Discussion Why lots of users here still try to CTB using clearly unreliable methods?

[final_countdown12]

With PPH free and easy to ready, why we still can find loads of users trying to CTB using totaly unreliable methods such as OD using Benzo or paracetamol OD or Sleeping Pills OD, CTB by police, hiring a hitman etc etc?

Fortunately Information here is free and all we need is less than 1 hour reading PPH in order to understand almost eveything related to methods that works and methods that wont work.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Unfortunately, people don't have a lot of options to begin with, nevermind the fact that everyone here has different circumstances with regard to what methods you could possibly obtain as opposed to those you cannot access, another reason could be desperation in the moment willing to try anything.

 

[pennydrop]

Sometimes if you're desperate enough with limited resources, you just really hope you're the 0.1%.

 

[BlueCup]

If you suffer badly enough, you will try anything

All methods require planning, skills, organisation. A lot of people don't have these.

 

[Z-A]

Many reliable methods being available* A regular SS user: "cAn I slice mYself with a butter knife?"

 

[thepiecessatup]

If you suffer badly enough, you will try anything

All methods require planning, skills, organisation. A lot of people don't have these.

I agree. It's the desperation in the moment. I took a large paracetamol OD knowing rationally that it could harm but likely would not kill me. But I did it anyway just in the hope that it would. I also tried to hang myself in the accident and emergency department where it was obvious I would be caught but got surprisingly far with that effort. It's just sheer desperation. For me at least. I have an almost foolproof method I could use but I'm too confused and exhausted to travel even a short distance. The depression and anxiety is making me want to die right now but also weirdly stopping me because it's taken all my energy. I would be completely lost without this site.

 

[final_countdown12]

Many reliable methods being available* A regular SS user: "cAn I slice mYself with a butter knife?"

Yes thats my point.
On the other hand i know that is not easy to find a proper/ideal method since many requires $$ and planning. Unfortunately most users dont have acess, $$ nor energy to plan and go for the resources (depression fucks our energy level)

But im still shocked on the high numbers of members asking if, for example, using paracetamol is a reliable method. We should obligate everyone to read PPH in schools . lol

 

[willitpass]

A lot of it is desperation that leads to impaired critical thinking skills. There are mega threads right there and I'm also advocating for a mega thread of unreliable methods to send people to in order to mitigate the amount of "will drowning in my bathtub on sheer willpower and a shot of vodka kill me" posts. Some people lack media literacy in general and some people's ability to sit down and read what is in front of them is impaired by whatever situation they have been put into. I'd rather someone make the 900th thread asking if they can take a bottle of Tylenol than not ask and just do it, but I definitely wish we had a mega thread for it. Ideally nobody would be attempting/committing when they are in such a heightened state they don't have the capacity to do research and know the risks and consequences of anything, but that is the nature of suicide that it involves at least a certain degree of desperation. And desperation does not lead to good problem solving.

 

[final_countdown12]

A lot of it is desperation that leads to impaired critical thinking skills. There are mega threads right there and I'm also advocating for a mega thread of unreliable methods to send people to in order to mitigate the amount of "will drowning in my bathtub on sheer willpower and a shot of vodka kill me" posts. Some people lack media literacy in general and some people's ability to sit down and read what is in front of them is impaired by whatever situation they have been put into. I'd rather someone make the 900th thread asking if they can take a bottle of Tylenol than not ask and just do it, but I definitely wish we had a mega thread for it. Ideally nobody would be attempting/committing when they are in such a heightened state they don't have the capacity to do research and know the risks and consequences of anything, but that is the nature of suicide that it involves at least a certain degree of desperation. And desperation does not lead to good problem solving.

Thats good idea the megathread of "tylenol / paracetamol/ etc etc is not reliable".
Also i agree when you say desperation does not lead to good problem solving. I could just start to proper plan and move forward in my CTB plan when i was healthier and mentaly more stable, which is ironic.

 

[FuneralCry]

Not everyone is privileged enough to be able to have the means to die in a reliable way, I don't understand those who assume that everyone else has the exact same access to methods as them and is in a similar situation where they can just go and easily die.

 

[veinofether]

Desperation, spontaneity, delusion, then there are the many people that don't truly 100% want to die and just want to do something to show those around them how much pain they're in/see who, if anyone, really cares.

 

[purplesky]

With PPH free and easy to ready, why we still can find loads of users trying to CTB using totaly unreliable methods such as OD using Benzo or paracetamol OD or Sleeping Pills OD etc etc?

Fortunately Information here is free and all we need is less than 1 hour reading PPH in order to understand almost eveything related to methods that works and methods that wont work.

I think people who struggle with SI have health with those emotions and feelings for so long, so when they finally decide to do it, they will try whatever is available. I tried pills several times and I actually believe each time I wouldn't wake up! Call it irrational or whatever, I couldn't take it anymore. The risk of having something mailed to me scared me as I'd get busted, so I have no other means.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Not everybody here has accessible to peaceful and reliable methods

 

[Sunshine]

Not everyone is privileged enough to be able to have the means to die in a reliable way, I don't understand those who assume that everyone else has the exact same access to methods as them and is in a similar situation where they can just go and easily die.

What stops someone from buying Heroin exactly? Guarantees peaceful death. It's not expensive and all they need is ask around on the street, homeless people, anyone really. It is not related to "privilege" because even the sickest and most ignored people of society can access it. Literally homeless people on the street struggling can get it.

