Why don't more of us consider the jumping method?

[The Schizoid]

This is not me trying to encourage anyone, but I'm just curious.

I know the idea of jumping can be anxiety inducing, but surely any method would induce anxiety. The only method that would not induce anxiety in me is shotgun. The way I see it is -

If you find a very high place to jump, like above 100ft, besides some miracle you're not surviving that fall, you will not feel anything. I know a few places where I live that are 200-500ft.

It may be terrifying for a few seconds, but if you don't have a gun, you're probably thinking of other methods which take longer and are more uncomfortable.

IMO psyching yourself up to jump from a high enough place, maybe when inebriated/intoxicated, is the quickest way out without a gun and if you're not using the train method.

So why aren't more people considering this?

If you're in the UK you have no gun or SN. Even with SN you're experiencing a slower death difficulty breathing/nausea etc.

Jumping from a very tall place is pretty much guaranteed death if you get the height right, and you wont feel it once you hit the ground.

 

[oddetoad]

Because you feel the pain that second your jaw is smashing into the concrete ?

Also there's a high chance you survive if not for the rest of your life as a vegetable you are sometimes sure to survive the trip to the hospital and die there of internal organ collapse and brain damage

I think it's possibly the most painful method and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

Just find N

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Because we're not all in the same circumstances that allow us to freely choose whichever method we can think of. I also think you're missing a few points as to why some people won't jump, the trauma that this action may induce on any bystanders, let alone the fact that it may end up on national news and I'm sure some people here would rather leave less for their family to deal with than being thrust into public discussion over this even if it is brief. It sounds like you're trying to make a case for it even going so far as to compare to other methods and coming to the conclusion that why don't WE as in anyone who reads this consider it as a method. You have the ability to choose it since you know a few places near where you live that are 200-500 ft high whereas I don't. I have SN and the supplementary meds to go along with it whereas someone else cannot even get a source without being concerned for welfare checks. See, id never go so far as to suggest why isn't a method I've thought about or chosen for myself considered more just because I have access to it and don't see why it shouldn't be considered an option for anyone else.

Just find N

Now if only it were that easy.

 

[achb]

Because you feel the pain that second your jaw is smashing into the concrete ?

I think it's possibly the most painful method and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

Just find N

Most ppl won't feel a thing and die rather quickly. Shock does wonders for pain and making you pass out.

And N is so hard to find lol.

 

[oddetoad]

Most ppl won't feel a thing and die rather quickly. Shock does wonders for pain and making you pass out.

And N is so hard to find lol.

If it's the last thing you do in this life there shouldn't be need to use an excuse like it's hard to find

You all deserve a peaceful exit
Doesn't matter how bad you've been

 

[Deleted member 65988]

If it's the last thing you do in this life there shouldn't be need to use an excuse like it's hard to find

You all deserve a peaceful exit
Doesn't matter how bad you've been

Well we don't live in a world that believes we deserve that, regardless of how much we've been through otherwise something like N wouldn't be so damn difficult to obtain, let alone the potential for scams and the money involved. It isn't even going so far as to be an excuse as much as it is an issue for anyone who tries to get N will face.

 

[Forever Sleep]

-People still survive jumping sometimes- with horrific consequences.

-Some people who jump into water survive the fall but drown. I don't fancy drowning. I don't fancy being conscious with multiple broken bones and damaged internal organs.

-Some sites can be more treacherous to jump from- jumping from a cliff may involve having to jump clear of protruding ledges that would foul the attempt.

-Some people may wish to not traumatise others with their suicide. Both those that may witness the jump and impact and those that have to retrieve the body and clean up the mess.

-Plus- just the courage to do it and do it before some do-gooder pulls you away and gets you carted off to the pysche ward.

 

[AtomicWaffles]

It's hard to find the height tall enough to guarantee death especially a quick one, yea people could jump from a small height and go head first but that could go wrong and end you up as a vegetable, also people may be scared of heights so their si would probably hold some back from jumping but if you can pull off jumping good for you.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

If it was that easy I would have jumped off my balcony years ago already.

