why is the gender difference in suicide rates so great?

[WorthlessTrash]

Considering that the question really arises if more suicides could be prevented if people would only reach out. But yet, advising someone to exhaust all methods before deciding to ctb is looked down upon here :/

Only if the person has indicated that they dont want to recover.

And chances are, people on this site have already heard said advice or platitudes a million times already. It didnt help the first bit of times it was said, which is why they ultimately ended up here.

 

[Valky]

Only if the person has indicated that they dont want to recover.

And chances are, people on this site have already heard said advice or platitudes a million times already. It didnt help the first bit of times it was said, which is why they ultimately ended up here.

Bro but sadly there are still quite a lot who have never tried anything. I understand why a lot of them won't, especially considering that not everyone has a health insurance but it is still sad

 

[LittleJem]

Considering that the question really arises if more suicides could be prevented if people would only reach out. But yet, advising someone to exhaust all methods before deciding to ctb is looked down upon here :/

That's cos many of us have exhausted all methods already. The truth is not often said outside of this forum, that for many of us all methods are tried and the suffering is just something we endure or end. I have seen (myself included) people encourage people to find recovery, especially for younger posters but also for others too. I do it, even though I don't believe there is much hope for most people to recover, especially with chronic mental health issues, or even the younger ones. Look how many people here had their first suicidal thoughts at a young age, and for so many of them it hasn't got better.

But yes, exhaust every method. I have a psychiatrist appointment on Friday and am currently trying a new med while enduring my daily torture of mental illness. I'm at a solid 3 out of 10 for life at the moment (which is grim suicidal thoughts all day, but not crying all day and currently able to walk outside. Whoop.



Anyway: Women tend to overdose which is not as effective usually as other methods like hanging. I think it is a difference of successful methods rather than gender.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Bro but sadly there are still quite a lot who have never tried anything. I understand why a lot of them won't, especially considering that not everyone has a health insurance but it is still sad

You might be right. I am definitely one of those people.

 

[SexyIncél]

That's cos many of us have exhausted all methods already. The truth is not often said outside of this forum, that for many of us all methods are tried and the suffering is just something we endure or end. I have seen (myself included) people encourage people to find recovery, especially for younger posters but also for others too.

Yes, people miss how much "recovery methods" talk we actually do in the suicide subforum, even accidentally. Many people read it and benefit

The direct approach -- spam OPs with generic questions like "Did you try everything?" -- is ineffective. Has the downside of stressing/frustrating many/most OPs; derails threads. Fortunately, we use indirect approaches

 

[Valky]

Bro but sadly there are still quite a lot who have never tried anything. I understand why a lot of them won't, especially considering that not everyone has a health insurance but it is still sad

*true, not bro ahhhh

 

[Twiceler]

I kinda see what you mean, and I guess in a sense you're right. But natural selection and emotions can be very intertwined. So like what you said, natural selection gets rid of certain people. But it indirectly does that by making the (in this case) mentally least fit feel fk terrible/depressed. I think that's a nice middle way.

If someone feels happy, it doesn't mean he'll succeed in everything, neither anything. Emotions are personal, nature is general.

Also if I see myself unworthy going to commit suicide, it doesn't mean I'm actually depressed (I'm not considering myself depressed tho). I knew it at my 13, and I'm still sure about it at my twenties.

 

[Ambivalent1]

There are almost 100 genders now. It's not surprising there's so much variation in regard to suicide.

 

[BlueBaby]

If someone feels happy, it doesn't mean he'll succeed in everything, neither anything. Emotions are personal, nature is general.

Also if I see myself unworthy going to commit suicide, it doesn't mean I'm actually depressed (I'm not considering myself depressed tho). I knew it at my 13, and I'm still sure about it at my twenties.

do you live a happy life?

