Why are these people so inhumane when it comes to suicide?

[OneBigBlur]

They will literally say anything to absolve themselves of guilt, things like:

I tried my best,
or my client died valuing our "therapeutic relationship",
or there was nothing more that I could do

I think this is such an important reminder, especially because so many of us hold ourselves responsible for knowing what's ~really ~ going on with our clients. We only ever know what they tell us, regardless of how well we can guess or intuit or probe.

These assholes don't know what's going on with their clients because they threaten you with the psych ward constantly and treat you like a goddamn science experiment. They expect honesty and trust but the shit that comes from their own mouth is anything but those things. The more I read, the angrier I get at how ignorant they are and how easy it is for them to convince themselves that they made any kind of real difference in their "clients" lives. Horrible, heartless people.

 

[WhyIsLife56]

Some of them seem to blame the ones that committed suicide.
For the most part, I don't feel much emotion coming from the comments. It's just surprise or no guilt.

 

[R_N]

Not to mention how many people commit suicide because of the damage caused by psych meds.

 

[Severen]

Well think about what kind of people, are willing to be a therapist for a living in the first place... It's all bullshit pseudo science shit. For example, therapy would make people's lives worse if these people are the type of people who do not enjoy talking to strangers... So how does putting people in horrible situations, improve people's lives? Yet they think, they can help everyone? Clearly, they are masters of mental gymnastics or people capable of lying nonstop without guilt. Everyone I know who thinks it is a solution for everyone who has issues is a moron. Because their words can not conjure up any cures or treatments for their clients. And it would take a lot of effort to actually change someone's life for the better, if even possible. Some people's lives CAN NEVER BE CHANGED. Some people are doomed. It's their destiny. For example, if the source of someone's problems is their genetics, WTF you going to do? Talk to them until their genetics change? Put them in a psych ward until their genetics change? If therapy helped someone...then that someone just needed to talk, that's it... For a lot of people, that ship sailed away, a long time ago... No, this is not defeatism, this is reality. It doesn't take a genius to figure out, a struggle would be pointless. When you've fought to the bitter end, therapy is not some magical way to change your reality. So as a therapist, WTF would I say to someone like that? Sorry, but you are fucked. Obviously, I would not make a lot of money as a therapist. Because a lot of people are simply fucked.

 

[FohPah]

These assholes don't know what's going on with their clients because they threaten you with the psych ward constantly and treat you like a goddamn science experiment. They expect honesty and trust but the shit that comes from their own mouth is anything but those things. The more I read, the angrier I get at how ignorant they are and how easy it is for them to convince themselves that they made any kind of real difference in their "clients" lives. Horrible, heartless people.

Go out and get a license, take on a few clients, and report back to us what it was like.

 

[WhyIsLife56]

Go out and get a license, take on a few clients, and report back to us what it was like.

Why?

 

[OneBigBlur]

Go out and get a license, take on a few clients, and report back to us what it was like.

I know what it's like, they value their money and their job over treating someone like a equal. It's always the same inhumane scripted dialogue, "and how does that make you feel?", and "what can you do to make that better?" and "you have worth" and "are you suicidal?". Here, try one of these therapies that are proven not to work but we'll shove them down your throat anyways because our pseudoscience claims that it works. The conversations are one sided, the opinions are one sided, and they will claim that they "care" but none of them would lift a finger. At best they show some concern, that's it. If someone started crying and wailing in there they'd sit there like a lifeless robot because of their fucked up sense of ethics. They have to follow their religious textbook after all that tells them it's moral to imprison people for being suicidal, it's moral to label people with a mental illness for normal behaviors and emotions, it's normal not to show emotion or affection, etc.

 

[FohPah]

Why?

Because the rest of us would learn more from someone who has experience doing the actual work than we could ever learn from the vitriolic rants of some random internet person who isn't giving us any new information.

 

[WhyIsLife56]

Because the rest of us would learn more from someone who has experience doing the actual work than we could ever learn from the vitriolic rants of some random internet person who isn't giving us any new information.

Why don't you go get a license and you tell us

 

[NitriteAnatomy]

 

[OneBigBlur]

Because the rest of us would learn more from someone who has experience doing the actual work than we could ever learn from the vitriolic rants of some random internet person who isn't giving us any new information.