 

[The Schizoid]

Because you feel the pain that second your jaw is smashing into the concrete ?

Also there's a high chance you survive if not for the rest of your life as a vegetable you are sometimes sure to survive the trip to the hospital and die there of internal organ collapse and brain damage

I think it's possibly the most painful method and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

Just find N

What do you mean there's a high chance you survive? What are you basing this on? Did u read my post?

 

[DeadHead]

Because jumping takes gigantic balls

 

[Sylveon]

There's literally just one high-rise building in my area, and I've only ever seen it from afar.

 

[tarococo]

To be fair, this used to be the method I always thought I'd choose (before hearing about SN) and yes, you probably wouldn't feel your body hitting the ground. But in my area there actually aren't that many places you could reach by foot that are high enough (bridges are usually only accessible with a car, and I have no idea how I'd get up a building here without getting caught) and I've read horrorstorries about people that still survived the jump. Ending up as a vegetable would make everything even worse.

 

[FuneralCry]

I don't know what makes you think everyone can easily access high enough places anyway and if someone doesn't jump from somewhere high enough it'd very likely just leave them with injuries. And also this method sounds terrifying to me, I'd fear it going wrong and leading to more suffering.

 

[oddetoad]

Because jumping takes gigantic balls

I bursted out laughing lol

No this isn't something to laugh about but he's right you're either totally lost it or this

What do you mean there's a high chance you survive? What are you basing this on? Did u read my post?

Both my parents worked in the medic industry and they witnessed several cases of this

People jumped from high buildings and survived the ambulance drive to the hospital and died there . Do you think that's a good end?

 

[The Schizoid]

I bursted out laughing lol

No this isn't something to laugh about but he's right you're either totally lost it or this

Both my parents worked in the medic industry and they witnessed several cases of this

People jumped from high buildings and survived the ambulance drive to the hospital and died there . Do you think that's a good end?

Did you not read the part of my post where I mentioned the height aspect of it? How choosing a height linked with a 100% fatality rate is important and if you jump from high enough you're not surviving, no are you remaining conscious.

 

[losing hope]

Reading about Beachy Head jumping last night, which you would think would be certain at 530ft. However even there it seems it is not always a straight drop as some ppl hit the cliff / bits of rock sticking out.

Bottom line; This is one method you don't want to survive.

So thinking of combing SN with Jumping to minimise chances of survival.

Did you not read the part of my post where I mentioned the height aspect of it? How choosing a height linked with a 100% fatality rate is important and if you jump from high enough you're not surviving, no are you remaining conscious.

Luck is more of a factor then height. Here is a Serbian flight attendant who survived the highest fall without a parachute: 10.16 kilometres (6.31 miles) or 33,330 feet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulović

 

[The Schizoid]

Reading about Beachy Head jumping last night, which you would think would be certain at 530ft. However even there it seems it is not always a straight drop as some ppl hit the cliff / bits of rock sticking out.

Bottom line; This is one method you don't want to survive.

So thinking of combing SN with Jumping to minimise chances of survival.


Luck is more of a factor then Height. Here is a Serbian flight attendant who survived the highest fall without a parachute: 10.16 kilometres (6.31 miles) or 33,330 feet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulović

Luck is more of a factor than height? Are you psychotic? Because your logic is literally out of this world. So you're saying luck is more of a factor than height and using a literal miracle of a guy who supposedly survived a 30k feet drop to back that up?

This is despite the fact of the pretty much 100% fatality rate of a straight drop from 100ft?

Research and you'll see free falls from heights 80ft+ it's basically a miracle if you survive and it's only really if you get immediate medical attention.

So no, I'm not put off this method by the occasional medical miracle, you probably have more of a chance of surviving a gunshot to the head than you do a free fall from 100ft+

 

[losing hope]

This is despite the fact of the pretty much 100% fatality rate of a straight drop from 100ft?