 

[OutOfTheVoid]

Women on average chose less effective methods than men. Also in Europe, men are 4 times more likely to commit suicide than women.
Many researchers have attempted to find explanations for why gender is such a significant indicator for suicide. A common explanation relies on the social constructions of hegemonic masculinity and femininity. According to literature on gender and suicide, male suicide rates are explained in terms of traditional gender roles. Male gender roles tend to emphasize greater levels of strength, independence, risk-taking behaviour, economic status, and individualism Reinforcement of this gender role often prevents males from seeking help for suicidal feelings and depression.

Various other factors have been put forward as the cause of the gender paradox. Part of the gap may be explained by heightened levels of stress that result from traditional gender roles. For example, the death of a spouse and divorce are risk factors for suicide in both genders, but the effect is somewhat mitigated for females. In the Western world, females are more likely to maintain social and familial connections that they can turn to for support after losing their spouse. Another factor closely tied to gender roles is male employment status. Males' vulnerability may be heightened during times of unemployment because of societal expectations that they should provide for themselves and their families.

Also Poland has a ration of 6,7:1

this is a great response and summary of academic literature on this subject

unfortunately, suicide is generally understudied and poorly studied, partly due to being getting neglected by sociology and isolated to psychology, flawed methodology, and just inherent challenges in recording data on suicide rates--e.g. in the case of suicide deaths, the data is limited to completed suicides which have officially been ruled a suicide (which, only a minority of suicides actually get reported as such, a lot get filed away as 'accident' or 'natural death' due to lower burden of proof for those causes)

one consequence of this is that men's apparent preference for more lethal and violent methods (e.g. gun) results in men being overrepresented in the data of reported suicide deaths. there are reasons for this disparity as you mentioned that indicate causality, especially hegemonic masculinity. but deaths by more violent methods are also more likely to get attention and be reported as suicide

women tend to use less lethal/violent methods, but even low-lethality methods can still cause death, and some methods (e.g. carefully planned overdose) are less 'violent' but still very lethal--but the subtlety of these methods makes it less likely that the deaths get reported as suicide

aside from differences in methods, there may also be gendered biases and prejudices behind determining cause of death--e.g. perhaps the assumption that more men than women die by suicide leads medical examiners to be excessively doubtful about cases of women's suicides while more readily labelling men's deaths as suicides

for all we know, accounting for disparities and biases in reporting might yield more equivalent rates for men and women, or it could even reveal even more extreme disparities, but its impossible to actually have a reliable unbiased sample due to the inherent problems of reporting.

 

[Twiceler]

do you live a happy life?

Did I succeed in my life? No. Do I feel preasure from simple things? Yes.

 

[Not.Flugel]

this is a great response and summary of academic literature on this subject

unfortunately, suicide is generally understudied and poorly studied, partly due to being getting neglected by sociology and isolated to psychology, flawed methodology, and just inherent challenges in recording data on suicide rates--e.g. in the case of suicide deaths, the data is limited to completed suicides which have officially been ruled a suicide (which, only a minority of suicides actually get reported as such, a lot get filed away as 'accident' or 'natural death' due to lower burden of proof for those causes)

one consequence of this is that men's apparent preference for more lethal and violent methods (e.g. gun) results in men being overrepresented in the data of reported suicide deaths. there are reasons for this disparity as you mentioned that indicate causality, especially hegemonic masculinity. but deaths by more violent methods are also more likely to get attention and be reported as suicide

women tend to use less lethal/violent methods, but even low-lethality methods can still cause death, and some methods (e.g. carefully planned overdose) are less 'violent' but still very lethal--but the subtlety of these methods makes it less likely that the deaths get reported as suicide

aside from differences in methods, there may also be gendered biases and prejudices behind determining cause of death--e.g. perhaps the assumption that more men than women die by suicide leads medical examiners to be excessively doubtful about cases of women's suicides while more readily labelling men's deaths as suicides

for all we know, accounting for disparities and biases in reporting might yield more equivalent rates for men and women, or it could even reveal even more extreme disparities, but its impossible to actually have a reliable unbiased sample due to the inherent problems of reporting.

