watereyes

watereyes

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Mar 27, 2020
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I swear, this is serious. Serious vent. I'm questioning myself and I wish I could post this on reddit but I'm afraid I'm gonna start drama. (also not finding the proper sub)

But I gotta get this out. I litterally grew to hate it. Thats just so common in my country (France). Here you see something stupid, just go 'yeah it's dumb but not as bad as America' and I swear this happens SO. MUCH
Like the other day I was at the table with my family and my bro kept talking about how America was just the idiots of Europe that settled there. It was kinda funny to hear but also crazy, imagine saying this about another country, it's racist then, but not for America it seems.

basically to us frenchies, when we hear 'this is america' we see this:


Where I live we're actually pretty fucking racist, and I'm sick of pretending otherwise. i. fucking. hate. this. picture.
What else can I say? I despise America. I despise english, even though I wanna teach it some day. I don't know if America is like the stereotypes I know in France. My sis went there and said it's true, but idk. She's racist too I guess. I think I'm pretty fucking racist then, but it's not the usual racism. I hate myself for that, but I feel like my brain is working against me.

I hate the fact that I hate this country because I don't know why.

Mods feel free to delete this, I just NEEDED to get this off my chest and i have no fking idea where to!
 
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The US is one of the most diverse nations on Earth. Everything from the ice of Alaska to the hottest place on Earth. From the extraordinary achievements of NASA's Mars-roving boffins to the bone-headed violence and hate of culturally impoverished regions. The message is "never a dull moment."

With that degree of diversity, contrast and internal conflict, there is a big problem with either praising or lashing at Uncle Sam. Any commentary made will say more about the critic than the nation being criticised. The full spectrum of human potential is there, so the question is: which parts are you biased towards or against? What are you blind to and what overwhelms you? As for the land of the stars and stripes itself... it is as it is.
 
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There's a difference between hating America and hating Americans. Decades of godawful foreign policy and cultural imperialism are good reasons to hate America as a nation. I'd say actually loving the country is in pretty bad conscience and kinda yikes.

But it's definitely prejudicial to assume its folks are bad or stupid or whatever your family's saying. And quite untrue. I'd call that image pretty offensive.

(As an aside, it's also worth noting that we in the western world have largely benefitted from America's hegemony. So we have to acknowledge our complicity in its wrongs. Let's not make a complete moral scapegoat of the US.)
 
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There's a difference between hating America and hating Americans. Decades of godawful foreign policy and cultural imperialism are good reasons to hate America as a nation. I'd say actually loving the country is in pretty bad conscience and kinda yikes.

But it's definitely prejudicial to assume its folks are bad or stupid or whatever your family's saying. And quite untrue. I'd call that image pretty offensive.

(As an aside, it's also worth noting that we in the western world have largely benefitted from America's hegemony. So we have to acknowledge our complicity in its wrongs. Let's not make a complete moral scapegoat of the US.)
hi, thanks for answering. You're on point.. I know it's untrue. The stereotypes are wrong. And thats because they're stereotypes. And it's crazy that this is what I and my family see, or rather what we're shown, still. At the same time, I don't know if all Americans see France as that stereotypical 'liberal and open minded place' with good food (which it definitely isnt and never will be)

But now that I think of it, I don't like France a lot either. So at least I know its not some sort of patriotism like 'France is ze best fuck everything else' (which is quite present here) even though i tend to joke it is. Maybe I just hate humans in general. And since I'm mostly exposed to Americans on the internet I blame their nation.
 
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Angst Filled Fuck Up

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2,912
You commie frog! You must truly hate freedom. Just because we don't know Iraq from Australia on a world map, doesn't mean we're stupid. My motorized shopping cart runs on cheeseburger grease which in itself is testament to the ingenuity of this great nation. Away with you!
 
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I suspect you and your family are just reacting naturally to the very limited version of America that's being presented to you. The error would be assuming all or most or even many Americans fit the stereotype you dislike, but it sounds like you're aware of that. It's easy to hate the extreme types the media is incentivised to display.

My hunch is most Americans are pretty much the same as most Frenchies.
 