Where's your evidence because Lostallhope says that jumping from a height of 150 feet onto land is fatal 95-98 percent of the time. https://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/jumping-high-building

I'll take their word over a newbie!

Luck is more of a factor than height? Are you psychotic? Because your logic is literally out of this world. So you're saying luck is more of a factor than height and using a literal miracle of a guy who supposedly survived a 30k feet drop to back that up?

Think your the one psychoyic. Why are you coming on a suicidal forum being all aggressive, when this is supposed to be a safe space. Is it because it hurts that your ego is being proved wrong? Here is a whole list of other cases which proves Luck is more of a factor than height. Many more examples I could provide.

This list includes sole survivors of aviation accidents and incidents that involved ten or more onboard. Within this list, "sole survivor" refers to a person who survived an air accident in which all other aircraft occupants died as a direct consequence of the accident.[edit]

Date	Sole survivor (if known)	Age[a]​	P/C	Operator	Flight / information	Fatalities	Source
17 March 1929	Lou Foote	34	C	Colonial Western Airlines	Newark crash	14	[5]​
22 August 1930	Vojtěch Kraus		P	CSA Ceskoslovenske Aerolinie	Jihlava crash	12	[6]​
31 December 1935	Vernon Gorry Wilson	33	C	Imperial Airways	Nile crash near Alexandria	12	[7]​
5 September 1936	Linda McDonald	17	P	Skyway	Skyway sightseeing plane	9	[1]​
24 September 1936			C	Ala Littoria	CANT Z.506 crash off Benghazi	9	[8]​
17 November 1939			C	Spanish Air Force	Cap Juby Ju-52 ditching	10	[9]​
9 April 1940	Ogwyn George		C	RAF	Sylling crash	9	[10]​
30 October 1941	Clarence Bates	41	C	Northwest Airlines	Northwest Airlines Flight 5	14	[11]​
25 August 1942	Sgt Andrew Jack	20	C	Royal Air Force	Dunbeath Air Crash	15	[12]​
22 January 1943	John Alfred Howard	26	P	Pan American-Grace Airways	Flight 9	14	[13]​
14 June 1943	Foye Kenneth Roberts	22	P	U.S. Army Air Forces	Bakers Creek air crash	40	[14]​
5 September 1946	Peter Link	3	P	Trans-Luxury Airlines	California Trans-Luxury Airlines	20	[15]​
12 January 1947	William Ellis Keyes, Jr.	25	P	Eastern Airlines	Flight 665	18	[16]​
28 January 1947	Paul Ashton Vick	1	P	China National Aviation Corporation	Hankou crash	25	[17]​
1 February 1947	Eugene Leonard	38	P	Air France	Lisbon mountain crash	15	[18]​
10 March 1948	Tripolina Meo	33	P	Delta Air Lines	Flight 705	12	[19]​[20]​
15 April 1948	Mark Worst		P	Pan Am	Flight 1–10	30	[21]​[22]​
12 May 1948	Moutafis		P	Sabena	Douglas DC-4 crash	31	[23]​[24]​
17 July 1948	Huang Yuhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...aviation_accidents_and_incidents#cite_note-26​

List of sole survivors of aviation accidents and incidents - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Like I said above, reading about Beachy Head jumping last night, which you would think would be certain at 530ft. However even there it seems it is not always a straight drop as some ppl hit the cliff / bits of rock sticking out. Wind (i.e. luck) can push those ppl into the cliff face breaking their fall.

Then there is this guy who survived jumping the GGB (something like 250ft high);

Here endith the lesson NEWBIE!

 

[FloraKilter]

Personally it's because I had a colleague witness a jumper. He jumped from a bridge onto a walking path below. He did NOT die instantly and he was conscious and moaning in agony with broken bones and organ evisceration for at least 20 minutes. Jumping is a violent and potentially agonizing death. It's not a sure thing either. Many jumpers survive with serious disability, making further attempts difficult.