You are of course right, that more violent methods gain more traction for suicide. However, I would also like to add that methods like overdoes which are more likely done by females are often unsuccessful because most people have no idea how to commit suicide. A gun has a higher chance to kill you even if you have done no research, whereas drugs have a higher level of failure. Women are 2-4x times more likely to attempt suicide, a cross national study has found that Serious Suicide Attempts (SSA) are far more likely to be committed by men than women. Also, men are more likely to commit an SSA with a drug overdose even if women use this method more often (around 6%). Over 50% of women overdoes were also not attributed to an SSA but rather either very serious cases of self harm or parasuicidal gestures or pauses.
This of course doesn't disprove what you said, but there has been found a link (in developed nations) that men are more likely to kill themselves for other reasons than wrong statistics. Also, for most overdoes, it is rather hard to rule suicide, especially if SN, CN or other chemicals. But then again, we won't have any data available that is non biased. The gap might be closer or not but for some countries with the highest gap (Latvia, Belarus and Poland all sit around 6,5:1), I can't see so many statically errors to not have a big gap.

 

[SexyIncél]

Oh! Forgot to mention. There's a concept of monologue vs dialogue. In the study, men died more as "monologue": escape. Women chose "dialogue": a form of protest, part of an ongoing discussion

[Monologue] refers to inward focused acts: it is marked by an attempt to escape from unbearable situations, and to limit the effects of the death beyond the event. [Dialogue] refers to expressive acts that are directed outward as a means of communication and form part of an ongoing discourse between persons. There is an explicit attempt to affect other people and situations.

Men's suicides tended to assume the form of monologue. This is evident in the methods of suicide: in 27 cases men employed hanging, in seven shooting, in two burning, and in one case each gassing, poisoning and drowning. Hanging connotes self-blame, and was the most widespread form of legal execution and capital punishment in South Africa. Shooting was common among those with access to pistols, such as off-duty policemen, and seems to be chosen for practical rather than expressive reasons. Men's suicides were not highly visible. Men tended to hang themselves in their own rooms, in isolated places of the forest and also in pit latrines. One man placed a pipe from the exhaust into the window of his car, and gassed himself in the darkness of the night. Hardly any men communicated their intent to commit suicide, and very few left suicide notes, blaming others for their deaths. Informants inferred the meanings of suicide from biographies and from events that preceded them.

Women's suicides more commonly assumed the form of 'dialogue'. Of the 13 victims, seven killed themselves by means of burning, four hanging, two poisoning, and another by swallowing glass. Although women had greater access than men to fuel such as paraffin, some of the women suicide victims purchased petrol to which male vehicle owners had greater access. These methods emphasised visibility and burning involved maximal expressive violence. Women's suicides were more carefully planned, and constituted a form of protest, dramatising the culpability of others. Many communicated their suicidal intentions, burnt themselves in public places such as household gardens, and hung themselves in living rooms rather than bedrooms.

For more info, here's an overview of the lit. And some work in south africa sounds relevant to many threads here:

Through the hard labour of socialisation men learn the pursuit and exercise of domination. There is a permanent tension to assert manliness in all circumstances, and the point of honour presents itself as a system of demands that are in many cases inaccessible. Men experience the demonstration of sexual and reproductive capacity, and of violence, and the pursuit of glory in the public sphere almost as a sacred duty. But the tests of masculinity, and the fear of being excluded from the realm of men, are also a source of immense vulnerability. Bourdieu argues that like honour, men feel shame before others. In an earlier essay, Gilmore too argued that the tests of masculinity imply humiliating failure. Its vindication is doubtful, resting on rigid codes of decisive action in many spheres of life: as husband, father, lover, provider warrior. A restrictive status, there are always men who fail the test. They are the negative examples, the effete men, the men-who-are-nomen, held up scornfully to inspire conformity to this glorious ideal. In Bushbuckridge, men perceived the tests of masculinity as deadly serious business. Although narratives about suicides of men do contain an element of protest, they are more likely to emphasise the theme of escape from humiliating situations of failure.

