Why Partial Hangings are Difficult to Get Right....

[hell toupee]

Having read the entire hanging megathread, it is my opinion that partial hangings are difficult to get right because they rely on a delicate balance of occluding the carotid arteries so you pass out.

The problem with all hangings in general is that you are using a blunt force method where you are applying pressure to the entire neck, not just the carotid arteries. And if the blood flow is not stopped right away, you end up with a lot of suffering (suffocation, exploding head feeling, etc.).

Getting the carotids pinched immediately seems to involve a lot of trial and error, however, once you've got it, even if you fall unconscious, when you are in the partial position, any tiny adjustment to that pressure on your carotids could restore some semblance of blood flow to your brain, meaning you will survive. Whether that's involuntary movements (scientists have observed people straightening their arms and legs while unconscious during hangings), or anything else, that is too big of a risk for me to take. Because now you would have to explain to someone why you have exploded capillaries all over your face (red spots), a huge bruise around your neck, possible bloodshot eyes, etc - which is what people in that thread have reported with unsuccessful partial hangings.

It is my opinion that the only way to insure your carotids are in fact 100% occluded almost immediately is via full suspension, which is kind of a double edged sword, because it definitely takes a lot of courage to kick the stool over, knowing that if you are in fact one of the minority who doesn't pass out right away, you are going to suffer by suffocating and panicking.

While partial allows you to dip your toes in the water, so to speak, it also is risky, imo. As stated, even if you've got the variables of knot/rope placement just right, that could be easily disrupted with involuntarily movement. My worst nightmare would be having the carotids blocked enough to make me pass out, but still allow some kind of trickle to keep the brain alive. In that scenario, you will emerge with brain damage and could end up making your life 1000x worse.

 

[Dingusguy]

Yeah honestly there isn't really many appealing ways to CTB. And the few I can think off are not feasible for a lot of people. It is tiresome to consider all your options just to go to bed again feeling absolutely no closer to a solution.

 

[Frenchy222]

Yeah, that's my dilemma right now.

I have managed to find my sweet spot and pass out after a long time of trying. Two times I nearly died, but at the last second, the involuntary SI kicks in, and I'm standing back up after spinning around like a pendulum.

My sweet spot is under the Adam's apple with a microfiber cloth and 1/2 inch rope. However, I doubt the rope will stay in the position for the whole time, and come loose and go under my chin, which could wake me up again.

I'm wondering if I had too much slack between the anchor point (tree) and my neck, allowing my body to spin around.

 

[Whole-Ad]

I tried partial hanging when I was sectioned in hospital in 2022. I used a shoelace (that's all I had) and the anchor point was a plastic disc on the wall that should not have been there, in the bathroom. It was about waist height.

I kneeled on the floor facing the wall with the shoelace tied in a slipknot, which allowed the shoelace to tighten as much as possible around my neck. I leaned back at let the shoelace tighten.

It was very uncomfortable, I had researched prior to doing this so I knew what I was supposed to be doing. I struggled to cut off the carotids at first which gave me such a painful feeling in my head, basically like it was going to explode. My head was pounding. I probably tried for about 10 minutes before I thought I had finally got it right.

Until a nurse came into my room and knocked on the bathroom door. And I don't even think I heard her knock because I was very light headed. I just remember the door opening and someone shouting then unhooking the shoelace from around the plastic disc.

I struggled to stand up since I was very dizzy, but eventually was helped out of the bathroom and put onto my bed. The nurse called the doctor to come check me over, everything was fine apart from having tenderness around my neck, especially where the knot was, and my neck had bruised. From then I was put on 1:1 where a nurse basically watches you 24/7 so not fun.

 

[PixelatedPixie0]

Not knocking it, but for many of the reasons the OP listed, I'd never seriously consider partial hanging as a method. Full suspension hanging is my pick, personally, although if I can sort out acquiring a shotgun (and how to shorten the barrel so my short ass can actually fit it into my mouth and reach the trigger) it might be the top pick based on lethality alone. There's only a 5% difference in success rate between firearms and hanging, but firearms are technically a better bet.