 

[TAW122]

I have thought about it before at high places, but as many others have pointed out, access to those areas are oftenly restricted either by barriers, law enforcement, and/or other obstacles that make it difficult to reliably access. Even lesser known sites or those with less security overall may not necessarily be ideal for jumping and such. Furthermore, I believe overcoming the SI may be difficult too (but goes with just about any method since one's body knows that one is about to be subjected to serious harm the body will involuntarily coil back and do anything to avoid it). Personally, I'm not good with heights so my SI would be too high to even get near it. I remember whenever there was rails or even if I was at a height, my body would automatically go into panic mode and I become extra-aware of my surroundings within proximity, thus it will be hard to CTB via jumping for me (unless of course I may be inebriated or under the influence of a drug).

 

[The Schizoid]

Where's your evidence because Lostallhope says that jumping from a height of 150 feet onto land is fatal 95-98 percent of the time. https://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/jumping-high-building

I'll take their word over a newbie!



Think your the one psychoyic. Why are you coming on a suicidal forum being all aggressive, when this is supposed to be a safe space. Is it because it hurts that your ego is being proved wrong? Here is a whole list of other cases which proves Luck is more of a factor than height. Many more examples I could provide.

This list includes sole survivors of aviation accidents and incidents that involved ten or more onboard. Within this list, "sole survivor" refers to a person who survived an air accident in which all other aircraft occupants died as a direct consequence of the accident.[edit]

Date	Sole survivor (if known)	Age[a]​	P/C	Operator	Flight / information	Fatalities	Source
17 March 1929	Lou Foote	34	C	Colonial Western Airlines	Newark crash	14	[5]​
22 August 1930	Vojtěch Kraus		P	CSA Ceskoslovenske Aerolinie	Jihlava crash	12	[6]​
31 December 1935	Vernon Gorry Wilson	33	C	Imperial Airways	Nile crash near Alexandria	12	[7]​
5 September 1936	Linda McDonald	17	P	Skyway	Skyway sightseeing plane	9	[1]​
24 September 1936			C	Ala Littoria	CANT Z.506 crash off Benghazi	9	[8]​
17 November 1939			C	Spanish Air Force	Cap Juby Ju-52 ditching	10	[9]​
9 April 1940	Ogwyn George		C	RAF	Sylling crash	9	[10]​
30 October 1941	Clarence Bates	41	C	Northwest Airlines	Northwest Airlines Flight 5	14	[11]​
25 August 1942	Sgt Andrew Jack	20	C	Royal Air Force	Dunbeath Air Crash	15	[12]​
22 January 1943	John Alfred Howard	26	P	Pan American-Grace Airways	Flight 9	14	[13]​
14 June 1943	Foye Kenneth Roberts	22	P	U.S. Army Air Forces	Bakers Creek air crash	40	[14]​
5 September 1946	Peter Link	3	P	Trans-Luxury Airlines	California Trans-Luxury Airlines	20	[15]​
12 January 1947	William Ellis Keyes, Jr.	25	P	Eastern Airlines	Flight 665	18	[16]​
28 January 1947	Paul Ashton Vick	1	P	China National Aviation Corporation	Hankou crash	25	[17]​
1 February 1947	Eugene Leonard	38	P	Air France	Lisbon mountain crash	15	[18]​
10 March 1948	Tripolina Meo	33	P	Delta Air Lines	Flight 705	12	[19]​[20]​
15 April 1948	Mark Worst		P	Pan Am	Flight 1–10	30	[21]​[22]​
12 May 1948	Moutafis		P	Sabena	Douglas DC-4 crash	31	[23]​[24]​
17 July 1948	Huang Yuhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...aviation_accidents_and_incidents#cite_note-26​

List of sole survivors of aviation accidents and incidents - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Like I said above, reading about Beachy Head jumping last night, which you would think would be certain at 530ft. However even there it seems it is not always a straight drop as some ppl hit the cliff / bits of rock sticking out. Wind (i.e. luck) can push those ppl into the cliff face breaking their fall.