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But... America is not just the United States, it's a whole continent. In this case, when we talk about America, do we mean only the US?
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Però,... Amèrica no es pas només els Estats Units, és tot un continent. En aquest cas, quan parlem d'América, ens referim només als EE.UU.?
 
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watereyes

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Mar 27, 2020
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But... America is not just the United States, it's a whole continent. In this case, when we talk about America, do we mean only the US?
//
Però,... Amèrica no es pas només els Estats Units, és tot un continent. En aquest cas, quan parlem d'América, ens referim només als EE.UU.?
sei que America é um continente, tava pensando, america do norte. (sim, sei que seu comentario esta em espanhol, e por favor perdoe meu português muito ruim)

edit : wait it's not exactly spanish is it, i thought it was at first glance.
 
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sei que America é um continente, tava pensando, america do norte. (sim, sei que seu comentario esta em espanhol, e por favor perdoe meu português muito ruim)

edit : wait it's not exactly spanish is it, i thought it was at first glance.
hehe, the web translator doesn't work for me with so many mixed languages. I wrote in Catalan. Well, I got you, you focused on North America.
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hehe, el traductor web no em va amb tants idiomes barrejats. He escrit en català. Bé, t'he entés, t'has centrat a Amèrica del Nord.
 
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HelloIMustBeGoing

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The media has you brainwashed. Turn off all the propaganda media and your hate will vanish.
 
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freedompass

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Jan 27, 2021
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I swear, this is serious. Serious vent. I'm questioning myself and I wish I could post this on reddit but I'm afraid I'm gonna start drama. (also not finding the proper sub)

But I gotta get this out. I litterally grew to hate it. Thats just so common in my country (France). Here you see something stupid, just go 'yeah it's dumb but not as bad as America' and I swear this happens SO. MUCH
Like the other day I was at the table with my family and my bro kept talking about how America was just the idiots of Europe that settled there. It was kinda funny to hear but also crazy, imagine saying this about another country, it's racist then, but not for America it seems.

basically to us frenchies, when we hear 'this is america' we see this:


Where I live we're actually pretty fucking racist, and I'm sick of pretending otherwise. i. fucking. hate. this. picture.
What else can I say? I despise America. I despise english, even though I wanna teach it some day. I don't know if America is like the stereotypes I know in France. My sis went there and said it's true, but idk. She's racist too I guess. I think I'm pretty fucking racist then, but it's not the usual racism. I hate myself for that, but I feel like my brain is working against me.

I hate the fact that I hate this country because I don't know why.

Mods feel free to delete this, I just NEEDED to get this off my chest and i have no fking idea where to!
It's not racism. Possibly xenophobia
 
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Sep 18, 2021
435
The United States of America is a very large and complex country. Some parts of the country are vastly different from others. There are around 300,000,000 people with different backgrounds, beliefs, and habits. I would say it's hard to group Americans together since people can be so different from each other and it is a very multicultural place. I'm American and I, along with some other people I know, have a general distaste for Western Europe although I know it is unreasonable and know that most Western Europeans are decent people. I guess it's easier to generalize people than to look at people on a case-per-case basis, but I think it's important that you keep things reasonable and recognize diversity in the world.
 
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I like to think about hatered/racism as fear. I assume that you fear them because they dominate.
I like French culture. It's a pity that american media is so pervasive. Interestingly americans exploit millions of asians to build those media.
 
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I swear, this is serious. Serious vent. I'm questioning myself and I wish I could post this on reddit but I'm afraid I'm gonna start drama. (also not finding the proper sub)

But I gotta get this out. I litterally grew to hate it. Thats just so common in my country (France). Here you see something stupid, just go 'yeah it's dumb but not as bad as America' and I swear this happens SO. MUCH
Like the other day I was at the table with my family and my bro kept talking about how America was just the idiots of Europe that settled there. It was kinda funny to hear but also crazy, imagine saying this about another country, it's racist then, but not for America it seems.

basically to us frenchies, when we hear 'this is america' we see this:


Where I live we're actually pretty fucking racist, and I'm sick of pretending otherwise. i. fucking. hate. this. picture.
What else can I say? I despise America. I despise english, even though I wanna teach it some day. I don't know if America is like the stereotypes I know in France. My sis went there and said it's true, but idk. She's racist too I guess. I think I'm pretty fucking racist then, but it's not the usual racism. I hate myself for that, but I feel like my brain is working against me.