 

[superbfrawg]

Partial always seems to me like, if i could guarantee that it would work 100% perfectly, I would do. The materials needed are so little, its not like you need a crazy setup for it, but theres just too many variables and even the small chance of suffocating to death is too terrifying for me to consider it

 

[hell toupee]

Not knocking it, but for many of the reasons the OP listed, I'd never seriously consider partial hanging as a method. Full suspension hanging is my pick, personally, although if I can sort out acquiring a shotgun (and how to shorten the barrel so my short ass can actually fit it into my mouth and reach the trigger) it might be the top pick based on lethality alone. There's only a 5% difference in success rate between firearms and hanging, but firearms are technically a better bet.

Agreed - if I was able to obtain a firearm, that would be the direction I would go - especially if I were able to drive out in to the mountains or a rural area.

I live in the city, and there is a reason a lot of gang bangers survive gunshot wounds these days (including to the head) - trauma surgeons have gotten really, really good at what they do.

But ya, I would go for a shotgun - there is no coming back from that. But a regular firearm I would only use if I was certain nobody would be able to hear it and rush me to the hospital.

 

[AbandonedGirl]

I would like to knock this off of my list due to how many times I tried and failed to find that spot where you just pass out but at this point I have no choice. Due to previous attempts meds are hidden from me (plus they often prescribe me stuff that is hard to overdose on due to that too). Partial hanging is not pretty at all nor comfortable, from my experience i just cough a lot and end up with bad pain of cable (thats what I can find thats what I use) pressing on the front of my neck. I aligned with my carotids and everything and I just sit there coughing and nothing. I have no other choice but to keep trying this as sadly my country does not allow firearms especially for someone like me. But if I had a gun I would go for it in an instant, no questions asked.

 

[hell toupee]

I would like to knock this off of my list due to how many times I tried and failed to find that spot where you just pass out but at this point I have no choice. Due to previous attempts meds are hidden from me (plus they often prescribe me stuff that is hard to overdose on due to that too). Partial hanging is not pretty at all nor comfortable, from my experience i just cough a lot and end up with bad pain of cable (thats what I can find thats what I use) pressing on the front of my neck. I aligned with my carotids and everything and I just sit there coughing and nothing. I have no other choice but to keep trying this as sadly my country does not allow firearms especially for someone like me. But if I had a gun I would go for it in an instant, no questions asked.

I'm very sorry to hear your struggle.

I think a lot of us here exist in this grey area hell - where we no longer want to be part of this existence, but can't find an easy way to facilitate that.

In the interest of harm reduction, and what I mean by that is it would suck to end up worse off then you already are, I would not continue trying something that is not working. You are just torturing yourself.

You really should read through the mega thread. You are not alone in having trouble, but as I originally stated, partial is a delicate balance of knot position, rope placement, and body position. The OP in that thread with the picture of the positions should just be looked at as some basic ideas that lead you in the right direction. I would not interpret it as "if you do this, you will ctb". More like "if you start here, and play with these variables, you might be successful".

Just my opinion though - I am certainly no expert.

 

[AbandonedGirl]

I'm very sorry to hear your struggle.

I think a lot of us here exist in this grey area hell - where we no longer want to be part of this existence, but can't find an easy way to facilitate that.

In the interest of harm reduction, and what I mean by that is it would suck to end up worse off then you already are, I would not continue trying something that is not working. You are just torturing yourself.

You really should read through the mega thread. You are not alone in having trouble, but as I originally stated, partial is a delicate balance of knot position, rope placement, and body position. The OP in that thread with the picture of the positions should just be looked at as some basic ideas that lead you in the right direction. I would not interpret it as "if you do this, you will ctb". More like "if you start here, and play with these variables, you might be successful".

Just my opinion though - I am certainly no expert.

Yeah I know, thank you for responding, spending time to read I appreciate it. I am no expert, in fact I am clumsy. I followed OP and megathread many times but I guess I am just stupid or something. Still thank you for responding!

 

[hell toupee]

Yeah I know, thank you for responding, spending time to read I appreciate it. I am no expert, in fact I am clumsy. I followed OP and megathread many times but I guess I am just stupid or something. Still thank you for responding!

Of course!

We all have our own strengths and weaknesses. My now deceased wife was very clumsy - I used to tease her and call her a klutz. But she was the sweetest, most empathetic person I've ever known. She would give the shirt off of her back to a stranger if she thought they needed help.

So we all have good qualities and bad qualities - don't beat yourself up over it.

I hope you find whatever peace you are looking for.

 

[Heartbroken Nurse]

Yeah honestly there isn't really many appealing ways to CTB. And the few I can think off are not feasible for a lot of people. It is tiresome to consider all your options just to go to bed again feeling absolutely no closer to a solution.

