Why do people choose sn if it's not a certain death?

[divinemistress36]

So far from reports if it fails it doesnt seem to cause serious damage which why it will be my method

 

[iwantitalltoend]

Humans are not immortal; there are diseases even in nature with 100% fatality rate in humans. If you pick a method with 100% fatality, and pass the point of no return, you are not surviving, no matter what happens.

What methods do you think have 100% fatality, or at least close to 100% fatality? Also what do you think about sn, do you think it's a reliable method?

 

[Romanticize]

What methods do you think have 100% fatality, or at least close to 100% fatality? Also what do you think about sn, do you think it's a reliable method?

In theory, there are 100% methods, but it's people who fuck them up. Like train or gun - if your move your body or hand just a little bit.

100% methods:
guillotine is the best, as it cannot be botched. I heard one case of person building guillotine in his bedroom - but it needs to be high, heavy and sharp enough
Brain injury where skull is crushed or destroyed to the point that brain leaks out is also 100%. But how to achieve it is the trick.
Big gauge shotgun intraorally is also 100% I would say. No matter if you move your hand, whole head gets obliterated.

Drowning in deep sea is 100%, but no one can find you for hours to be sure.

People also go for complex suicides (two or even three methods, all lethal - if one fails, other method will kill you), like they shoot themselves in head, while standing near water -> even if you survive the shot, you will drown etc.

On the other hand, jumping is not 100%. People jumped and survived from absurd heights. However, 100+ m jump onto concrete is 99,9% i would say. SN, if done correctly (meto, fasting, benzos) I would say is also 99%. Many people fail SN because of panic (no benzos?) and they end up calling 911. If you minimize that, method is close to 100%.

But only catastrophic brain injury methods are 100%, but it's also easy to botch them.

 

[madwoman8]

I would love a suicide pill - like you just take it when you are ready and peacefully fall asleep. But that doesn't exist or if it does on the dark web, to acquire it would be extremely hard and def not sure about reliability of it. I chose SN bc it's not as complicated as other methods and listed more along the lines of peaceful. I just imagine I may feel really sick and I can handle that. I don't want to do anything violent and unfortunately OD'ing on pills rarely works and I'm also not trying to do anything illegal and possibly go to jail or something. The other method I was thinking about was the helium exit bag but it seems more complicated - both getting the supplies and hooking it all up right and then bag might fall off. Also if I decide to go to a hotel, how am I going to carry a tank? I don't know - having to swallow a lethal substance just seems like an easier choice. I've read many accounts where it fails (like those that have tested a small amount or got medical help quickly, I'm not seeing much long term effects). Especially compared to other methods. Also fyi, my mom committed a gun - but her first time she did it in her temple she survived and was blind (had a glass eye) and her brain wasn't right, lost all her family and just everything from that. She lived like that for a year and somehow got ahold of another gun and ending up decapitating herself - which is horrifying. But I understand her darkness and it breaks my heart that she lived like that. I considered a gun since it's more lethal but if it fails, there are extreme consequences and physical defects and brain injuries and I can't risk that. Also horrifying clean up. But yeah like others said, you have to find the method that suits you and come to terms with the pros and cons & be sure you are mentally sure you want to ctb

 

[iwantitalltoend]

In theory, there are 100% methods, but it's people who fuck them up. Like train or gun - if your move your body or hand just a little bit.

100% methods:
guillotine is the best, as it cannot be botched. I heard one case of person building guillotine in his bedroom - but it needs to be high, heavy and sharp enough
Brain injury where skull is crushed or destroyed to the point that brain leaks out is also 100%. But how to achieve it is the trick.
Big gauge shotgun intraorally is also 100% I would say. No matter if you move your hand, whole head gets obliterated.

Drowning in deep sea is 100%, but no one can find you for hours to be sure.

People also go for complex suicides (two or even three methods, all lethal - if one fails, other method will kill you), like they shoot themselves in head, while standing near water -> even if you survive the shot, you will drown etc.