I hate the fact that I hate this country because I don't know why.

Mods feel free to delete this, I just NEEDED to get this off my chest and i have no fking idea where to!
Sport, it it wasn't for us Americans, your people would be still under the control of my German ancestors. 😎
 
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CTB Dream

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Sep 17, 2022
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Not relal talk like this racism etc humans all same shallow out different make fight . This mental way all other influences say thing keep say thing brain copy. This not good human hate hurt make fun nothing base, human us can good can bad same all place ,this human species very fault hat attack base nothing. Human suffer all place
 
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watereyes

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Mar 27, 2020
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I like to think about hatered/racism as fear. I assume that you fear them because they dominate.
I like French culture. It's a pity that american media is so pervasive. Interestingly americans exploit millions of asians to build those media.
That's an interesting thought, but what do they dominate exactly?
As for french culture it's a real mess - hard to see what's likeable
The United States of America is a very large and complex country. Some parts of the country are vastly different from others. There are around 300,000,000 people with different backgrounds, beliefs, and habits. I would say it's hard to group Americans together since people can be so different from each other and it is a very multicultural place. I'm American and I, along with some other people I know, have a general distaste for Western Europe although I know it is unreasonable and know that most Western Europeans are decent people. I guess it's easier to generalize people than to look at people on a case-per-case basis, but I think it's important that you keep things reasonable and recognize diversity in the world.
I should know better to be honest. As a trans gal, I'm really, r e a l l y exposed to generalization, and now I realize I do the exact same thing.
 
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WhatPowerIs

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The United States of America is a very large and complex country. Some parts of the country are vastly different from others. There are around 300,000,000 people with different backgrounds, beliefs, and habits. I would say it's hard to group Americans together since people can be so different from each other and it is a very multicultural place. I'm American and I, along with some other people I know, have a general distaste for Western Europe although I know it is unreasonable and know that most Western Europeans are decent people. I guess it's easier to generalize people than to look at people on a case-per-case basis, but I think it's important that you keep things reasonable and recognize diversity in the world.
Why do you have a distaste for Western Europe?
 
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SamTam33

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Oct 9, 2022
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People are the same. It doesn't matter where you're born or what language you speak. We're all assholes.

I guarantee some of your neighbors possess the same characteristics you despise about America/Americans.

We like to think we're so different and so much better than the next group of people, but that's just our pathetic egos at play.

Look around. Are the non-Americans on this site doing any better or any worse than their American counterparts?

We're all in the same fucking boat.
 
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Dec 10, 2021
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Frogs are funny.
You folks have always been better than anybody else, haven't you?
Even French Canadians turn their nose up at the rest.

French people have a glorious history. Impeccable cuisine. A ridiculous language... and overwhelming hospitality, in my experience... wherever you've hosted me
But you've always turned your noses up.

Now, it seems your society is crumbling like everywhere else. Long gone are the days you were Pagan, or Christian. Charles "The Hammer" isn't coming back to save you from the current invasion. The hordes burn your cathedrals, monuments to the glorious history your people were once so instrumental in leading. Your once great empires' legacy is movies used to train insurrectionists the world over. Your military is the butt of jokes since the second world war... or was it the Magenot Line? It took a sawed-off Corsican to make the world take you seriously, to begin with. Now, your children talk of racism as their peers are slaughtered in nightclubs, or along avenues. Your people still can't figure out antiperspirant/deodorant. lol

What will you do?
I hope you turn your nose up.
I hope you keep trying to be better than everybody else. After all it just might work, this time. I know this- If France dies, the world will be much worse off for it.

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KuriGohan&Kamehameha

KuriGohan&Kamehameha

想死不能 - 想活不能
Nov 23, 2020
1,682
North American culture is bizzare, and I say that as someone who spent the majority of my life on that continent. Even as a child, there was something artifical and fake about it. Although I did grow up in a very poor, rural, religious area which was extremely isolated from what one would typically consider western culture. It took leaving all of that behind to see how truly backwards and toxic that environment was.