That's where I'm at right now. Chronically frustrated for the last two years because I can't find a feasible method. I have lived so much of my life in pain, I want a peaceful exit. But the world makes it so fucking hard.

 

[Dingusguy]

That's where I'm at right now. Chronically frustrated for the last two years because I can't find a feasible method. I have lived so much of my life in pain, I want a peaceful exit. But the world makes it so fucking hard.

Yeah it isn't fair. Nothing is and unfortunately there is no easy or pretty way to CTB since society looks ill upon it and would rather let people suffer than let us have a painless method available

 

[hell toupee]

Yeah it isn't fair. Nothing is and unfortunately there is no easy or pretty way to CTB since society looks ill upon it and would rather let people suffer than let us have a painless method available

There are methods that are viable, it just takes some research and a little bit of ingenuity.

 

[Dingusguy]

There are methods that are viable, it just takes some research and a little bit of ingenuity.

You're right, there are methods available, but it all boils down to circumstance, none of the ones available to me seem appealing at all and a liable to fail. That being said in the end I'll likely go with old fashioned hanging when the times comes to it. Simple and cheap.

 

[RoseGirl]

That being said in the end I'll likely go with old fashioned hanging when the times comes to it. Simple and cheap.

not to mention fast and painless.

 

[wheelsonthebus]

Agreed - if I was able to obtain a firearm, that would be the direction I would go - especially if I were able to drive out in to the mountains or a rural area.

I live in the city, and there is a reason a lot of gang bangers survive gunshot wounds these days (including to the head) - trauma surgeons have gotten really, really good at what they do.

But ya, I would go for a shotgun - there is no coming back from that. But a regular firearm I would only use if I was certain nobody would be able to hear it and rush me to the hospital.

I'm torn between full suspension and GSW with a handgun to the head, probably from the side above the ears and against the temple so the gases from the muzzle also cause damage... surely I'd be dead instantly??

 

[hell toupee]

I'm torn between full suspension and GSW with a handgun to the head, probably from the side above the ears and against the temple so the gases from the muzzle also cause damage... surely I'd be dead instantly??

I would not go for the temples - too much of a possibility you could survive. I remember watching this tv show called "I survived" about people who had near brushes with death. One of those stories was of a girl who was shot in the head twice, remained conscious, and was able to be saved.

If using a firearm, I would put it in my mouth and point down as much as possible. The "off button" you want to hit is the brain stem at the base of the skull. That is instantaneous ctb.

I was considering full suspension hanging, and have been going back and forth on it. From what I researched >95% of all hangings consciousness is lost in 10 seconds or less. Even though those are really good odds, my brain won't let it rest that I could be one of the unlucky few who did not lose consciousness right away and end up panicking from air hunger. What I was able to find out, is in the few % who do not lose consciousness right away, it was due to using too broad of a ligature, such as a bed sheet or bath towel, or the rope or head position is wrong, or that they simply aren't applying enough pressure.

It seems that most people here who try partial are just easing in to it, and not providing enough pressure. The do one of the partial methods where you just lean in to it. The people who were able to get close to passing out with partial all said it didn't start working until they quickly relaxed all their muscles and sat in to it, applying force very quickly. Also, if the head position is upright or looking up, it's harder to get to the carotids. Pointing your chin down, next to your chest, or as if you were looking down, pushes the carotid arteries out from the neck muscles and makes it easier to target.

Another thing I learned from the KRA Cuff study, where they had losing consciousness down as a science where they were successful in producing loss of consciousness in 5-15 seconds on every single volunteer in the study, used inflateable airbags that were positioned via a cuff at just the sides of the neck. They did this by inflating and pressurizing the air bags in 1/8th of a second, and did it in between heart beats, meaning there was no pressure in the arteries. I don't know how they did this, but since it was a government study, maybe they had the people hooked up to an eeg or something. This might be able to be done, as they make cheap little devices that monitor the heart - I think smart watches do this. In the case of hanging, you would probably wait for a heartbeat, and in the fraction of a second that is between beats would be how you would want to coincide the neck pressure with the in between beat. Since it would take a fraction of a second to drop in to full suspension, I would time it with the heart beat - right at the beginning of that I would drop and hopefully by the time full force is applied, it should be in between. You would probably need to practice a little bit, calculating how long that in between non-beat would occur.