Bourdieu argues that in addition to the physical violence that women experience as the objects of male abuse, women suffer symbolic violence. This occurs when women apply the categories of the dominant to their own point of view, and depreciate or denigrate themselves. Women often internalise their own subordination, and view marriage as the prime means of acquiring social position. In Bushbuckridge, women's suicides, like those of men, constitute a form of escape, but such escape is constructed as an act of protest against violent patriarchy.

 

[ChildrensITV]

Guns are a big part of this. Men are more likely to have and use them, and guns are at the top of the list in terms of probability of success.
The list of methods, that is.

The world isn't the United States. How do you account for this statistic being true in gunless countries?

Because being a male fucking sucks.

Women do have their problems that make being their gender extremely difficult, but still, being a male fucking blows.

(Yes, I am biased)

I find your standpoint on things really fascinating, particularly since you are trans. Most of the trans-women I've interacted with say the same limited things: "I'm a woman. If you don't think so, you're this/that. Society is this/that. The genocide etc" without seeming to acknowledge issues outside of trans identity. But you're out here looking at things that affect men, defending men, empathizing with men. It's very...different! I think it's kind of honest. A lot of TW don't want to acknowledge that they lived any part of their life as a man, which isn't really true, particularly for those who transition in their late 20s or 30s, or 50s etc. But it seems as if your experience as a man in the past has given you some insights on what men go through (which would make sense). Maybe other TW find it dysphoric to acknowledge or empathize with men at all whereas you seem to be able to look at things objectively. Also I find you non-combative. I just wanted to say it's refreshing.

 

[Coldpizza22]

I think men are more lonely. Dating is easier for women, bcs traditionally, men are expected to aproach first. And dating apps are 80% male and in other dating online space its also mostly men. Women get 10x to 100x times more likes on dating apps, so they can choose from a lot of guys. But dating apps suck for both genders probably, just more for men. A girl once showed me her messages on some app for meeting people, she couldn't find my profile on the list of people. There was probably a hundred people on there, but i only ever got less than a dozen likes on the same app. Being close to someone a a basic human desire, we are social creatures. Some guy I talked with said to me, if he was still single by the age of 35, he'll just CBT.

Being single is probably the main reason I ended up here.

 

[rushia]

Because misandry is promoted and celebrated so men are treated far worse by basically everyone they encounter. You simply don't get the same love and attention that a woman will get unless you're a one of a kind specimen which most men are not.

 

[blacksand]

Because misandry is promoted and celebrated so men are treated far worse by basically everyone they encounter. You simply don't get the same love and attention that a woman will get unless you're a one of a kind specimen which most men are not.

most women can't understand the feeling of treated as a "threat" that men experience by default. Even stupid things like meeting my friends younger sisters boyfriend I get sized up and treated as a threat until me and her bf work out where we stand. This is so incredibly tiring and men like myself who aren't interested or unable to engage in this cock measuring always end up at the lowest of the social rank.

You are of course right, that more violent methods gain more traction for suicide. However, I would also like to add that methods like overdoes which are more likely done by females are often unsuccessful because most people have no idea how to commit suicide. A gun has a higher chance to kill you even if you have done no research, whereas drugs have a higher level of failure. Women are 2-4x times more likely to attempt suicide, a cross national study has found that Serious Suicide Attempts (SSA) are far more likely to be committed by men than women. Also, men are more likely to commit an SSA with a drug overdose even if women use this method more often (around 6%). Over 50% of women overdoes were also not attributed to an SSA but rather either very serious cases of self harm or parasuicidal gestures or pauses.
This of course doesn't disprove what you said, but there has been found a link (in developed nations) that men are more likely to kill themselves for other reasons than wrong statistics. Also, for most overdoes, it is rather hard to rule suicide, especially if SN, CN or other chemicals. But then again, we won't have any data available that is non biased. The gap might be closer or not but for some countries with the highest gap (Latvia, Belarus and Poland all sit around 6,5:1), I can't see so many statically errors to not have a big gap.