What work? What to do these people actually do but give you generic advice, empty platitudes, and scripted dialogue? They don't have some special insight about the human mind, most of them don't even have any insight about real suffering. Everyone here can google "coping methods" and talking to someone that doesn't actually care is not helpful, it's a reminder that no one gives a shit even if you pay them, it's fucking heartbreaking.

 

[NitriteAnatomy]

Majority of therapists only want a paycheck, the only thing they care about is how many $$$ signs they have. We're treated like a product, not people. Back in the day, if you so much as sniffle the wrong way, they'd toss you into an asylum, instead of actually trying to help. They'd torture, rape and experiment on people like us and say that it's 'because they care'. If it looks like bullshit and smells like bullshit, must be a saviour, I guess.

 

[Foresight]

What exactly do you want a therapist to do? You want them to purchase your N? You want them to change our entire society? Most of us are struggling from crushing external forces that a therapist cannot change. If you have some internal demons that might be aided by an outside perspective a therapist can be of service. They're not super heroes and they cant change your life. Only you can change your internal dialogue. They're just an aide. There is nothing they can do for some of us here. They help people who are stumbling a little.

I've had a few bad experiences with pill pushing psychiatrists. I work in pharmacy and I know the pharmaceutical side of medicine can be messy. Your average therapist or social worker tends to be earnest though. It's a booster for those who are able to be boosted.

The majority sure as fuck are not in it for money. It is a profession though. You need to expect professionalism in your interactions.

 

[WhyIsLife56]

What exactly do you want a therapist to do? You want them to purchase your N? You want them to change our entire society? Most of us are struggling from crushing external forces that a therapist cannot change. If you have some internal demons that might be aided by an outside perspective a therapist can be of service. They're not super heroes and they cant change your life. Only you can change your internal dialogue. They're just an aide. There is nothing they can do for some of us here. They help people who are stumbling a little.

I've had a few bad experiences with pill pushing psychiatrists. I work in pharmacy and I know the pharmaceutical side of medicine can be messy. Your average therapist or social worker tends to be earnest though. It's a booster for those who are able to be boosted.

The majority sure as fuck are not in it for money. It is a profession though. You need to expect professionalism in your interactions.

If you have an inkling of what it means and feels to suffer at all, no amount of degree or job is going to help anyone. Especially since the meaning of getting a job, the whole purpose of getting any kind of job is to earn money not help someone.

 

[NitriteAnatomy]

 

[MeltingHeart]

So many rants about therapists- Just dont go to one then!! If they are ALL so evil, they can only do so much, they can just provide talking therapy, they cant work miracles. Therapy helps 1000's of people around the every day- I know SO many people who have benefitted from it. But half the work has to be done by the client- if anyone goes in with this kind of attitude -its NEVER gonna work.

What exactly do you want a therapist to do? You want them to purchase your N? You want them to change our entire society? Most of us are struggling from crushing external forces that a therapist cannot change. If you have some internal demons that might be aided by an outside perspective a therapist can be of service. They're not super heroes and they cant change your life. Only you can change your internal dialogue. They're just an aide. There is nothing they can do for some of us here. They help people who are stumbling a little.

I've had a few bad experiences with pill pushing psychiatrists. I work in pharmacy and I know the pharmaceutical side of medicine can be messy. Your average therapist or social worker tends to be earnest though. It's a booster for those who are able to be boosted.

The majority sure as fuck are not in it for money. It is a profession though. You need to expect professionalism in your interactions.

finally some perspective! well done

 

[WhyIsLife56]

There's a really famous saying 'At the end of the day, only you can save yourself.'

 

[MeltingHeart]

If you have an inkling of what it means and feels to suffer at all, no amount of degree or job is going to help anyone. Especially since the meaning of getting a job, the whole purpose of getting any kind of job is to earn money not help someone.

huh, that doesnt even relate to what she said? can they not do that profession unless that have suffered too?

 

[OneBigBlur]

What exactly do you want a therapist to do? You want them to purchase your N? You want them to change our entire society? Most of us are struggling from crushing external forces that a therapist cannot change. If you have some internal demons that might be aided by an outside perspective a therapist can be of service. They're not super heroes and they cant change your life. Only you can change your internal dialogue. They're just an aide. There is nothing they can do for some of us here. They help people who are stumbling a little.