I don't think people realize it, but Americans and Canadians are very competitive, and from birth are forced to compete in a deeply entrenched system of inequality. It always blew my mind that my run down school with no textbooks, barely any subjects offered, and high rates of illiteracy, teen pregnancy, and drop outs, existed in the same country as prestigious boarding schools, academies for gifted children, and institutes where high school aged students could take university courses. It was a lifestyle that I could never fathom.

Sports are a beloved aspect of culture that also perpetuate inequality, because for some reason they are seen as more important than or on par with academics. You wouldn't believe how much money is given to rural schools in an attempt to improve children's education, only for it to go towards useless SPORTS.

In rural communities especially, sports are a huge deal. Not only did being disabled from autism deeply effect me as a child, but my chance at making friends was effectively stamped out because I could not play sports. No team would let me play because I was dyspraxic and simply not good at physical activities. The fact that I went to a bad school where most people are way behind was seen as a personal failing, because I didn't know as a child that I'd have to spend the rest of my life playing catch up for the education I didn't receive.

The resources for disadvantaged people are scarce or non existent. It is hard, if not impossible, for many people to receive disability payments, and what they do get is paltry at best. Many people I knew were forced to live in abject poverty and fully dependent on others simply because they were sick or disabled and could no longer work.

There is a pervasive disdain for disabled people in american culture due to rugged individualism. Many people believe in bullshit conspiracies about benefit fraud and go around harassing those who are less fortunate because they want to have cock measuring contests about who the "hardest, most independent" worker is.

Which brings me to another point. The work culture. I am sure in some places it isn't this way because all states provinces etc are not equal, but in many parts of the US and Canada the way workers are treated is on par with the absurd expectations placed on employees in strict Asian countries. No control over when you go to the bathroom, very few breaks, not accommodating the disabled and elderly, scheduling which leaves people overworked and pushed to the breaking point. Regulations to protect employees in many places are few or far in between and are rarely enforced.

In multiple workplaces, people with arthritis and other health conditions were forced to stand on concrete for hours, because it makes you "look more productive" than sitting down. A colleague of mine in a shop ended up having a stroke because she was overworked and kept being called lazy, all because she requested a chair to have during work. Not wanting to kill yourself over your job is seen as a character flaw, seeming productive is more important than doing work efficiently or quickly. In a minimum wage job, at 18 years old, I had a manager slagging off my appearance and not allowing me to do another role because I was autistic and he didn't like my speech issues. No one there cares about how disabled workers are treated, unless you live in a leftist paradise.

I was worked like a dog and developed chronic pain at 19 years old because of it. I now have spinal degeneration, and for what? To be paid the equivalent of 7.25 usd per hour and be abused by coworkers, customers, and managers. The amount of humiliation I faced in several different jobs was immense, I was forced to scrub toilets on my hands and knees while coworkers sat outside on their phones, smoking a pack. I was screamed at for needing toilet breaks. Fired for being sick with pneumonia and glandular fever too many days (A grand total of 5 in one year) Yet, I will always be seen as lazy to everyone I knew in that shitty country.

There is also the attitude that America is the best place in the world, and one must follow arbitrary rules because that's the way it's always been done. So many things do not change due to the stubbornness of the culture. Accommodations could easily be offered, yet people do not want to shatter their illusion of individualism and toughness, so they make others suffer simply because they had to suffer too. I remember being told before I dropped out that I would need to pay 9,000 usd per year to share a room (not a house or flat, a room) with someone sleeping 6 feet away from me, and my autism was no excuse to get out of that arrangement, because it was the University RULES that you had to live in a dormitory with rooms shares (and they leech more money from you this way.) Greed and corruption is abundant, because no standards are ever imposed to prevent against this inequality.

Education, as I mentioned, is one huge example. Not only do people get accepted into universities for their athletic qualifications and not their academic ones, getting free rides when they often aren't qualified to do their course because so much of their time has went into sports training and not school, but universities can teach whatever the hell they want and there are very few standards ensuring quality education, or making sure students are protected against discrimination.

If a professor verbally abuses you or doesn't show up to do their teaching, you can't do shit about it if they have tenure! Not to mention things like the bell curve trying to weed people out of the course to force competition. Comparatively, the education I received in the UK is day and night, because things were organised and standards were clear from the get go.

