Why does the general public call people who committed suicide weak and narcissistic?

[Moon25]

Why does the general public call people who committed suicide weak and narcissistic?
Why do people call such people (who think about suicide or who have already committed it) weak, selfish and that they think only of themselves?
If a person is thinking about suicide or has already committed it, then he has a reason for this and he is definitely not weak!

 

[rationaltake]

I think it is a knee-jerk reaction. And lots of people have no idea how much others suffer. I don't find a planned suicide weak. Quite the opposite.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Well, I personally lack psychological resilience- There is a lot more I could be doing to help myself. I just happen to have lost my motivation and inspiration. But, I agree, whether I choose to live or die is really my business.

 

[Harriet]

Why does the general public call people who committed suicide weak and narcissistic?
Why do people call such people (who think about suicide or who have already committed it) weak, selfish and that they think only of themselves?
If a person is thinking about suicide or has already committed it, then he has a reason for this and he is definitely not weak!

I guess because what the general public see after a suicide is the effect it has on the people left behind. The thing they don't see, and don't consider is what's going on in the mind of the suicidal person. If they could see that I think it would be a different story.

 

[Itsallover123]

They're projecting. They're the weak, narcissistic ones who only want you around even if you're suffering to feel better about themselves.

 

[vinie]

I cannot agree with this more. Ctb is in no way a weak act. It takes a lot more willpower and endurance than most people understand. It is not an act committed only by selfish individuals either, especially when it comes to those who are suffering from a chronic illness and believe that they are burdening their family (though this is usually a false claim). Yes, there have been cases where someone commits ctb with the goal of inflicting pain and guilt onto someone, but those are nut cases.

May everyone find peace within <3

 

[NormaJeane]

How people respond to suicide depends on the time we live in. In ancient times it was honorable to commit suicide, but religion made suicide a sin. In the modern society people believe that suicide depends on mental illness, but many suicides can depend on chronic pain, chronic illness, meaningless suffering, old age with age-related ailments and avoiding homelessness. People who call others weak because they want to die do not understand (they are lying) and they live in denial of human death. But one day these people who called us weak and mentally ill will also be sick and disabled and then they want to commit suicide themselves.

 

[cambrai33]

I don't give a flying fuck what the general public think

 

[FuneralCry]

Non suicidal people will never be able to comprehend what it is like to be suicidal as they are not suicidal themselves. They are ignorant and lack knowledge about how difficult suicide is, it is very difficult as we are programmed to survive even know we want to die.

Someone may call a suicidal person selfish to try and guilt trip them into staying alive, but however the true selfish thing is expecting people to suffer for decades against our wishes. We have the right to exit this world at a time of our choosing, we have no obligations to stay alive as we did not ask to exist. Many pro lifers always see suicide as irrational as they live under a delusion that life is always worth living. I see wanting suicide as being perfectly rational in a world as horrible as this.

 

[Hercules]

Being suicidal is something that people can't understand until they expierence it themselves. Even though everyone suffers and has setbacks in life, non suicidal people have not reached that level of suffering and desperation we have, and they can't even begin to understand what that is like.
Many people suffer and struggle for months or years before committing suicide. They are not being selfish. One daythey reach a breaking point and can no longer cope. The people who are being selfish, are the ones who did nothing to help the suicidal person while they were alive, and then try to play the victim and make it all about themselves.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Being suicidal is something that people can't understand until they expierence it themselves. Even though everyone suffers and has setbacks in life, non suicidal people have not reached that level of suffering and desperation we have, and they can't even begin to understand what that is like.
Many people suffer and struggle for months or years before committing suicide. They are not being selfish. One daythey reach a breaking point and can no longer cope. The people who are being selfish, are the ones who did nothing to help the suicidal person while they were alive, and then try to play the victim and make it all about themselves.

I'm sure it's possible that a suicidal person could be helped. But not me. Sometimes the issues are simply too large and existential. Career. Money. Companionship.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

Because they are in denial of mortality, and see death as the worst possible thing. They never stop and think about what the day to day is like for a suicidal person.

 

[dyingalone123]

The general public should try to stay awake for months on end and then they'll really know what it means to be suicidal. Insomnia literally almost killed me. So the next time someone tells me I'm selfish - I'm gonna tell them to try staying awake for a couple weeks without sleep. See if they can handle that - guaranteed you'll be suicidal.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

The general public should try to stay awake for months on end and then they'll really know what it means to be suicidal. Insomnia literally almost killed me. So the next time someone tells me I'm selfish - I'm gonna tell them to try staying awake for a couple weeks without sleep. See if they can handle that - guaranteed you'll be suicidal.

The word selfish does not even apply. And by the way, if selfish means choosing your own destiny, then fine so be it.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

Society should really stop bad mouthing and insulting those who died by suicide. Just think of all the suffering and pain they must have went through to even consider suicide. Just leave them be.

 

[Wrennie]

The general public should try to stay awake for months on end and then they'll really know what it means to be suicidal. Insomnia literally almost killed me. So the next time someone tells me I'm selfish - I'm gonna tell them to try staying awake for a couple weeks without sleep. See if they can handle that - guaranteed you'll be suicidal.

Ironic too, that one of the most effective prescription drugs for Insomnia Seconal was discontinued by the manufacturer due to its dual usage in Oregon assisted suicides.

 

[dyingalone123]

Ironic too, that one of the most effective prescription drugs for Insomnia Seconal was discontinued by the manufacturer due to its dual usage in Oregon assisted suicides.

I know!!!!!! Give me that barb to put me to sleep. They took it off the market and replaced it with benzos. Benzos can be life saving for some but addicting too.