On the other hand, jumping is not 100%. People jumped and survived from absurd heights. However, 100+ m jump onto concrete is 99,9% i would say. SN, if done correctly (meto, fasting, benzos) I would say is also 99%. Many people fail SN because of panic (no benzos?) and they end up calling 911. If you minimize that, method is close to 100%.

But only catastrophic brain injury methods are 100%, but it's also easy to botch them.

Did you read my original post? Do you really think sn is so reliable? If we don't know for sure its purity then how can we be sure it's a reliable method? From what I read sn should have at least 95% purity to be lethal. Even if the sources we buy sn from claim sn is pure, what if it's not as pure as they claim, what if it's not pure enough to be lethal? The aquarium test strips and blood test aren't very reliable because they don't show you the exact percentage of the purity, the aquarium tests just give you an idea of the level of nitrites present in sn based on the colour charts on the strips. I have sn from BO, they sell sn from the polish source BM, on BO's website they say the purity is at least 98% but is it really, what if it's not pure enough to be lethal? That's what worries me about sn. If it's not pure enough to kill me and if I fail and survive in a worse condition then it would be horrible, some people think no long lasting damage can be caused by sn but that's not true, based on what sn does to the body it can lead to serious damage if you survive

 

[Apathy79]

If you follow the protocol, it's highly likely to work. If you've purchased from a reputable source, purity is almost certainly fine. It's not as certain as a shotgun to the head, but many people prefer it all things considered.

 

[Romanticize]

Did you read my original post? Do you really think sn is so reliable? If we don't know for sure its purity then how can we be sure it's a reliable method? From what I read sn should have at least 95% purity to be lethal. Even if the sources we buy sn from claim sn is pure, what if it's not as pure as they claim, what if it's not pure enough to be lethal? The aquarium test strips and blood test aren't very reliable because they don't show you the exact percentage of the purity, the aquarium tests just give you an idea of the level of nitrites present in sn based on the colour charts on the strips. I have sn from BO, they sell sn from the polish source BM, on BO's website they say the purity is at least 98% but is it really, what if it's not pure enough to be lethal? That's what worries me about sn. If it's not pure enough to kill me and if I fail and survive in a worse condition then it would be horrible, some people think no long lasting damage can be caused by sn but that's not true, based on what sn does to the body it can lead to serious damage if you survive

Yes, SN is very reliable if done correctly and according to protocol (fasting, meto, benzos). I can't give 100% [as 100% for me is reserved for certain decapitation or catastrophic brain injury - your brain outside the skull]. Correctly done SN is 97-99% I would say. Some people would want 100%, but it's good enough trust me, other methods are even lower.

Purity is not that important, even 90% is OK - just adjust for the dose.

For example if you want to ingest 20g of pure SN, and your SN is 95% pure [or you just want some safety margin] you need to do: 20 * 100/95 = 21,05g. If your SN was 90%, then the dose would be around 22,5g etc. Just adjust for purity, and you're good to go.

 

[iwantitalltoend]

Yes, SN is very reliable if done correctly and according to protocol (fasting, meto, benzos). I can't give 100% [as 100% for me is reserved for certain decapitation or catastrophic brain injury - your brain outside the skull]. Correctly done SN is 97-99% I would say. Some people would want 100%, but it's good enough trust me, other methods are even lower.

Purity is not that important, even 90% is OK - just adjust for the dose.

For example if you want to ingest 20g of pure SN, and your SN is 95% pure [or you just want some safety margin] you need to do: 20 * 100/95 = 21,05g. If your SN was 90%, then the dose would be around 22,5g etc. Just adjust for purity, and you're good to go.

But we don't know for sure just how pure sn is, that's what I'm saying. If we're not sure about its purity, if it's pure enough to kill us, then how can we be sure that the method will work? Even if the sources we buy from say it's pure, we don't know for sure if it's true. As I said, the aquarium test strips and blood test aren't very reliable because they don't show the exact percentage of the purity

 

[sanction]

I'm curious how come there isn't more people suggesting to put it into capsules

I remember a while ago, there were mentions about capsules not recommended because it would require many of them

I forgot how many teaspoons of SN is generally needed, probably something like a few teaspoons?

