Why do some people claim to suffocate on SN?

[job1315]

Please share any insights on why a couple people claim it felt like suffocating

 

[Nymph]

Never read about people suffocating on SN, do u have a source?
I guess the SN can leave a burning throat and it could make you feel like suffocating? Not sure really

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Because methemoglobinemia causes hypoxia. You can research methemoglobinemia to understand how it works in the body.

I accidentally got a little SN in my system when I blood tested it, and I started to have restricted breathing, so I drank a lot of water to flush and quickly started breathing normally again. This was after I had COVID and my lungs were compromised.

 

[degeneratewaste]

my assumption is that since, after SN consumption, methemoglobin takes away all of the oxygen from surrounding tissues. this is how it kills you; you run out of oxygen. when your oxygen is depleting, that will give you the suffocating feeling. however, if you read Stan's guide/other resources and administer SN properly, you should be able to prevent a suffocating feeling if you can pass out quickly enough before it takes effect.

 

[Symbiote]

You're internally suffocating your brain and organs from receiving oxygen via blood cells. You won't feel it because you'll be so lightheaded and sleepy/tired that you pass out.

 

[Ghost2211]

The only reason people would suffer breathing issues while conscious is if they consume or absorb to a low a dosage. People that are experiencing such symptoms also might be perceiving the Increase in respiration and heart rate as suffocating, but you are still taking in plenty of oxygen. The brain is the last thing to be depleted of oxygen, and you lose consciousness before suffocation occurs.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Look up the most recent threads posted by @Living sucks, she already had breathing difficulties and when she tested a small amount of SN (not recommended!!! she had her reasons), she experienced increased breathing difficulty. I think folks with asthma or COPD are going to be more likely to experience it, just as some people with gastric issues are going to be more prone to pain.

I personally don't think there's a way of knowing if one is more likely to experience this based on too much or too little SN, no offense to other members who have commented about that or about losing consciousness, these are opinions and, well, this is mine, which happens to be an opposing one :) It makes sense to me that if you take enough to lose consciousness, you won't feel this symptom, but it makes equal sense to me that if you already have breathing issues, you may experience them while still conscious. There are a variety of symptoms folks can experience before they lose consciousness, and some lose consciousness more quickly than others and therefore experience less symptoms.

 

[Deformationalplagio]

Please share any insights on why a couple people claim it felt like suffocating

Sodium nitrites form of hypoxia is because of methemoglobinemia. You actually have differend types of hypoxia and only 1 is actually not painfull and this is nitrogen (brain) hypoxia because it only affects the brain. Now hypoxia induced by methemoglobinemia is a diffrend beast because it affects the skin, heart, and even lungs and only at the very end the brains. Even sodium nitrite is know to cause brain damage and that the reason why doctors test this after someone took an overdosis. It also causes cyanosis simmular to that of when you take cyanide wich is known to be one of the most painfull suicide methods. Sodium nitrite isnt the way to go, but people in here are very desperate and even i almost took it. luckely i started reseaching on my own and found a bunch of scientific papers. There was also this guy on quora who said he and his team took it by accident on work and it was the most terrible thing that they ever felt. Says enough dont believe everything on the forum and do your research. I think fetanyl is the best choice now

 

[Worndown]

It inhibits oxygen transmission to your cells. The body reacts as if being suffocated.

 

[ZardozOmega]

Lactic acid buildup would be my guess.

Sodium nitrites form of hypoxia is because of methemoglobinemia. You actually have differend types of hypoxia and only 1 is actually not painfull and this is nitrogen (brain) hypoxia because it only affects the brain. Now hypoxia induced by methemoglobinemia is a diffrend beast because it affects the skin, heart, and even lungs and only at the very end the brains. Even sodium nitrite is know to cause brain damage and that the reason why doctors test this after someone took an overdosis. It also causes cyanosis simmular to that of when you take cyanide wich is known to be one of the most painfull suicide methods. Sodium nitrite isnt the way to go, but people in here are very desperate and even i almost took it. luckely i started reseaching on my own and found a bunch of scientific papers. There was also this guy on quora who said he and his team took it by accident on work and it was the most terrible thing that they ever felt. Says enough dont believe everything on the forum and do your research. I think fetanyl is the best choice now

I'm pretty sure most of this is wrong.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Even sodium nitrite is know to cause brain damage

luckely i started reseaching on my own and found a bunch of scientific papers.