 

[divinemistress36]

What stops someone from buying Heroin exactly? Guarantees peaceful death. It's not expensive and all they need is ask around on the street, homeless people, anyone really. It is not related to "privilege" because even the sickest and most ignored people of society can access it. Literally homeless people on the street struggling can get it.

To scared of needles

 

[Sunshine]

To scared of needles

I think someone who is brave enough to die could face their fear of needles, but even in that case there are other ways to "consume" the heroin for example through the butt or smoking.

 

[divinemistress36]

I think someone who is brave enough to die could face their fear of needles, but even in that case there are other ways to "consume" the heroin for example through the butt or smoking.

Can smoking enough it kill someone ?

 

[Sunshine]

Can smoking enough it kill someone ?

I think so if you have no tolerance but I'm trying to research it for exact information. Maybe someone who knows exactly can chime in. Tried to research a little and found a few posts in other places saying it is possible as a first time user with no tolerance but VERY difficult compared to injecting or rectal, so probably not ideal.

 

[DEATH IS FREEDOM]

I have a reliable method but the problem is getting over the fear of death, dying badly and dying alone. I have struggled for a long time so I wonder how long it will take.

 

[LaughingGoat]

This is the main reason I'm challenging a lot of users' statements that they can't access guns. It's not to claim they're somehow lazy or something, it's simply because people are suffering and choosing unreliable methods which only worsens their suffering while there is an incredibly reliable method that is far more accessible around the world than people recognize.

 

[thenamingofcats]

I've been institutionalized a lot and I knew a guy that tried to drink draino and also a girl that drank windex. There was also a girl that attempted hanging and a girl that tried to ctb by jumping from 1 story. Impulsivity and personality have a lot to do with it. I think people seriously downplay the role of personality in what method they choose. People that make poorly thought through and impulsive choices before being suicidal are likely to do the same when they're suicidal.

 

[seekingrelease22]

Not everyone is privileged enough to be able to have the means to die in a reliable way, I don't understand those who assume that everyone else has the exact same access to methods as them and is in a similar situation where they can just go and easily die.

I mean SN is pretty easy and accessible to most on this site isn't it?

 

[Meteora]

Parasuicidal actions, maybe. Not everyone is ready to die but to harm himself.

 

[hopeless08]

Unfortunately, people don't have a lot of options to begin with, nevermind the fact that everyone here has different circumstances with regard to what methods you could possibly obtain as opposed to those you cannot access, another reason could be desperation in the moment willing to try anything.

I agrée i think it's the desperation in the moment, where you can't take another second of pain and your judgement is clouded that makes people try anything they can get their hands on at the moment.

 

[Red Moon]

Lack of options other than hanging and jumping. I was thinking of jumping on to the train tracks the other day.

 

[seekingrelease22]

Lack of options other than hanging and jumping. I was thinking of jumping on to the train tracks the other day.

Why can't you just get SN?

 

[Red Moon]

Why can't you just get SN?

I don't think it's available where I'm from.

 

[Alexei_Kirillov]

Sometimes if you're desperate enough with limited resources, you just really hope you're the 0.1%.

Exactly. While it's true that many who try unreliable methods fall into that "clouded judgment/impulsive/not thinking clearly" bucket, there are also those who do so because they assess their situation--methods available to them, what they think they're willing to do, etc.--and take a calculated risk.

For example: "I have x and y methods available to me. I know x only has a 10% chance of succeeding, whereas y has a 90% chance of succeeding, but SI will be a lot stronger for y, therefore making it less likely that I'll attempt in the first place."

In probability terms, P(Attempting and Succeeding) = P(Attempting) * P(Succeeding) = 0.95 * 0.1 = 9.5% in the case of "unreliable but easy" method x and 0.05 * 0.9 = 4.5% in the case of "reliable but scary" y. Both bad options, but if you are desperate to end your life, and if continuing to live is the even worse option, then it would actually make a certain sense to attempt with the unreliable method -- in that circumstance, it would be your best shot at death, and sometimes that's all you need. A chance.

 

[final_countdown12]

Exactly. While it's true that many who try unreliable methods fall into that "clouded judgment/impulsive/not thinking clearly" bucket, there are also those who do so because they assess their situation--methods available to them, what they think they're willing to do, etc.--and take a calculated risk.

For example: "I have x and y methods available to me. I know x only has a 10% chance of succeeding, whereas y has a 90% chance of succeeding, but SI will be a lot stronger for y, therefore making it less likely that I'll attempt in the first place."

In probability terms, P(Attempting and Succeeding) = P(Attempting) * P(Succeeding) = 0.95 * 0.1 = 9.5% in the case of "unreliable but easy" method x and 0.05 * 0.9 = 4.5% in the case of "reliable but scary" y. Both bad options, but if you are desperate to end your life, and if continuing to live is the even worse option, then it would actually make a certain sense to attempt with the unreliable method -- in that circumstance, it would be your best shot at death, and sometimes that's all you need. A chance.

Lol. We could do some Econometrics models to explain CTB behavior and then publish it. Love it.

 

[alltoomuch2]

I agree. It's the desperation in the moment. I took a large paracetamol OD knowing rationally that it could harm but likely would not kill me. But I did it anyway just in the hope that it would. I also tried to hang myself in the accident and emergency department where it was obvious I would be caught but got surprisingly far with that effort. It's just sheer desperation. For me at least. I have an almost foolproof method I could use but I'm too confused and exhausted to travel even a short distance. The depression and anxiety is making me want to die right now but also weirdly stopping me because it's taken all my energy. I would be completely lost without this site.

I agree too. In the moment I can't think straight or deal with anything even slightly complicated.