why do people save others?

[cyanidekitty]

i still don't entirely understand why people constantly choose to intervene with others decision to commit.

maybe if there were better painless & legal options then people wouldnt have to traumatize others in public.

i understand the fact that obviously most people wouldnt want their family member/partner/friend to be dead but i feel like people don't actually look at others situations. life isn't for everyone & it sure as hell doesnt get better for everyone

i dont think anyone should be forced to live

 

[doomedbynarrative]

Ultimately, I think the one thing in this world that people are scared of as much as death is loss. Loss of anything. Loss of people, money, power, stability, etc etc.

People try to save life because they don't want to experience loss.

 

[ireallywasnttogopls]

they just don't understand the nature of suicide

 

[NameOfAction]

I thinks it's the innate fear of death. We try and prevent death as much as possible with little regard for reason and logic. Think, keeping the frail and elderly on life support or people's horror in the face of euthanasia (of animals, let alone humans)

But I doubt most of us are free of it. Would you ignore someone convulsing in a noose, if you happened upon the scene?

I like to think I'd cut it down first, ask questions later

I agree that one ought to have a right to die, but I'd violate it a 100 times if it means at least one of them changed their mind (and I've known many who did)

 

[Tired_birth_1967]

Being human is simply something programmed by chance in a continuous process of "trial and error," seeking only to maintain life at any cost, even if that cost is pain and suffering. It is a mechanism, therefore, indifferent to pain and suffering. Everything we do in the current configuration of our system took millions of years to establish. And it never stops. We simply don't know how far it will go, just as our ancestors never knew. In short: automatic behavior. It's part of our inherited evolutionary programming. In other words, the SI is also present in this. It's the same thing that keeps us here. Even before the development of conscious logic, our brain reacts to threats to survival (including our own perception). Saving someone reinforces this instinct, activating areas that generate fear and automatic protective reactions. The human species is a grotesque thing generated by chance like any other species. It's grotesque and pathetic because behind what we understand as "emotions" there is only a cold and indifferent mechanism. We act according to a program, and our mind, without understanding this, names them as feelings. Whoever save you is acting automatically, it's not exactly because they care about you. It just seems that way. (I use Google Translate to communicate my ideas. The translation may contain errors)

 

[Captive_Mind515]

I thinks it's the innate fear of death. We try and prevent death as much as possible with little regard for reason and logic. Think, keeping the frail and elderly on life support or people's horror in the face of euthanasia (of animals, let alone humans)

But I doubt most of us are free of it. Would you ignore someone convulsing in a noose, if you happened upon the scene?

I like to think I'd cut it down first, ask questions later

I agree that one ought to have a right to die, but I'd violate it a 100 times if it means at least one of them changed their mind (and I've known many who did)

So screw over the 99 in order to possibly help 1 person?

You know if you cut someone down, you very likely could be condemning that person to live as a vegetable with very profound brain damage, right?

I don't consider these to be acts of kindness or compassion for suffering people.

 

[cyanidekitty]

I thinks it's the innate fear of death. We try and prevent death as much as possible with little regard for reason and logic. Think, keeping the frail and elderly on life support or people's horror in the face of euthanasia (of animals, let alone humans)

But I doubt most of us are free of it. Would you ignore someone convulsing in a noose, if you happened upon the scene?

I like to think I'd cut it down first, ask questions later

I agree that one ought to have a right to die, but I'd violate it a 100 times if it means at least one of them changed their mind (and I've known many who did)

you are right about this i think its probably just a natural reaction to help others in a situation like that. thank you for this

 

[FuneralCry]

Because they want others to be tortured, all that anti-suicide people want is for others to feel the agony and torture of existing for as much and as long as possible, it's just so evil, all that these people do is just cause way more harm and suffering in this dreadful, torturous existence where there is no limit as to how much agony one can feel, to me imprisoning others in this horrific reality is such a terrible crime.

It truly is the most evil anti-suicide world where those who want to peacefully escape from all future suffering and torture are punished by these people, to me humans truly are the worst species, it's so terrible how so many so tragically impose this existence onto others causing all this dreadful harm and suffering as a result yet do all they can to make it so others are tortured for as long as possible, existence truly is imprisonment, to suffer in this existence truly is the most terrible, undeserved punishment to me.

 

[cyanidekitty]

Ultimately, I think the one thing in this world that people are scared of as much as death is loss. Loss of anything. Loss of people, money, power, stability, etc etc.

People try to save life because they don't want to experience loss.

oh for sure

 

[wine is fine but]

i still don't entirely understand why people constantly choose to intervene with others decision to commit.

sadly they cannot - human nature means that we all would find it very difficult to watch someone die and not try to help

at least 2 threads on here where someone witnessed a suicide proved that even when you know it is what the person wants, it is still a traumatic thing to see

as name of action suggested, most, if not all of us here would probably do it automatically - even our own bodies try to do the same thing, hence the term survival instinct

 

[cyanidekitty]

sadly they cannot - human nature means that we all would find it very difficult to watch someone die and not try to help

at least 2 threads on here where someone witnessed a suicide proved that even when you know it is what the person wants, it is still a traumatic thing to see

as name of action suggested, most, if not all of us here would probably do it automatically - even our own bodies try to do the same thing, hence the term survival instinct

yeah you're right, i feel like even if i witnessed a potential suicide id question it & i dont think id allow myself to just walk away and move on with life.