men are exposed to sexual selection. Women aren't. Every topic which men and women butt heads over is linked to this fact.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

I find your standpoint on things really fascinating, particularly since you are trans. Most of the trans-women I've interacted with say the same limited things: "I'm a woman. If you don't think so, you're this/that. Society is this/that. The genocide etc" without seeming to acknowledge issues outside of trans identity. But you're out here looking at things that affect men, defending men, empathizing with men. It's very...different! I think it's kind of honest. A lot of TW don't want to acknowledge that they lived any part of their life as a man, which isn't really true, particularly for those who transition in their late 20s or 30s, or 50s etc. But it seems as if your experience as a man in the past has given you some insights on what men go through (which would make sense). Maybe other TW find it dysphoric to acknowledge or empathize with men at all whereas you seem to be able to look at things objectively. Also I find you non-combative. I just wanted to say it's refreshing.

I dont consider myself trans as I have no desire to "transition". I'm more just dysphoric. I do appreciate the words, though.

 

[whatevs]

Uncontroversial explanation: Men are more violent including to ourselves.

Tasty, spicy controversial opinion: It's considerably harder to thrive in life as a male, that's why without cultural monogamy some men are fucking several women and some (considerably more than women) are involuntarily celibate. It's far easier for males to fall through the cracks and don't make it in life, as shown by a similarly percentaged homeless population of men.

Biology makes this logical, as the reproductive value of men is very low compared with that of women.

 

[ChildrensITV]

I dont consider myself trans as I have no desire to "transition". I'm more just dysphoric. I do appreciate the words, though.

No desire to transition doesn't make you not trans, so they say. Even dysphoria isn't needed. I am not sure what is needed. But yes, refreshing take. Good luck.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

No desire to transition doesn't make you not trans, so they say. Even dysphoria isn't needed. I am not sure what is needed. But yes, refreshing take. Good luck.

Not trying to be combative, even though it's going to come off as, but I want to clarify.

I personally believe that not transitioning/no desire to doesnt make you trans, because trans is included in transitioning (TRANSitioning). If you aren't going to fulfill the trans part, imo you are not considered trans as you are not transitioning from one sex to another. I don't identify myself as trans so yeah. I am just the wrong sex is all. If others wish to identify themselves as trans, then so be it. This is just for my own perspective.

 

[NoLightRemains]

A lot of TW don't want to acknowledge that they lived any part of their life as a man, which isn't really true, particularly for those who transition in their late 20s or 30s, or 50s etc.

Maybe other TW find it dysphoric to acknowledge or empathize with men at all whereas you seem to be able to look at things objectively.

Most of the trans-women I've interacted with say the same limited things: "I'm a woman. If you don't think so, you're this/that. Society is this/that. The genocide etc" without seeming to acknowledge issues outside of trans identity.

There's a lot of people in the male to female transgender spectrum, but I do notice this tends to happen a lot. It also seems like it's mostly people who are earlier in their transition and are the most vulnerable/sensitive about their identity (for understandable reasons imo). I transitioned pretty young (16) but still got enough male socialization to know it's rough for men. Just wanted to chime in as a transwoman with some lived experience.

 

[Elio24]

I think it is well known that females are more likely to have suicidal thoughts and failed attempts, but males are more likely to die by suicide because of the methods they use. Women tend to choose overdose of pharmaceutical drugs and exsanguination (which are pretty ineffective on average) while men tend to choose more violent, lethal methods such as hanging and firearms (which have high success rates).

 

[ChildrensITV]

Not trying to be combative, even though it's going to come off as, but I want to clarify.

I personally believe that not transitioning/no desire to doesnt make you trans, because trans is included in transitioning (TRANSitioning). If you aren't going to fulfill the trans part, imo you are not considered trans as you are not transitioning from one sex to another. I don't identify myself as trans so yeah. I am just the wrong sex is all. If others wish to identify themselves as trans, then so be it. This is just for my own perspective.