The way people treat each other is often terrible too. It's very tribalistic and partisan. People are very smug and think that everyone who doesn't bat for their team is a stupid idiot. I knew people who would cut off their friends or family if they weren't posting political shit all the time or didn't want to comment on an issue if they weren't comfortable forming an opinion on it or didn't have the necessary information to generate an informed conclusion about the matter. This childish behaviour is exhausting and uniquely american. I have never seen a person in Europe who will throw a hissy fit if you aren't making posts on facebook about current issues all day.

I do miss the food, the music, and other aspects of the culture, but overall I feel that America is a toxic place. There is a constant artifical, sanitizer veneer of niceness orbiting every social interaction, wherein many people will be saccharine to your face and then stab you in the back. It is probably a nice playground for the rich, but not the marginalised. I would rather CTB on the spot than ever live in America again.
 
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Frogs are funny.
You folks have always been better than anybody else, haven't you?
Even French Canadians turn their nose up at the rest.

French people have a glorious history. Impeccable cuisine. A ridiculous language... and overwhelming hospitality, in my experience... wherever you've hosted me
But you've always turned your noses up.

Now, it seems your society is crumbling like everywhere else. Long gone are the days you were Pagan, or Christian. Charles "The Hammer" isn't coming back to save you from the current invasion. The hordes burn your cathedrals, monuments to the glorious history your people were once so instrumental in leading. Your once great empires' legacy is movies used to train insurrectionists the world over. Your military is the butt of jokes since the second world war... or was it the Magenot Line? It took a sawed-off Corsican to make the world take you seriously, to begin with. Now, your children talk of racism as their peers are slaughtered in nightclubs, or along avenues. Your people still can't figure out antiperspirant/deodorant. lol

What will you do?
I hope you turn your nose up.
I hope you keep trying to be better than everybody else. After all it just might work, this time. I know this- If France dies, the world will be much worse off for it.

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I think I'll just quote myself as an answer:
As for french culture it's a real mess - hard to see what's likeable
 
Maudlin

Maudlin

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Dec 10, 2021
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lol

So much history. Though you're spoiled to it, the cuisine is really something.
I think you've just got a bad taste in your mouth, right now about it. Pick a sunny day, go to the coast. Check out a museum.

Eat. Get drunk on wine made in the same place, the same way for hundreds of years. Your people did that for you, OP.
Enjoy it while it lasts.
 
watereyes

watereyes

les malheurs de lizzie
Mar 27, 2020
737
lol

So much history. Though you're spoiled to it, the cuisine is really something.
I think you've just got a bad taste in your mouth, right now about it. Pick a sunny day, go to the coast. Check out a museum.

Eat. Get drunk on wine made in the same place, the same way for hundreds of years. Your people did that for you, OP.
Enjoy it while it lasts.
ewwww the cuisine, yuck. also i should mention that I live in France but was raised by a Romanian mom and Swiss father. I can't really tell who my people are going back past the 1900s
 
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Maudlin

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ewwww the cuisine, yuck. also i should mention that I live in France but was raised by a Romanian mom and Swiss father. I can't really tell who my people are going back past the 1900s
Well, that's a pretty rich heritage, too. On both sides.

If you don't mind me asking, why have you never looked into your genealogy?

*edit- no wonder all my "haughty frog" barbs fell flat, in the prior post. lol
 
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watereyes

les malheurs de lizzie
Mar 27, 2020
737
Well, that's a pretty rich heritage, too. On both sides.

If you don't mind me asking, why have you never looked into your genealogy?

*edit- no wonder all my "haughty frog" barbs fell flat, in the prior post. lol
my uncle has- extensively. He didn't find much, our ancestors were all across Europe, for example my grandfather was Spanish, and the other was Romanian, further back we were in Bulgaria
 
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my uncle has- extensively. He didn't find much, our ancestors were all across Europe, for example my grandfather was Spanish, and the other was Romanian, further back we were in Bulgaria
"Continentals" in the truest sense, all the way back. That sounds nice. Any notables throughout history, that you know of?
 

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