 

[Raminiki]

Why does the general public call people who committed suicide weak and narcissistic?
Why do people call such people (who think about suicide or who have already committed it) weak, selfish and that they think only of themselves?
If a person is thinking about suicide or has already committed it, then he has a reason for this and he is definitely not weak!

It's easy to shift the blame and deny responsibility. It's a coping mechanism as they are confronted with a reality they can't handle.

 

[DoodleBug]

Nonsuicidal people will always rationalize the meaningless suffering on this world. They will never understand how much discipline and courage it takes to counter SI, even more than continously taking the cold, random punches of everyday life. I envy people who despite the awfulness of existence remain Strong and productive, since a lot of them will have some sense of understanding how its like to be suicidal. The ignorant ones only project the general, shitty, socital consensus that ctb is an "easy way out" not realizing that this implies that life is a fucking bitch.

Theres a wonderful plot thread in cloud Atlas about the nature of suicide:

 

[redwaymilk]

I don't think its weak or narcissistic, but unless you have no friends or family alive, its hard not to say suicide is selfish. You are leaving behind a body. That effect ripples out, first onto the person/s who discover it, then cops / firemen / EMS who come, potentially on hospital employees if you survive, then onto your friends and family who now also have to take care of what you left behind.

That's why I think its important that it is something that is well thought out, and you have made things as easy for others who are affected by your ripple. Ease your suffering, but ease those who will be affected by it.

 

[dyingalone123]

I don't think its weak or narcissistic, but unless you have no friends or family alive, its hard not to say suicide is selfish. You are leaving behind a body. That effect ripples out, first onto the person/s who discover it, then cops / firemen / EMS who come, potentially on hospital employees if you survive, then onto your friends and family who now also have to take care of what you left behind.

That's why I think its important that it is something that is well thought out, and you have made things as easy for others who are affected by your ripple. Ease your suffering, but ease those who will be affected by it.

Ah I see. I wish people understood what it feels like!!! I didn't become suicidal because I wanted to. I don't want to feel horrible like this all the time. Thankfully my antidepressant is somewhat helping.

I just think society needs to understand that pain - which they don't until they encounter it.
Chronic pain too. Lord, I don't think I have the worse chronic pain like others here are experiencing but god damn it.

 

[canna2]

Because the "general public" aka society wants to shame suicide as much as they can because society thrives on people getting kids. If suicide would be more common (and people wake up) , society in turn in would fall and humankind would cease to exist.

Thats why society shames people who suicide. Because it threathenes humakinds survival.

Fear is a big factor in human life. The things you write about is called "Fear Tactic". It's made to control the masses.

I've read somewhere that the highest rate of suicide among worktypes are doctors. Now, are doctors weak and narcisstic? Narcisstic maybe ...

Doctor.. Weak.. ? Doesn't equate for me.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

Because the "general public" aka society wants to shame suicide as much as they can because society thrives on people getting kids. If suicide would be more common (and people wake up) , society in turn in would fall and humankind would cease to exist.

Thats why society shames people who suicide. Because it threathenes humakinds survival.

Fear is a big factor in human life.

Maybe this is the same reason why economists freak out over falling birth rates. Less kids = less future workers and taxpayers. We are living in a dystopia and don't even realize it. If you show signs of suicidal behavior you are forcibly locked up in an institution as a punishment. They even bill you for it.

Humans were never meant to live like this. Crammed into tiny, prison-like apartment buildings, surrounded by strangers you don't trust, working a job you hate just so you can feed and shelter yourself.

Life is absolutely pointless for most people if they were actually honest with themselves. I think our problem is that we realized how much life sucks too early in life. Now we are burdened with this knowledge and the knowledge that suicide is a viable option.

 

[okaoki]

i just stopped caring about what people think anymore, my mom is someone who would laugh at people who CTB and say why they so dumb/stupid
i open up to her once , she told me to stop thinking non-sense

 

[FromGermany]

In public reports on TV, newspapers, Internet whatsoever, the word "committed" will be used as an propaganda attempt to build a very specific picture about CTB.

Usually the word "committed" is conntected to "committed a crime".

That shall be the picuture.

Even the thread starter is using that word, because it's so usual.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

Almost everyone is wrong about many things that matter to them. DNA has an iron grip on neurotypicals' (so-called) thought processes. To recognize what is the product of higher reasoning and what is the product of the genetic imperative doesn't come easily to these people.

 

[Aeathelina]

Because religion frowns upon unless its for the greater sacrifice to save others.
which is dumb, if someone feels that by ending their life will help others than its not a sin

 

[Bulldogbitch]

It is strange and when is dying acceptable? Of old age? Until they die first so they don't have to deal with the loss it brings?

I've lost a few people to suicide and I don't think they are selfish, it's just sad to me that anyone who has taken their life, tried to or thinking that way are in an awful place.
I get angry at the system for not helping early on or turning people away when actually seeking help.

Suicide is tough enough to act on, let alone people throwing their issues on you surrounding this topic.

You're dammed if you do or dammed if you don't really.

 

[Elegy]

I've actually never heard suicidal people called "narcissistic". Selfish maybe, but not narcissistic. Weak. Yeah that's pretty common description. I imagine peeps hastily adopt that visceral response because they're scared, they themselves, might someday wind up on the edge of a cliff.

 

[Bulldogbitch]

In public reports on TV, newspapers, Internet whatsoever, the word "committed" will be used as an propaganda attempt to build a very specific picture about CTB.

Usually the word "committed" is conntected to "committed a crime".

It's the same if a person has been injured by someone else, freak accident etc, the commonly used term is you've had an accident or your accident when it's not intentional.