Says enough dont believe everything on the forum and do your research.

Well, I'll admit I didn't believe what you said here, that SN is known to cause brain damage, and I agree about not believing everything one reads on a forum, so I did my own research. I googled "sodium nitrite brain damage."

I found a study on rats that had brain damage from SN and were treated with stem cells. I didn't find anything about humans with brain damage and I've searched this topic several times since I've been a member, because the claim about brain damage has come up many times on the forum. Please, if you have found such evidence in scientific papers that SN causes brain damage in humans, would you be so kind as to do a service to the forum and link them? If you are correct, I'll gladly direct people to that information in subsequent discussions.



I found this study on humans given SN:

Effect of nitrite on the electroencephalographic activity in the healthy brain

Nitrite is a major intravascular store for nitric oxide. The conversion of nitrite to the active nitric oxide occurs mainly under hypoxic conditions t…

www.sciencedirect.com

"Our study shows that exogenous sodium nitrite does not alter the electrical activity in the healthy brain. This might be because the sodium nitrite is converted to vasoactive nitric oxide in areas of hypoxia, and in the healthy brain there is no significant amount of conversion due to lack of hypoxia"

I've found articles since I've been a member that people who attempted suicide with SN and survived did not experience brain damage, such as this article:

Severe Methemoglobinemia due to Sodium Nitrite Poisoning

<i>Case</i>. We report a case of severe methemoglobinemia due to sodium nitrite poisoning. A 28-year-old man was brought to our emergency department because of transient loss of consciousness and cyanosis. He was immediately intubated and ventilated with 100% oxygen. A blood test revealed a...

www.hindawi.com

"Outcome. We treated the patient with gastric lavage, activated charcoal, and methylene blue (2 mg/kg) administered intravenously. Soon after receiving methylene blue, his cyanosis resolved and the methemoglobin level began to decrease. After relocation to the intensive care unit, his consciousness improved and he could recall ingesting approximately 15 g sodium nitrite about 1 hour before he was brought to our hospital. The patient was discharged on day 7 without neurologic impairment."



I'm not trying to beat you down here, I just think it's important to take responsibility to back up claims we make since what we say can impact so many people, like yelling there's a fire in a movie theater -- if there's not even a smell of smoke to cause reasonable concern, let alone flames, and people respond based on that cry, there's a level of personal responsibility there. People can be strongly influenced by hearing "scientific papers" because we have an authority bias that can override cognition. But of course, people are responsible to do their own research and make their own decisions, so if you decide you don't want to provide the evidence and someone takes your claim at face value...meh. I've got my own death to be responsible for.

 

[Abir_london]

Sodium nitrites form of hypoxia is because of methemoglobinemia. You actually have differend types of hypoxia and only 1 is actually not painfull and this is nitrogen (brain) hypoxia because it only affects the brain. Now hypoxia induced by methemoglobinemia is a diffrend beast because it affects the skin, heart, and even lungs and only at the very end the brains. Even sodium nitrite is know to cause brain damage and that the reason why doctors test this after someone took an overdosis. It also causes cyanosis simmular to that of when you take cyanide wich is known to be one of the most painfull suicide methods. Sodium nitrite isnt the way to go, but people in here are very desperate and even i almost took it. luckely i started reseaching on my own and found a bunch of scientific papers. There was also this guy on quora who said he and his team took it by accident on work and it was the most terrible thing that they ever felt. Says enough dont believe everything on the forum and do your research. I think fetanyl is the best choice now

How can I get more info about it?

Well, I'll admit I didn't believe what you said here, that SN is known to cause brain damage, and I agree about not believing everything one reads on a forum, so I did my own research. I googled "sodium nitrite brain damage."

I found a study on rats that had brain damage from SN and were treated with stem cells. I didn't find anything about humans with brain damage and I've searched this topic several times since I've been a member, because the claim about brain damage has come up many times on the forum. Please, if you have found such evidence in scientific papers that SN causes brain damage in humans, would you be so kind as to do a service to the forum and link them? If you are correct, I'll gladly direct people to that information in subsequent discussions.