I feel some dysphoria about my sex, but it isn't to do with wanting to walk around being "feminine" or anything but because I see the male existence as pretty shit unless you're in the top 20%. If not this, then definitely, the bottom 30% of men live a shitty and pointless existence. Think about it from a natural viewpoint (trigger warning, sex):

- WORTHLESS: Who would pick to be the sex that is genetically worthless? All u need is one man and he can reproduce with a village of women. Out of this is born the "let women and children be saved first" idea. If need be, societies can afford to lose men. Isn't it something like 40% of men don't reproduce? Virtually no men say: "I can't date a woman who doesn't drive or lives with his parents". We value women for who they are and want to raise them up higher.
- DESIRE: men have higher sexual desire, on average, in a way that makes us want to have sex with fewer caveats than women have - and lower standards, so we can always be wooed, and we accept almost any woman. In fact, we do the wooing. Women can disguise their flaws with makeup. If a man wears a hair-system and makeup, well good luck with that. Men want to convert female gays and have sex with them. Most women wouldn't even want to date a male who loses a few fights, let one who alone is bisexual.
- PLEASURE: although some women have no orgasms, many women biologically capable of multiple orgasms, and men will compete over which one can please a woman the most. This is actually another yardstick to measure a man on: sexual prowess. A woman's sexual prowess isn't really judged. No bodypart of a man is exclusively for pleasure. Men's bodies are for working, providing and getting in the way of bullets for women and children. BTW, yes periods suck, I know.
- HALO: we see women are meeker, more innocent. We want to believe and help them. This is why you hardly see homeless women unless they look methed out and old. Men want to hire women to work for them because we just want to be near them. As a human race, we hate men. Prostate and breast cancers affect each sex about the same but way more funding goes into the latter cuz women are just "more worthy of saving".

All this and more is why I think my life would be better as a woman. I don't have actual dysphoria, but I can analyse things logically.

There's a lot of people in the male to female transgender spectrum, but I do notice this tends to happen a lot. It also seems like it's mostly people who are earlier in their transition and are the most vulnerable/sensitive about their identity (for understandable reasons imo). I transitioned pretty young (16) but still got enough male socialization to know it's rough for men. Just wanted to chime in as a transwoman with some lived experience.

Thanks for that. I was expecting you to bite my head off! lol

Not trying to be combative, even though it's going to come off as, but I want to clarify.

I personally believe that not transitioning/no desire to doesnt make you trans, because trans is included in transitioning (TRANSitioning). If you aren't going to fulfill the trans part, imo you are not considered trans as you are not transitioning from one sex to another. I don't identify myself as trans so yeah. I am just the wrong sex is all. If others wish to identify themselves as trans, then so be it. This is just for my own perspective.

BTW AFAIK Trans doesn't refer to transitioning but being transgender, as in, your identity not matching your biological sex.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

BTW AFAIK Trans doesn't refer to transitioning but being transgender, as in, your identity not matching your biological sex.

Idk. I take the term "trans" literal, tbh.

 

[glitterypearls]

it's simple. men don't support other men on their mental health struggles. I have a male friend who only felt okay talking to me about it because his other male friends make fun of him and call him weak. their solution is "be a man and suck it up" instead of having empathy and supporting each other. but women on the other hand tend to have more empathy towards each other and even when it comes to mental health struggles a lot women even online would try to distract themselves with "self care" or having some hobby or playing a silly cozy game. men just bottle it up and don't allow themselves to FEEEEEEL and get support. or at least distract themselves with silly little things

if you bottle it all up and have nothing to distract you then eventually you just going to CTB even if it's in a painful way. I'm sure there is other factors but this is what I noticed. women just to tend to make their peace with it and try to distract themselves or make their life tolerable somehow.

do you guys see the "hello kitty girls" that every man call crazy or make fun of them because "they are mentally ill stay away from them" those are girls who suffered from something and decided to be obsessed with something that make their life better. it's clear example of how women tend to survive more, just distract yourself with so many things and allow yourself to feel.