 

[vitbar]

I have before and even got thanked. A new acquaintance phoned me saying they had taken an overdose. She didn't know my opinion or history around suicide. I read this as a covert plea for help. My reasoning being that it's the expected response from some random friendly person.

I know that my main motivator for reaching out when depressed and suicidal is relief from those thoughts and feelings. I never phoned a hotline expecting them to support my choice. I could be projecting. It's unreasonable to expect anyone to do nothing without a proper conversation. I'm too polite to want to drag anyone else into my own suicide. I do struggle with thoughts that I inconvenience people.

 

[SummerTrip]

To feel good about themselves. "I saved them". Yeah, you "did" by prolonging the suffering you are too ignorant to notice no matter how loud the person screams.

 

[Life]

Most people when they think of suicide, they think of suffering.
Suicide is an ending, life is finite, this is scary to everyone, it scares the hell out of me and I don't even have anything worth living for.
Peoples emotional states change, eventually most people find something to live for. (Notice all the people that leave this forum.)
I'm not the brightest but that's the first things I thought of.

 

[cyanidekitty]

To feel good about themselves. "I saved them". Yeah, you "did" by prolonging the suffering you are too ignorant to notice no matter how loud the person screams.

yeah. i feel like a lot of people forget that one attempt just bounds them to more suffering (most of the time anyway)

Most people when they think of suicide, they think of suffering.
Suicide is an ending, life is finite, this is scary to everyone, it scares the hell out of me and I don't even have anything worth living for.
Peoples emotional states change, eventually most people find something to live for. (Notice all the people that leave this forum.)
I'm not the brightest but that's the first things I thought of.

yeah i definitely understand what you mean. and im sure for some people, being saved can mean to them that "someone does care about me."

 

[vanillabug333]

i still don't entirely understand why people constantly choose to intervene with others decision to commit.

maybe if there were better painless & legal options then people wouldnt have to traumatize others in public.

i understand the fact that obviously most people wouldnt want their family member/partner/friend to be dead but i feel like people don't actually look at others situations. life isn't for everyone & it sure as hell doesnt get better for everyone

i dont think anyone should be forced to live

I have had a lot of frustration with people trying to force me to stay alive against my will. Especially because when it comes down to it, none of them are ever there for me when I need it. They say we're selfish for wanting to die, but they're selfish for wanting us to live. We clearly didn't just come to this decision lightly. It's just convenient for them so that they don't have to feel guilty. In my opinion, if they feel guilty, that's kind of on them.

 

[cyanidekitty]

I have before and even got thanked. A new acquaintance phoned me saying they had taken an overdose. She didn't know my opinion or history around suicide. I read this as a covert plea for help. My reasoning being that it's the expected response from some random friendly person.

I know that my main motivator for reaching out when depressed and suicidal is relief from those thoughts and feelings. I never phoned a hotline expecting them to support my choice. I could be projecting. It's unreasonable to expect anyone to do nothing without a proper conversation. I'm too polite to want to drag anyone else into my own suicide. I do struggle with thoughts that I inconvenience people.

well i just want u to know you are not a burden nor are u inconveniencing anyone by reaching out. you arent "bringing them into your suicide" you just need someone to help u understand what you're really feeling

i hope she is doing better now

I have had a lot of frustration with people trying to force me to stay alive against my will. Especially because when it comes down to it, none of them are ever there for me when I need it. They say we're selfish for wanting to die, but they're selfish for wanting us to live. We clearly didn't just come to this decision lightly. It's just convenient for them so that they don't have to feel guilty. In my opinion, if they feel guilty, that's kind of on them.

i think that feeling guilty would insinuate that you almost feel like you're the reason behind it..so i definitely see what u mean. but they could also mean they feel guilty cause they "didnt do enough"

regardless, i definitely can see why you & others would be frustrated. at the end of the day, we are all our own person & we cant just step into others places and actually experience what they are going thru (or have been thru)

i personally think in most cases its kind of inconsiderate— unless its an impulsive decision, idk tho

 

[bakenohana]

to me it just feels like they wanna feel like a saviour for the sake of their own ego, like oh look at me i "saved" this person because everyone has to live and they're obviously gonna regret their decision! a few years down the line they'll realize this was for their own good and thank me! maybe there is people who do intervene out of fear and desperation but I don't have any sympathy for them either because who are you to intervene in someone else's decisions simply just because you're afraid? this doesn't really touch on interrupting people since they dont have my address but I have a friend that always says "I want you to live" whenever i touch upon anything suicidal and though it might be "good intentioned" it honestly just sounds gross. it's always about I me myself me me me I it's never about the person who's actually suffering people couldn't care less about the fact they're making things worse if it means they can label themselves a hero. I can't see myself ever intervening if someone were to ctb infront of me. if i did i would literally ctb myself because of how much i would hate myself for ever doing such a disgusting thing

 

[xXSufferingXx]

people who "save" others from sucide haven't experienced a pain bad enough to understand the desire to leave this planet.
so they ignorantly think "oh come on, i'm sure it will get better".
which makes them think it's ok to interfere with someone's suicide.
when that person is only trying to get peace.
and then they can feel like a hero... when in reality they are responsible for that person now being forced into a psychiatric hospital,
and possibly being physically disabled for life.

example: this so called "hero" comes and "saves" someone who already attempted suicide, and they are in the middle of dying,
but then gets "saved" by the ambulance and survives with permanent disability, when the person could have just fully died, if left alone.