I found this study on humans given SN:

Effect of nitrite on the electroencephalographic activity in the healthy brain

Nitrite is a major intravascular store for nitric oxide. The conversion of nitrite to the active nitric oxide occurs mainly under hypoxic conditions t…

www.sciencedirect.com

"Our study shows that exogenous sodium nitrite does not alter the electrical activity in the healthy brain. This might be because the sodium nitrite is converted to vasoactive nitric oxide in areas of hypoxia, and in the healthy brain there is no significant amount of conversion due to lack of hypoxia"

I've found articles since I've been a member that people who attempted suicide with SN and survived did not experience brain damage, such as this article:

Severe Methemoglobinemia due to Sodium Nitrite Poisoning

<i>Case</i>. We report a case of severe methemoglobinemia due to sodium nitrite poisoning. A 28-year-old man was brought to our emergency department because of transient loss of consciousness and cyanosis. He was immediately intubated and ventilated with 100% oxygen. A blood test revealed a...

www.hindawi.com

"Outcome. We treated the patient with gastric lavage, activated charcoal, and methylene blue (2 mg/kg) administered intravenously. Soon after receiving methylene blue, his cyanosis resolved and the methemoglobin level began to decrease. After relocation to the intensive care unit, his consciousness improved and he could recall ingesting approximately 15 g sodium nitrite about 1 hour before he was brought to our hospital. The patient was discharged on day 7 without neurologic impairment."



I'm not trying to beat you down here, I just think it's important to take responsibility to back up claims we make since what we say can impact so many people, like yelling there's a fire in a movie theater -- if there's not even a smell of smoke to cause reasonable concern, let alone flames, and people respond based on that cry, there's a level of personal responsibility there. People can be strongly influenced by hearing "scientific papers" because we have an authority bias that can override cognition. But of course, people are responsible to do their own research and make their own decisions, so if you decide you don't want to provide the evidence and someone takes your claim at face value...meh. I've got my own death to be responsible for.

Thank you for this,very informative

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Well, I'll admit I didn't believe what you said here, that SN is known to cause brain damage, and I agree about not believing everything one reads on a forum, so I did my own research. I googled "sodium nitrite brain damage."

I found a study on rats that had brain damage from SN and were treated with stem cells. I didn't find anything about humans with brain damage and I've searched this topic several times since I've been a member, because the claim about brain damage has come up many times on the forum. Please, if you have found such evidence in scientific papers that SN causes brain damage in humans, would you be so kind as to do a service to the forum and link them? If you are correct, I'll gladly direct people to that information in subsequent discussions.



I found this study on humans given SN:

Effect of nitrite on the electroencephalographic activity in the healthy brain

Nitrite is a major intravascular store for nitric oxide. The conversion of nitrite to the active nitric oxide occurs mainly under hypoxic conditions t…

www.sciencedirect.com

"Our study shows that exogenous sodium nitrite does not alter the electrical activity in the healthy brain. This might be because the sodium nitrite is converted to vasoactive nitric oxide in areas of hypoxia, and in the healthy brain there is no significant amount of conversion due to lack of hypoxia"

I've found articles since I've been a member that people who attempted suicide with SN and survived did not experience brain damage, such as this article:

Severe Methemoglobinemia due to Sodium Nitrite Poisoning

<i>Case</i>. We report a case of severe methemoglobinemia due to sodium nitrite poisoning. A 28-year-old man was brought to our emergency department because of transient loss of consciousness and cyanosis. He was immediately intubated and ventilated with 100% oxygen. A blood test revealed a...

www.hindawi.com

"Outcome. We treated the patient with gastric lavage, activated charcoal, and methylene blue (2 mg/kg) administered intravenously. Soon after receiving methylene blue, his cyanosis resolved and the methemoglobin level began to decrease. After relocation to the intensive care unit, his consciousness improved and he could recall ingesting approximately 15 g sodium nitrite about 1 hour before he was brought to our hospital. The patient was discharged on day 7 without neurologic impairment."



I'm not trying to beat you down here, I just think it's important to take responsibility to back up claims we make since what we say can impact so many people, like yelling there's a fire in a movie theater -- if there's not even a smell of smoke to cause reasonable concern, let alone flames, and people respond based on that cry, there's a level of personal responsibility there. People can be strongly influenced by hearing "scientific papers" because we have an authority bias that can override cognition. But of course, people are responsible to do their own research and make their own decisions, so if you decide you don't want to provide the evidence and someone takes your claim at face value...meh. I've got my own death to be responsible for.