If so, that amount converted into capsules, shouldn't be that many in the end, in my opinion

In this case, wouldn't capsules help decrease the chance of vomiting? Since you won't taste the SN directly

Even If it's swallowing 10 capsules, or a dozen (or whatever amount), it shouldn't be that bad??

Unless if the concern is having to drink too much water, in order to swallow all the capsules?

Does anyone know why SN in capsules don't seem to be more popular choice? Since lots of people seem to always vomit right after taking SN. I'm assuming it's mainly because of the taste? Or something related?

 

[Dqope]

But we don't know for sure just how pure sn is, that's what I'm saying. If we're not sure about its purity, if it's pure enough to kill us, then how can we be sure that the method will work? Even if the sources we buy from say it's pure, we don't know for sure if it's true. As I said, the aquarium test strips and blood test aren't very reliable because they don't show the exact percentage of the purity

Thats why you get it from good sources. Your beating a dead horse. Thats like saying to an addict that doesnt want to die - there arent really sources where you know its 100% the thing you want and not laced with fent - in this case for SN you just have to go with big and reputable brands. Going into this is risky just as everything that isnt legal is. Most people get away with doing illegal shit but some still get caught. I mean there are side effects for a lot of drugs and pills but what - your not gonna take them cuzz you might be that 0.0001% person that gets that shitty side effect? You I guess would say no to it even if you really needed it. Thats just you. If you want to rope or go by train or by guillotine be my guest. But I feel like your just trying to be out there. Thete is always rat poison if you want. SN is the method for me (thats all I know). I always wanted it to feel like your going to sleep and eat really salty food already so I guess this is for me. By your logic the best way to go would be to use sn and get to sleep and then 1h down the line have a bomb detonate there is no more of you in one piece. Is that guaranteed? Your trying to make a point and thus arent open to a new opinion or a different angle. I know this is pointless to write to you.

 

[quietwoods]

I'm curious how come there isn't more people suggesting to put it into capsules

I remember a while ago, there were mentions about capsules not recommended because it would require many of them

I forgot how many teaspoons of SN is generally needed, probably something like a few teaspoons?

If so, that amount converted into capsules, shouldn't be that many in the end, in my opinion

In this case, wouldn't capsules help decrease the chance of vomiting? Since you won't taste the SN directly

Even If it's swallowing 10 capsules, or a dozen (or whatever amount), it shouldn't be that bad??

Unless if the concern is having to drink too much water, in order to swallow all the capsules?

Does anyone know why SN in capsules don't seem to be more popular choice? Since lots of people seem to always vomit right after taking SN. I'm assuming it's mainly because of the taste? Or something related?

The reason why they aren't popular is that capsules slow down the absorption of SN into your system.

It's not dramatic (unless you use enteric pills), but it does take time for your stomach to break down gelatin capsules and this may slow the release of SN, delaying unconsciousness and death and increasing the chances you may vomit before enough SN has been absorbed.

Enteric pills are interesting though. They are designed to make it through the stomach without breaking down. Presumably this would allow the SN to make it to the small intestine without vomiting as no SN would be released.

 

[sanction]

The reason why they aren't popular is that capsules slow down the absorption of SN into your system.

It's not dramatic (unless you use enteric pills), but it does take time for your stomach to break down gelatin capsules and this may slow the release of SN, delaying unconsciousness and death and increasing the chances you may vomit before enough SN has been absorbed.

Enteric pills are interesting though. They are designed to make it through the stomach without breaking down. Presumably this would allow the SN to make it to the small intestine without vomiting as no SN would be released.

So in this case, capsules basically make SN less effective and reliable for CTB?

 

[quietwoods]

So in this case, capsules basically make SN less effective and reliable for CTB?

There have been a few successes with CTB when using capsules that I know of.

It's not unreliable so much as it adds complexity and slows down the process, which can increase the rate of failure.

If someone can't stomach the taste of SN as a liquid, capsules are a valid route in my opinion.

