN but you take them with amitriptyline too
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I have finally got everything I need for the latest version of the Amitriptyline Cocktail, but due to lockdown I can't easily get to my secret place to CTB, and because of the time the OD takes to cause death and I live with others I can't CTB at home. Why does the AC take so long to kill you even with cimetidine!!! I mean I know why, but I wish it didn't as it is/was my preferred method . . . Feeling a bit stressed and confused about what to do now. The key difference I've seen is that SN takes less time than AC to cause death, which decreases the chances of being found in time to be rescued. I can still feel the anger when I came out of a coma in ITU and realised someone had found me and I had failed. I think I am going to research SN more and maybe order some tomorrow . . .
To take the awful taste, use something to numb your tongue: phenol, clove, benzydamine hcl, benzocaine ( lidocaine, etc.)
I've tried it, man it takes away the taste 90% maybe, but it's absolutely bearable !!! Plus, ami has numbing effect also added to the bonus.
2 days ago I tried it, and it taste like drinking bitter tea maybe, very light bitter, especially if you take it really quick! I was playing it around in my mouth to see how bitter it is and it's not bad at all ! Leaving my whole mouth numb due to ami.
You can test it yourself, use proportional formula I learned in chem class. 6gr/ 200 ml equal to ? Gr/ 10 ml . 6 gr is the amount of ami you'll take, 200 ml is the amount of water you're going to use to dilute 6 gr of ami. ? Gr is the amount of ami you're going to use to test in (in this case) 10 ml of water. I think you can use as low as 5 ml to save ami. The idea is that the concentration on the left (the real cocktail) is the same with concentration on right (the sample), so it's like you take 10 ml of the actual cocktail and test taste it!
Note : for those planning to take ami cocktail, read not only pph, but also Guide to Human Self Chosen Death by Admiraal. Wiki suicide on ami also good. Lastly, yesterday, I just downloaded and read Five Last Acts by Chris Docker (800 pages!) 2015 edition, it contains lots of information on ami cocktail titled Tricyclic Legacy. Very good info ! All of these available in sticky thread "resources" in this forum board :)
Note: I am using Benzy hcl (mouthwash form)to numb. My recommendation, 15 ml for 5 minutes, followed another 15 ml for 5 mins, total of 10 minutes! For maximum numbing power. You may feel little hurt on your tongue. If whenever you feel that the whole tongue has been numbed, do stop.
You must numb your whole tongue ( upper, side, bottom, etc). You should feel the tingling sensations in the upper,side, bottom of your tongue, unless it won't work ! If you feel the tingling you know for sure that area is numbed, and it works !
The way to know if it worked or not is to prepare very bitter drink beforehand and play it around inside your mouth and you'll know which area is not numbed. You may need to redo in case those area is not properly numbed.
Be careful if you're using clove, don't think it's not strong enough. There's one case somebody lost sense of taste permanently due to overusing it.
I've tried it, man it takes away the taste 90% maybe, but it's absolutely bearable !!! Plus, ami has numbing effect also added to the bonus.
2 days ago I tried it, and it taste like drinking bitter tea maybe, very light bitter, especially if you take it really quick! I was playing it around in my mouth to see how bitter it is and it's not bad at all ! Leaving my whole mouth numb due to ami.
You can test it yourself, use proportional formula I learned in chem class. 6gr/ 200 ml equal to ? Gr/ 10 ml . 6 gr is the amount of ami you'll take, 200 ml is the amount of water you're going to use to dilute 6 gr of ami. ? Gr is the amount of ami you're going to use to test in (in this case) 10 ml of water. I think you can use as low as 5 ml to save ami. The idea is that the concentration on the left (the real cocktail) is the same with concentration on right (the sample), so it's like you take 10 ml of the actual cocktail and test taste it!
Note : for those planning to take ami cocktail, read not only pph, but also Guide to Human Self Chosen Death by Admiraal. Wiki suicide on ami also good. Lastly, yesterday, I just downloaded and read Five Last Acts by Chris Docker (800 pages!) 2015 edition, it contains lots of information on ami cocktail titled Tricyclic Legacy. Very good info ! All of these available in sticky thread "resources" in this forum board :)
Note: I am using Benzy hcl (mouthwash form)to numb. My recommendation, 15 ml for 5 minutes, followed another 15 ml for 5 mins, total of 10 minutes! For maximum numbing power. You may feel little hurt on your tongue. If whenever you feel that the whole tongue has been numbed, do stop.
You must numb your whole tongue ( upper, side, bottom, etc). You should feel the tingling sensations in the upper,side, bottom of your tongue, unless it won't work ! If you feel the tingling you know for sure that area is numbed, and it works !