Then there is this guy who survived jumping the GGB (something like 250ft high);

Here endith the lesson NEWBIE!

You complain about me being aggressive and yet you are condescending.

Did you or did you not say that it's more about luck than height?

How is luck more of a factor than height when it's a literal fact that the higher you go, the greater your chances of death? This implies height is a very important factor in determining chance of death, more so than just luck. It's not exactly luck if you jump free fall from 150ft and your chances of death are 98%.

98% Implies that it would be literal luck if you survived.

Once you get past a certain height, you're almost certainly going to die. It's not definite, but very close.

These stats also don't mention how many of these survivors had their falls broken by other objects. I believe I mentioned free falling above, of course common sense dictates that you need to find a place where your fall is not broken by objects.

And also showing isolated incidences' here and about people who survived from some miracle doesn't really mean much or prove your point. I really fail to see how an incident here or there of a guy who survives from a great height really disproves anything I said. I never said I believe jumping provided 100% mortality rate, but it was linked to it.

I shouldn't have said 100% but you made the far more incorrect statement when you said luck plays a greater role than height, because it does not.

Implying luck plays a greater role than height is implying that height isn't a factor of the greatest importance, despite the fact that the evidence you've just shown proves that height makes success almost guaranteed. 98% is still massive.

I may have been slightly off with my numbers, but you are way off with your statement about luck, and the evidence you've posted doesn't go into great enough detail to prove how many of these falls from such a great height were free falls.

TL;DR I wasn't 100% right, but I'm not far off, where as you were far more off with your statement than me, making you more wrong than I .

Sit down.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Personally it's because I had a colleague witness a jumper. He jumped from a bridge onto a walking path below. He did NOT die instantly and he was conscious and moaning in agony with broken bones and organ evisceration for at least 20 minutes. Jumping is a violent and potentially agonizing death. It's not a sure thing either. Many jumpers survive with serious disability, making further attempts difficult.

20 mins? Woah, that's quite a while being in that position of broken bones and such.

 

[Lookoutbelow]

This is not me trying to encourage anyone, but I'm just curious.

I know the idea of jumping can be anxiety inducing, but surely any method would induce anxiety. The only method that would not induce anxiety in me is shotgun. The way I see it is -

If you find a very high place to jump, like above 100ft, besides some miracle you're not surviving that fall, you will not feel anything. I know a few places where I live that are 200-500ft.

It may be terrifying for a few seconds, but if you don't have a gun, you're probably thinking of other methods which take longer and are more uncomfortable.

IMO psyching yourself up to jump from a high enough place, maybe when inebriated/intoxicated, is the quickest way out without a gun and if you're not using the train method.

So why aren't more people considering this?

If you're in the UK you have no gun or SN. Even with SN you're experiencing a slower death difficulty breathing/nausea etc.

Jumping from a very tall place is pretty much guaranteed death if you get the height right, and you wont feel it once you hit the ground.

Agreed.

 

[thinvy]

I'm just repeating the others at this point, but accessibility and assurance of self deliverance is a big factor. I personally wish to traumatize as few people as possible. I plan to set up as many barriers to access my corpse as possible to prevent discovery by those not trained to deal with it.

more on accessibility though, where I used to live, literally none of the buildings are high enough. I'm fairly certain that falling from anywhere in my home town would just land me in the hospital 99 times out of 100. the tallest building I can think of is two stories, and I would be discovered before I could climb the water tower, and id probably pass out before I got to a decent height (heart issues)
I would've had to travel through 3 or 4 cities to get to somewhere with tall enough buildings, and I'm almost certain that even then, I wouldn't be able to get rooftop access. I can't think of anywhere in my old state that I could, to be honest. id have to have travelled out of state, and with all that said, I'd rather get a gun, even though that's not my style

 

[itwillallbeoverr]

This is not me trying to encourage anyone, but I'm just curious.

I know the idea of jumping can be anxiety inducing, but surely any method would induce anxiety. The only method that would not induce anxiety in me is shotgun. The way I see it is -

If you find a very high place to jump, like above 100ft, besides some miracle you're not surviving that fall, you will not feel anything. I know a few places where I live that are 200-500ft.