I don't know, food for thought I guess.

 

[Nightfoot]

I would not go for the temples - too much of a possibility you could survive. I remember watching this tv show called "I survived" about people who had near brushes with death. One of those stories was of a girl who was shot in the head twice, remained conscious, and was able to be saved.

If using a firearm, I would put it in my mouth and point down as much as possible. The "off button" you want to hit is the brain stem at the base of the skull. That is instantaneous ctb.

I was considering full suspension hanging, and have been going back and forth on it. From what I researched >95% of all hangings consciousness is lost in 10 seconds or less. Even though those are really good odds, my brain won't let it rest that I could be one of the unlucky few who did not lose consciousness right away and end up panicking from air hunger. What I was able to find out, is in the few % who do not lose consciousness right away, it was due to using too broad of a ligature, such as a bed sheet or bath towel, or the rope or head position is wrong, or that they simply aren't applying enough pressure.

It seems that most people here who try partial are just easing in to it, and not providing enough pressure. The do one of the partial methods where you just lean in to it. The people who were able to get close to passing out with partial all said it didn't start working until they quickly relaxed all their muscles and sat in to it, applying force very quickly. Also, if the head position is upright or looking up, it's harder to get to the carotids. Pointing your chin down, next to your chest, or as if you were looking down, pushes the carotid arteries out from the neck muscles and makes it easier to target.

Another thing I learned from the KRA Cuff study, where they had losing consciousness down as a science where they were successful in producing loss of consciousness in 5-15 seconds on every single volunteer in the study, used inflateable airbags that were positioned via a cuff at just the sides of the neck. They did this by inflating and pressurizing the air bags in 1/8th of a second, and did it in between heart beats, meaning there was no pressure in the arteries. I don't know how they did this, but since it was a government study, maybe they had the people hooked up to an eeg or something. This might be able to be done, as they make cheap little devices that monitor the heart - I think smart watches do this. In the case of hanging, you would probably wait for a heartbeat, and in the fraction of a second that is between beats would be how you would want to coincide the neck pressure with the in between beat. Since it would take a fraction of a second to drop in to full suspension, I would time it with the heart beat - right at the beginning of that I would drop and hopefully by the time full force is applied, it should be in between. You would probably need to practice a little bit, calculating how long that in between non-beat would occur.

I don't know, food for thought I guess.

Looking through the firearms megathread, the suggestions for intraoral recommend pointing at a slightly upward angle, but there seemed to be differing opinions on the angle, ranging from 20-45 degrees. Looking at a graphic on the megathread, 45 sounds like it may be too steep. Differing information like that to try and wade through can make research frustrating, especially when the stakes are so high.

 

[hell toupee]

Looking through the firearms megathread, the suggestions for intraoral recommend pointing at a slightly upward angle, but there seemed to be differing opinions on the angle, ranging from 20-45 degrees. Looking at a graphic on the megathread, 45 sounds like it may be too steep. Differing information like that to try and wade through can make research frustrating, especially when the stakes are so high.

Absolutely - this is a very big and final decision. What should be taken in to account regarding firearms is that trauma surgeons have gotten really really good at what they do. And a gun shot, unless you're in a secluded area, is going to draw attention. I wouldn't want any possibility of being saved.

I am absolutely certain the target would be the brain stem. If you look at diagrams, I have seen both intraoral pointing towards the brain stem, and just behind the ear, again, targeting the brain stem.

Another drawback is it's messy, so it would depend on who will discover you - if it's emergency crews, I wouldn't care, but if it's at home and a family member or friend is most likely to discover you, I wouldn't want to traumatize them like that. I guess you could slip a not under the door saying something like "Stop! Do not enter! Call emergency immediately".

I can't get a firearm anyways - I wish I could though.

 

[sanrioslayer]

Dude..you gotta be fucking fisting me. I never thought of this. This was literally my go-to method if i decide to do it. But damn wthelly am i supposed to have as go-to now??anyway thanks for the warning i do not want to achieve braindamage

 

[StoicPizza]

I've gotten good at it. Unconscious within seconds. Now for getting around SI every time

 

[spirityuki]

I've gotten good at it. Unconscious within seconds. Now for getting around SI every time

how do you do it and what did you learn along the way? I cant seem to get it right whatsoever, i always find myself getting the exploding head feeling. Pls share how you learnt how to do it