The way to know if it worked or not is to prepare very bitter drink beforehand and play it around inside your mouth and you'll know which area is not numbed. You may need to redo in case those area is not properly numbed.
Be careful if you're using clove, don't think it's not strong enough. There's one case somebody lost sense of taste permanently due to overusing it.
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enjolras
Dead are useless if not to love the living more
- Feb 13, 2020
- 1,293
Are there laws that constraint someone to consume or dump prescribed medication ? when not hospitalised against the will for the motive to be dangerous to others or yourself ? Wouldn't it go against fundamental rights of self-determination, self-preservation and property of one's health ?
Are there laws that judge you as a trafficking dealer if prescribed meds are stockpiled ?
I'd like to check upon this hypothesis (seriously curious)
In practice, minors accumulating bottles to decorate a mini-bar at home don't get to worry to be hunted after purchase.
I'm guessing that gun collectors, despite lawful acquisitions, must respect quotas to not transform into a threatening army depot ?
Indeed, there's confidence to be gained by reading other ressources than the PPH, and discussion boards.
I believe the provocative assertion to keep the conversation going is that Amitriptyline can be more peaceful than SN if undertook in the right conditions, which are more demanding.
The transition to unconsciousness can be free of unpleasant sensations, unlike SN, then if Ami is supplemented with the right combo, you supposedly never wake up, with no more symptoms. But the whole thing requires careful preparation and likely attentive sourcing, since most drugs of the cocktail will be acquired illegally often, so there is more unknown on their realistic quality (nature & potency) when they are acquired from an Indian internet pharma and/or the dark web.
Getting rescued is the first and foremost issue. On this ground, it is more suited for someone who'd live alone without much social contact to check on him/her.
For what it's worth, the PPH ratings, in april 2020 are : reliability 7 vs 8-9 (8 in the global RPA chapter, 9 in the Ami chapter), peacefulness 7* (with some uncertainty) vs 7
Personally, I'd be tempted tp edit these ratings, because SN has proved very reliable (from reports, plus due to easy legal quality sourcing & the fact only 1 fatal component is central) while acting in a chrono short time
On the other hand, Ami has the possibility (not certitude, but closely guaranteed if well prepared) to be entirely peaceful (when SN's side effects are certainly more nuanced most of the time). Successful self-deliverances with Ami are few to be confirmed from a lack of records and meanwhile it's possible to find many times a good proportion of users who survived it, but most always, after having not followed all the recommendations completely.
There is incertitude with Ami (hence why I'd personally rate it less reliable). The only shortcoming I spotted is about possible sequels (lasting, more or less fading) for those who were very close to have it right, but forgot either a key element, or underestimated a mix of details (on the low side of a massive dose, plus just not enough time undiscovered, plus some improvisation over satellite drugs)
The main difference is that SN is readily fatal at low doses (lower than the communicated recommendations), is a danger multiple times at any size of available packaging, so it's hard to fuck up even if the preparation is skipped or messed up and the scene not neglected ...opposed to Ami which is easy to survive if you have not prepared extensively (access of very large quantities, research & choice of the supplements) or forget about the set & setting which is primordial.
Consequently, SN can fit with impulsive intents the bulldozer way, while Ami absolutely not, its course is tied to one's involvement.
Arguably, the match point can turn in the favour of Ami if trading a worse taste against a lack of symptoms leads to a more lush end, and the rest be arranged. It's just not directed at anyone that cannot get its facts straight, is not considerate and meticulous. Otherwise, it seems to me that it remains unpopular due to an unmotivated aversion. It likely won't be fashionable again unless legal options (SN & ReBreather) fade following (incertain) market restrictions.
schopenh
Specialist
- Oct 21, 2019
- 385
I don't know the answers to the questions. If you ever find out please let me know. I might look into it myself at some stage
Thanks... I just had an argument with my mum now. So when I go back abroad I might try this again and just end myself once and for all.
I didnt take anything else. Although my weight is 40kg so I dont know if that played a role. I took them at 10am, was rushed to the clinic at 10:30am. By this time I was knocked out, my mum told me i was fighting the nurses cause i didnt want to have the charcoal solution, and my veins where collapsing. They called the ambulance, rushed me to hospital. The doctors were working on me from about 11am. They got me on ventilators and admitted me at 11pm. 2 days later the doctors removed the tubes and stuff told me it's a miracle I'm alive. My throat was a little sore, lost my voice. The doctors gave me jabs of antibiotics 3 times a day and blood thinners cause they were afraid my blood was gonna start clotting. Stayed in hospital for 5 days. Now I'm fine again. So I think the weight plays a big role, I'm not sure though, but that was my experience. I dont remember anything, what I said or what I did. Hope it helps someone find peace.