I've had a few bad experiences with pill pushing psychiatrists. I work in pharmacy and I know the pharmaceutical side of medicine can be messy. Your average therapist or social worker tends to be earnest though. It's a booster for those who are able to be boosted.

The majority sure as fuck are not in it for money. It is a profession though. You need to expect professionalism in your interactions.

I expect them to treat me like a human being and a equal, not a mentally ill individual that needs to be locked up if I say the "wrong" thing. A lot of peoples lives on here are fucked up for all kinds of reasons and most of them need someone to care about them. You tell these people all kinds of horrible and soulcrushing things but they don't even bat an eyelid because "ethics". Most of them would never talk to you on a personal level and most would never take time out of their day to listen if they weren't being paid for it. They are in it for the money and their superficial caring shows as much.

 

[MeltingHeart]

There's a really famous saying 'At the end of the day, only you can save yourself.'

now this i would agree with.

 

[FohPah]

Why don't you go get a license and you tell us

Until I do, you won't see me making any bold claims about what it's like to be a therapist or about what their methods are based on.

The worst thing is to be convinced that your mere belief is real knowledge. It prevents you from seeing when you're wrong. It prevents you from learning.

I still regard therapy with skepticism. Skepticism not as in "I refuse to believe anything" but rather "I'm critically examining this instead of taking it at face value."

For example, I've chosen to err on the side of caution and not take any serotonin, dopamine, or norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors because I haven't seen conclusive enough science about how they work, while I have seen strong concerns about them causing permanent side effects and dependency.

 

[MeltingHeart]

I expect them to treat me like a human being and a equal, not a mentally ill individual that needs to be locked up if I say the "wrong" thing. A lot of peoples lives on here are fucked up for all kinds of reasons and most of them need someone to care about them. You tell these people all kinds of horrible and soulcrushing things but they don't even bat an eyelid because "ethics". Most of them would never talk to you on a personal level and most would never take time out of their day to listen if they weren't being paid for it. They are in it for the money and their superficial caring shows as much.

how personal do you want them to get? hang out with u in the park? they cant get too emotionally involved-imagine how many people they see!! how draining that is- they have to maintain a certain amount of professional detachment both for themselves and for the sake of the client ( so they too dont over rely & form too close a bond). And its nonsense that they 'lock you up' for saying the wrong thing! If you say ive got a rope at home- and when i get back after this appointment i think i might hang myself-what do you want them to say & do??!! You ARE allowed to discuss suicidal ideation- as long as you dont express that you have the direct means & a plan!! if so it is in their remit to protect you from yourself at that time.

 

[NitriteAnatomy]

Yes, because the system never fails anyone and they never look down on those suffering from any form of mental illness. I'm sure there's not been any mentally ill individuals that have been treated like animals, over the decades, or riddled with prescriptions instead of being helped find answers to their underlying problems. Nope, not at all. Case is cracked, OP, may as well go home and sign another check to the therapists, they're people too, even if we're not seen that way half the time.

 

[WhyIsLife56]

Until I do, you won't see me making any bold claims about what it's like to be a therapist or about what their methods are based on.

The worst thing is to be convinced that your mere belief is real knowledge. It prevents you from seeing when you're wrong. It prevents you from learning.

I still regard therapy with skepticism. Skepticism not as in "I refuse to believe anything" but rather "I'm critically examining this instead of taking it at face value."

Instead of telling someone else to get a license, you should try it first. No ones going to go and get a license just cause you said to.
And I have been to a mental hospital actually. I was forced to. My ex college roommate dragged me into it. The therapist there was all superficial and never showed much emotion at all.
It's just money. That's all they care about.

 

[OneBigBlur]

now this i would agree with.

People can only save themselves if they have the right circumstances. Everyone tries the hardest that they can with the hand that they were dealt and more often than not it isn't enough, especially for trauma survivors. I don't expect anyone to "save" me, I stopped believing that when I was a child. What people need is someone to care about them and make an effort on their behalf. It's other people that absolve themselves of responsibility because it's easier and more convenient for them to believe that someone can only help themselves instead of actually making a real effort to help that person.