 

[iwantitalltoend]

Thats why you get it from good sources. Your beating a dead horse. Thats like saying to an addict that doesnt want to die - there arent really sources where you know its 100% the thing you want and not laced with fent - in this case for SN you just have to go with big and reputable brands. Going into this is risky just as everything that isnt legal is. Most people get away with doing illegal shit but some still get caught. I mean there are side effects for a lot of drugs and pills but what - your not gonna take them cuzz you might be that 0.0001% person that gets that shitty side effect? You I guess would say no to it even if you really needed it. Thats just you. If you want to rope or go by train or by guillotine be my guest. But I feel like your just trying to be out there. Thete is always rat poison if you want. SN is the method for me (thats all I know). I always wanted it to feel like your going to sleep and eat really salty food already so I guess this is for me. By your logic the best way to go would be to use sn and get to sleep and then 1h down the line have a bomb detonate there is no more of you in one piece. Is that guaranteed? Your trying to make a point and thus arent open to a new opinion or a different angle. I know this is pointless to write to you.

Good sources like what? Even if the sources are "good", "big" or "reputable" we still don't know for sure how pure the sn is, even if they say it's pure, that's what I'm saying. And how do we define what a "big" or "reputable" source is? Just because it gets shared here does it really make it reliable enough? I also would like to take sn and die, it would be better than other methods, so I'm not trying to make a point saying that it's not reliable at all but I'm not sure just how reliable it really is since it's a fairly new method and not very well known, even if there are some studies about it on the internet. We don't know for sure if people who said they took sn really died or if they survived in a worse condition if we don't know them personally or don't have proof about it. Maybe some people really died, maybe for some the method worked but we don't know if it worked for everyone. I already read a lot about this method and saw many different opinions about it so it's not true that I'm not open to other ideas. I don't know what to believe about sn anymore from all the informations and different opinions I read

 

[pengin]

I think people forget that guns or noble gases exist.

 

[Dqope]

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Good sources like what? Even if the sources are "good", "big" or "reputable" we still don't know for sure how pure the sn is, even if they say it's pure, that's what I'm saying. And how do we define what a "big" or "reputable" source is? Just because it gets shared here does it really make it reliable enough? I also would like to take sn and die, it would be better than other methods, so I'm not trying to make a point saying that it's not reliable at all but I'm not sure just how reliable it really is since it's a fairly new method and not very well known, even if there are some studies about it on the internet. We don't know for sure if people who said they took sn really died or if they survived in a worse condition if we don't know them personally or don't have proof about it. Maybe some people really died, maybe for some the method worked but we don't know if it worked for everyone. I already read a lot about this method and saw many different opinions about it so it's not true that I'm not open to other ideas. I don't know what to believe about sn anymore from all the informations and different opinions I read

It seems like you want to make sure that you got the purest of SN that you can get your hands on. Then I would suggest as a lot of ppl I know are chemists and there are good chemist forums you could just synthesize your own SN. Saw a post on there that its harder for them aswell to get SN because of the regulations and if you look though them and try to piece it together you can do it. Get other chemicals that are quite regulated too and just make your own one. There is always a way to get one thing from another. If you just have to do one or two reactions its fine but the less materials (not the right materials) you can get your hands on the harder or complicated it gets. And thats kind of the problem. Its hard to get info if you arent a chemist yourself. Its easy to make drugs and weapons but who will give you the right info - thats the question. But for SN you could probably get away with it if you get some rep and ask some ppl via PM...

 

[ginko0]

My biggest fear concerning SN is this: there's no telling how long consciousness will last. Even recorded cases where the person is apparently "asleep" says nothing. From the lack of oxygen in the tissues, they become sort of paralyzed, tired and heavy, which means they can't move. But how can one be certain that consciousness is no longer there, as a trapped mind in a unmoving body? I'd hate to experience that prison-like state. I'm now considering hanging or gun, even though getting a gun is hard where I live.

 

[DoomedDarkCircles]

I think people forget that guns or noble gases exist.

about the guns, i kinda don't want a gruesome death and i don't live in the united states

 

[EmptyBottle]

SN is very reliable, as long as you don't vomit it up too quickly.