It may be terrifying for a few seconds, but if you don't have a gun, you're probably thinking of other methods which take longer and are more uncomfortable.

IMO psyching yourself up to jump from a high enough place, maybe when inebriated/intoxicated, is the quickest way out without a gun and if you're not using the train method.

So why aren't more people considering this?

If you're in the UK you have no gun or SN. Even with SN you're experiencing a slower death difficulty breathing/nausea etc.

Jumping from a very tall place is pretty much guaranteed death if you get the height right, and you wont feel it once you hit the ground.

In the same boat with this, just need to go through with the courage which is arguably hardest of all other ways but once you're over the edge that's it

 

[The Schizoid]

@losing hope

Also you failed to point out that those statistics also involved people jumping into water, which I would never recommend.

 

[remcycler]

Accessibility, might not land the way desired, and chances of survival/ chances of having an unpleasant outcome, but I do see the appeal to it

 

[sash]

@losing hope

Also you failed to point out that those statistics also involved people jumping into water, which I would never recommend.

Hi.
Can I ask why?
I do not want to jump, its low on my list. But if I did, I would be up high over water and tie something heavy to me that will sink.
I have more fear of the fall not working than the act of drowning.

 

[losing hope]

You complain about me being aggressive and yet you are condescending.

I treat others as they treat me. Your initial response to me was aggressive, so i'll treat you that way then. Until you debate in a respectful manner. Simples. Look at my post history & you'll see if others are nice to me, I am likewise. There is not many ppl on this forum that I can remember being an idiot in my almost 2 years of being here. You are def one of them.

Did you or did you not say that it's more about luck than height?

Yes I said luck is more of a factor than height & also provide a TON of evidence to prove ppl have fallen from planes & the Golden Gate Bridge yet still survived. Thus BACKING UP that suggestion. You haven't provided any evidence thus far & initally said in post #18...

This is despite the fact of the pretty much 100% fatality rate of a straight drop from 100ft?

Like I said above twice already (so this is the third time), reading about Beachy Head jumping last night, which you would think would be certain at 530ft. However even there it seems it is not always a straight drop as some ppl hit the cliff / bits of rock sticking out. Wind (i.e. LUCK i repeat LUCK) can push those ppl into the cliff face breaking their fall. It was the same with those ppl who survived plane crashes from miles in the sky, they fell on a tree / bush etc again due to the wind.

Hence a simple reason of why luck is more of a factor.

Without evidence & PROPERLY responding to my evidence & points above (not sweeping statements like you have made thus far), I'm not even going to read the rest of your WORD SALAD response. Because you frankly don't know what you are talking about. That is why you can't find any evidence to back up your claim.

Seems their is a ton of evidence backing up my claim. At the end of the day, if you want to jump from 100ft then you go ahead. Don't be surprised if you fail afterwards & end up in a worse situation!

@losing hope

Also you failed to point out that those statistics also involved people jumping into water, which I would never recommend.

What on earth are you talking about???

Beachy Head jumpers (who I've mentioned 3 times now in this thread) fall on rocks during the tide being out. Most of those survivers of plane crashes fell on land hence why they fell on a tree / bush etc again (due to the wind, i.e luck).

Mods; are we sure this dude is over 18 years old? Because I'm not sure based on the immaturity demonstrated in their posts here.

Hi.
Can I ask why?
I do not want to jump, its low on my list. But if I did, I would be up high over water and tie something heavy to me that will sink.
I have more fear of the fall not working than the act of drowning.

Yes I would like to know why you don't recommend jumping over water? Because a lot of ppl do that, for instance the MANY ppl who jump off the GGB. Making if the most popular ctb location in the world. Obviously if the fall doesn't get you, then drowning will as a back up.

So why do you go against the opinion of so many ppl? Is it because as I increasing suspect, you don't know what you are talking about Newbie?