 

[Foresight]

I expect them to treat me like a human being and a equal, not a mentally ill individual that needs to be locked up if I say the "wrong" thing. A lot of peoples lives on here are fucked up for all kinds of reasons and most of them need someone to care about them. You tell these people all kinds of horrible and soulcrushing things but they don't even bat an eyelid because "ethics". Most of them would never talk to you on a personal level and most would never take time out of their day to listen if they weren't being paid for it. They are in it for the money and their superficial caring shows as much.

What happened? Seriously. We're here to listen if you care to share. What did a therapist do that really made you feel so low about it?

The doctor who saved my mother after a stroke would never spend time with her after work. That doesn't mean he didn't save her life while on the clock. The surgeon I've been working with wouldn't be caught dead with me outside, but he respects me as a client and tries to help my situation dutifully. You dont go to a medical professional for a personal friend.

Where are they locking people up in 2019 in the US for simply stating I'm suicidal? I have two major suicide attempts and countless therapy sessions letting it be known I'm suicidal over the years. That's with multiple professionals. I got 72 hours at most after the ER visit for aggressive attempts. If you're dead set on your choice then dont go to them. Maybe you're from a harsher system, I wont pretend to know what you've been through.

 

[MeltingHeart]

People can only save themselves if they have the right circumstances. Everyone tries the hardest that they can with the hand that they were dealt and more often than not it isn't enough, especially for trauma survivors. I don't expect anyone to "save" me, I stopped believing that when I was a child. What people need is someone to care about them and make an effort on their behalf. It's other people that absolve themselves of responsibility because it's easier and more convenient for them to believe that someone can only help themselves instead of actually making a real effort to help that person.

Well according to this forum ALL therapists are the scum of the earth & dont help, ALL meds are damaging (of course i know many are!) & only about money/ Corruption & big Pharma, ALL psychiatry is flawed. So lets shoot all therapists, throw out every single book on psychiatry & mental illness & re-invent an entire new system of therapeutic or medical treatment for trauma/ mental illness from scratch- it may take some time though....

 

[WhyIsLife56]

Therapists and therapy isn't going to help much despite what you think.
What I meant when I said that only you can save yourself is that you can't expect therapists to save you.
R

Well according to this forum ALL therapists are the scum of the earth & dont help, ALL meds are damaging (of course i know many are!) & only about money/ Corruption & big Pharma, ALL psychiatry is flawed. So lets shoot all therapists, throw out every single book on psychiatry & mental illness & re-invent an entire new system of therapeutic or medical treatment for trauma/ mental illness from scratch- it may take some time though....

Trauma doesn't go away that easily. Some people live their whole entire lives with trauma.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Yes, because the system never fails anyone and they never look down on those suffering from any form of mental illness. I'm sure there's not been any mentally ill individuals that have been treated like animals, over the decades, or riddled with prescriptions instead of being helped find answers to their underlying problems. Nope, not at all. Case is cracked, OP, may as well go home and sign another check to the therapists, they're people too, even if we're not seen that way half the time.

Ok so if all these presciptions are so bad ( i do agree that many times they are damaging & not the only answer) so people want help finding answers to their underlying problems- but if they hateand slag of ALL therapists & literally dont trust them from the start, how would it work? Do you think all therapists in the world need to be re-trained, or fire them all, re-train people from scratch in a whole new system, Oh and maybe not pay them at all to do there job-because atleast then people cant accuse them of only doing for the money?!

 

[Severen]

Until I do, you won't see me making any bold claims about what it's like to be a therapist or about what their methods are based on.

The worst thing is to be convinced that your mere belief is real knowledge. It prevents you from seeing when you're wrong. It prevents you from learning.

I still regard therapy with skepticism. Skepticism not as in "I refuse to believe anything" but rather "I'm critically examining this instead of taking it at face value."

For example, I've chosen to err on the side of caution and not take any serotonin, dopamine, or norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors because I haven't seen conclusive enough science about how they work, while I have seen strong concerns about them causing permanent side effects and dependency.

So basically, it makes no sense for me to make any bold claims about Christians until I first become a preacher of a Christian church? It's possible to gain knowledge that can reveal to you what kind of people you are dealing with without knowing everything there is to know about them. No, I don't think someone who has never been a therapist should write a book about therapists. But you can make bold claims about them as long as you aren't claiming to know everything about their lives. Perhaps they have secret meetings and make fun of their clients...I have no idea...