If you manage to keep enough of it in your stomach, it is 100% lethal at the recommended dosage.

The people you see failing either deviated from protocol or vomited too quickly. The last data I've seen indicated an ~80% success rate.

or went to hospital within a short timeframe, and got methelyne blue. (oops, someone said it before)

For me, when I attempted in 2022, I didn't choose SN because I didn't yet have access to my bank account (I got access in march 2023 after eventually visiting a branch and changing the account type)... it wasn't because I couldn't wait a few days for delivery or a few hours of fasting.

Neither did I choose inert gas (same reason, not just because the setup could be tricky... yes 10l tank in a car could have offed me), but rather, modified NN with sock... but I skipped the steps I couldn't easily recall and survived. If only I had a virtual testing world where I can test the complete method, wake up in the real world, and post on how it went... since my death wish has faded (and likely will remain faded for a few days at the minimum)

 

[neenie]

Because there aren't dramatic consequences when you fail

 

[Defenestration]

Par exemple, je ne fais pas confiance à Sn. Pour être honnête, la meilleure méthode est de sauter. Pas pour moi, car je me retrouve paralysé même sur le pont, mais pour ceux qui n'ont pas peur du vide, c'est la meilleure méthode.

Same but i have lost my place of ctb

 

[SelineDion]

Because there aren't dramatic consequences when you fail

Would not be so sure about that.

I read a ton on this forum, and it seems that SN is not that good of a method as suggested by all the members here. I always wonder how they can be so sure in saying that SN works so good even if they never tried it themselves…

 

[neenie]

Would not be so sure about that.

I read a ton on this forum, and it seems that SN is not that good of a method as suggested by all the members here. I always wonder how they can be so sure in saying that SN works so good even if they never tried it themselves…

I'm really not the right person to say this to but I've only come across one thread where the person suffered long-term consequences, I'm genuinely curious why you don't think it's safe? Could you please provide me with some literature / reports / else?

 

[iwantitalltoend]

My biggest fear concerning SN is this: there's no telling how long consciousness will last. Even recorded cases where the person is apparently "asleep" says nothing. From the lack of oxygen in the tissues, they become sort of paralyzed, tired and heavy, which means they can't move. But how can one be certain that consciousness is no longer there, as a trapped mind in a unmoving body? I'd hate to experience that prison-like state. I'm now considering hanging or gun, even though getting a gun is hard where I live.

Where did you hear about those cases where the person is asleep from? Do you think what you said can happen from sn?

 

[ginko0]

Where did you hear about those cases where the person is asleep from? Do you think what you said can happen from sn?

What I meant is that they may look asleep, as in unconscious, but there's no way to confirm if they really are. There are two recorded cases which I've seen on this forum, and that's my fear when I watch them: that what looks as a unconscious person is actually a person unable to move, but very much aware.

 

[kopebaldy]

Recently someone claimed to ingest 70g yet still alive.

Sure they got discovered and saved really quick but still... that's 70g dude, almost triple the already overkill dosage and still isn't a sure kill.

This gives me so much anxiety, I only have 4-5 hrs alone before it get suspicious, which is way less than the recommended 24 hrs.

Should I just down like 100 g and hope for the best?

 

[blacksand]

Why not drive deep into a forest without taking a phone, disable the car, then walk into the forest and take the SN.

 

[iwantitalltoend]

What I meant is that they may look asleep, as in unconscious, but there's no way to confirm if they really are. There are two recorded cases which I've seen on this forum, and that's my fear when I watch them: that what looks as a unconscious person is actually a person unable to move, but very much aware.

Do you know where you saw the cases you mentioned, do you have links to them? I haven't seen them

 

[Manic Panic]

Because of how you pass out and recovery if you fail is better then other methods.

 

[ginko0]

Do you know where you saw the cases you mentioned, do you have links to them? I haven't seen them

If you search "new video" you'll find a recent post containing some chinese cases. There was also phoebie and strawberrypanic, two brazilian users that had their passing recorded. Those are the ones I've seen.