@Deformationalplagio, this text below is from the SuicideWiki. There are links to support the claims, I haven't checked them, but I recommend anyone who is concerned about brain damage do so.

On a side note, I noticed you posted a link in another thread to support your concern, and it was indeed about rat brain damage due to SN. I wonder if rats' brains do not release nitric oxide to protect them from the hypoxic brain damage as humans' brains do.


"There are cases of people recovering from sodium nitrite poisoning without any side effects (Katabami, Hayakawa & Gando, 2016). Minute dosage of methylene blue increases oxygen from fatal 20% to healthy 90% within 30―60 minutes. Even in those cases that the ambulance was called soon enough, surviving was not certain (Harvey, Cave & Chanwai, 2010). The patient had lactic acid levels 9.6 mmol/L, which is almost 6 mmol/L higher than the minimum levels to suffer from metabolic acidosis. The reason for such low chance of injury is the fact that the brain is protected during low O2 conditions by nitric oxide (Kolluru, Prasai, Kaskas, Letchuman & Pattillo, 2016). Release of NO locally results in a proportional increase in cerebral blood flow that compensates for the reduction in blood oxygen carrying capacity (Hare, Tsui, Crawford & Patel, 2013)."

 

[Meditation guide]

I've read on this forum from people who are reporting how they feel that they feel dizzy then pass out. If someone has said it was hard to breathe I don't recall that.
Who has felt like they were suffocating with SN?

This is typical, from letz's experience:
22:45 SN ingested
22:49 started a last smoke
22:50 starting to feel nauseaus
22:50 dizziness is setting in
22:51 puked a little into a plastic bag
22:52 fell over, no longer responsive to sound

She experienced increased breathing difficulty.

Can you post the link?

 

[Shu]

Well, I'll admit I didn't believe what you said here, that SN is known to cause brain damage, and I agree about not believing everything one reads on a forum, so I did my own research. I googled "sodium nitrite brain damage."

I found a study on rats that had brain damage from SN and were treated with stem cells. I didn't find anything about humans with brain damage and I've searched this topic several times since I've been a member, because the claim about brain damage has come up many times on the forum. Please, if you have found such evidence in scientific papers that SN causes brain damage in humans, would you be so kind as to do a service to the forum and link them? If you are correct, I'll gladly direct people to that information in subsequent discussions.



I found this study on humans given SN:

Effect of nitrite on the electroencephalographic activity in the healthy brain

Nitrite is a major intravascular store for nitric oxide. The conversion of nitrite to the active nitric oxide occurs mainly under hypoxic conditions t…

www.sciencedirect.com

"Our study shows that exogenous sodium nitrite does not alter the electrical activity in the healthy brain. This might be because the sodium nitrite is converted to vasoactive nitric oxide in areas of hypoxia, and in the healthy brain there is no significant amount of conversion due to lack of hypoxia"

I've found articles since I've been a member that people who attempted suicide with SN and survived did not experience brain damage, such as this article:

Severe Methemoglobinemia due to Sodium Nitrite Poisoning

<i>Case</i>. We report a case of severe methemoglobinemia due to sodium nitrite poisoning. A 28-year-old man was brought to our emergency department because of transient loss of consciousness and cyanosis. He was immediately intubated and ventilated with 100% oxygen. A blood test revealed a...

www.hindawi.com

"Outcome. We treated the patient with gastric lavage, activated charcoal, and methylene blue (2 mg/kg) administered intravenously. Soon after receiving methylene blue, his cyanosis resolved and the methemoglobin level began to decrease. After relocation to the intensive care unit, his consciousness improved and he could recall ingesting approximately 15 g sodium nitrite about 1 hour before he was brought to our hospital. The patient was discharged on day 7 without neurologic impairment."



I'm not trying to beat you down here, I just think it's important to take responsibility to back up claims we make since what we say can impact so many people, like yelling there's a fire in a movie theater -- if there's not even a smell of smoke to cause reasonable concern, let alone flames, and people respond based on that cry, there's a level of personal responsibility there. People can be strongly influenced by hearing "scientific papers" because we have an authority bias that can override cognition. But of course, people are responsible to do their own research and make their own decisions, so if you decide you don't want to provide the evidence and someone takes your claim at face value...meh. I've got my own death to be responsible for.

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