I'm sick of people saying how women survive cause they are privileged or they can get help easily. that's so not true. most rape victims are women, and most of the time they get slut shamed for it, if they act emotional and show they are struggling? they get called attention seeking or crazy or the worse "is it your time of the month?" no one takes women CTBing or failed attempts seriously. women never been privileged so eventually they found out ways to distract themselves and to just survive. I was raped as a kid and I got slut shamed for it, I have bpd now and no one takes me seriously. I always get called dramatic for how i feel. everytime I self harm I get called attention seeking and someone literally told me recently "if u aren't gonna kill yourself why do you keep venting about it? you are full of shit and will never do it" mental health is hard for both genders.

I think both genders are suffering. but 1 gender tend to not support each other. I wish men learned to support each other on their mental health struggles instead of making fun of the man or giving him some bullshit advice about going to the gym lol

 

[blacksand]

it's simple. men don't support other men on their mental health struggles. I have a male friend who only felt okay talking to me about it because his other male friends make fun of him and call him weak. their solution is "be a man and suck it up" instead of having empathy and supporting each other. but women on the other hand tend to have more empathy towards each other and even when it comes to mental health struggles a lot women even online would try to distract themselves with "self care" or having some hobby or playing a silly cozy game. men just bottle it up and don't allow themselves to FEEEEEEL and get support. or at least distract themselves with silly little things

if you bottle it all up and have nothing to distract you then eventually you just going to CTB even if it's in a painful way. I'm sure there is other factors but this is what I noticed. women just to tend to make their peace with it and try to distract themselves or make their life tolerable somehow.

do you guys see the "hello kitty girls" that every man call crazy or make fun of them because "they are mentally ill stay away from them" those are girls who suffered from something and decided to be obsessed with something that make their life better. it's clear example of how women tend to survive more, just distract yourself with so many things and allow yourself to feel.

I'm sick of people saying how women survive cause they are privileged or they can get help easily. that's so not true. most rape victims are women, and most of the time they get slut shamed for it, if they act emotional and show they are struggling? they get called attention seeking or crazy or the worse "is it your time of the month?" no one takes women CTBing or failed attempts seriously. women never been privileged so eventually they found out ways to distract themselves and to just survive. I was raped as a kid and I got slut shamed for it, I have bpd now and no one takes me seriously. I always get called dramatic for how i feel. everytime I self harm I get called attention seeking and someone literally told me recently "if u aren't gonna kill yourself why do you keep venting about it? you are full of shit and will never do it" mental health is hard for both genders.

I think both genders are suffering. but 1 gender tend to not support each other. I wish men learned to support each other on their mental health struggles instead of making fun of the man or giving him some bullshit advice about going to the gym lol

I find this concept of men never discussing their feeeeeelings to be funny- the vast majority of heart on sleeve romantic heartache music is written and composed by men. Female written music often has a noticeably narcissistic tone in comparison.

 

[Cin]

iirc men make up for 75% of completed suicides whereas the other fourth is females. what's with the difference

Men use more effective methods on average. Women use less gorey ones. I think part of the reason for this is that women try to preserve their image even in death. Pills, razors, are less likely to succeed but they don't spread your cranium all over the room for your loved ones to find. I don't think it has anything to do with seeking "help."

 

[downndone2]

Men choose most lethal ways to ctb, so are typically more successful

 

[sserafim]

What about nonbinary people? I'm a cis woman (lol reminds me of orgo haha), but I've always hated dichotomies and the fact that you have to be something or the other. Male/female, good/evil, etc.

There's nuances. If you'd like to make a thread analyzing the effectiveness/tradeoffs of different interventions, I'd join! But I can't join today, I'm swamped and shouldn't even be posting this, hehe

Interested