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I'm not American and don't follow politics, but does this guy bring some good advice, or his he way off base? Just thought I'd share this in hopes that it may calm some impulsive members down a bit.

 
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Oh, I have things written down. And you DON'T WANNA know what that is
 
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I'm not American and don't follow politics, but does this guy bring some good advice, or his he way off base? Just thought I'd share this in hopes that it may calm some impulsive members down a bit.


I appreciate the attempt but all you're gonna get is the people who need the advice the most telling you to educate yourself tbh.
 
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Most transsexuals don't even want to be be known as such, yet you have leftists trying to increase trans "visibility", which is the dumbest thing you could do.
How exactly? Trans people were already being long killed off and discriminated against before increased trans visibility. At the very least, exposure to trans people does aid in allowing some to grow up to be more tolerant of trans people and can make it easier to spread awareness of trans issues. Who are you to act as the spokesperson for an entire community of people? I have seen transpeople who have talked about wanting there to be more trans visibility, so I don't know why you are making sweeping generalizations about what that community wants.

This is the issue with centrists. You pretend as though everything is a "both sides are bad" thing when it isn't. One side advocates for oppression and discrimination, the other side doesn't. How are even going to be a centrist when you are an American anyway? You guys don't even have an actual left-leaning party. Just a far-right party and a party that is closer to centre right.
 
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Not going to happen, fear mongering by the left obviously

Kamala would have fucked the country even harder than biden. Everyone was saying the same thing last election and look what happened LMAO

These political posts won't stop anytime soon, I'm sure 75% or more of this community are HARD left and will continue to bitch about politics.
No. The economy, by all metrics, has been doing really well. Trump is going to take credit for it, just like he took credit for Obama's economy. Meanwhile, Trump is going to put tariffs on everything which will only raise prices inside the US as foreign goods will be more expensive - and will lead to us falling behind as the #1 trade economy. We were also the largest exporter of energy under Biden - more-so than Trump. I am a statistician who works on the Economic Census - you are not going to gaslight me about the economy. Also, I am going to lose my job because DTJ wants to completely cut DOC. Oh... and I won't get healthcare either and might have to flee from deranged mouth breathers who call me a pedophile merely for my gender identity.

You just voted away your future right to vote - as the SC has ruled that Trump has absolute immunity. Good job, brick-head.
 
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No. The economy, by all metrics, has been doing really well. Trump is going to take credit for it, just like he took credit for Obama's economy. Meanwhile, Trump is going to put tariffs on everything which will only raise prices inside the US as foreign goods will be more expensive - and will lead to us falling behind as the #1 trade economy. We were also the largest exporter of energy under Biden - more-so than Trump. I am a statistician who works on the Economic Census - you are not going to gaslight me about the economy. Also, I am going to lose my job because DTJ wants to completely cut DOC. Oh... and I won't get healthcare either and might have to flee from deranged mouth breathers who call me a pedophile merely for my gender identity.

You just voted away your future right to vote - as the SC has ruled that Trump has absolute immunity. Good job, brick-head.
So I'm assuming you're part of the lgbt community. Makes sense why you feel this way
 
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Think it's worth mentioning a reminder that would (I'm sure.) be appreciated, is if future politically based threads stay compartmentalized to the Politics section as it will easily add up and eat away at the Suicide and Offtopic sections. I mean there's good reason(s) that they were made seperate right? fwiw
 
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So I'm assuming you're part of the lgbt community. Makes sense why you feel this way
I am just speaking objectively. Yes I am part of the LGBT community, but everything I said is true regardless of what my identity is. I wonder why you would vote for someone like that if it makes sense to you. Maybe you just hate us.
 
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How exactly? Trans people were already being long killed off and discriminated against before increased trans visibility.
Because most transsexuals are dysphoric, and don't like being reminded that they are trans. Thats why you have many who want to live "stealth" with no one knowing they are trans, but that is increasingly difficult as media coverage makes it much easier for normal people to detect us. It's at the point where cis people are getting misgendered and accused of being transgender.
At the very least, exposure to trans people does aid in allowing some to grow up to be more tolerant of trans people and can make it easier to spread awareness of trans issues. Who are you to act as the spokesperson for an entire community of people? I have seen transpeople who have talked about wanting there to be more trans visibility, so I don't know why you are making sweeping generalizations about what that community wants.
Well I won't pretend that the whole community wants one thing, but there seems to be two types. One that wants to be "out and proud" and one that wants to transition and never be reminded that they were born as trans ever again. All of this added coverage on trans people has made it astronomically harder for the latter. As transphobes are more easily able to decipher who is and isn't trans due to increased exposure. Even allies and liberals still tend to treat transsexuals in ways that are dysphoria inducing, such as asking for sex assigned at birth or calling people AMABs and AFABs as a euphemism for man and woman.

The feelings of transsexuals with dysphoria have been ignored by the media, who stigmatized the word transsexual in favor of transgender, when only the former accurately describes how we feel about our bodies. The media continues to put words in out mouth and make us unrelatable to most people.
This is the issue with centrists. You pretend as though everything is a "both sides are bad" thing when it isn't. One side advocates for oppression and discrimination, the other side doesn't. How are even going to be a centrist when you are an American anyway? You guys don't even have an actual left-leaning party. Just a far-right party and a party that is closer to centre right.
Did you miss where I said that Donald Trump and his administration is way way worse in this case? Its not even close.

The problem I have with liberals ts that they are very tone deaf and don't seem to understand how they sound to people growing up in rural areas.

The constant antagonizating of people who are men/straight/cisgender/european as evil doesn't help anyone, and I say that as someone who is none of those things.
 
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CHINASKI'S HOT OFF THE PRESS US ELECTION TAKE YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR:

liberals should maybe be nicer to those to their left than they are to those to their right, repeat to fade
 
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This is the issue with centrists. You pretend as though everything is a "both sides are bad" thing when it isn't. One side advocates for oppression and discrimination, the other side doesn't. How are even going to be a centrist when you are an American anyway? You guys don't even have an actual left-leaning party. Just a far-right party and a party that is closer to centre right.
XD

One side does literally nothing and it's terrible at executing their ideas. It's not that 2020 wasn't a new low for rhe US, it's actively ignored because the whole narrative doesn't make sense otherwise.

How is that better? There can only be support to your super-obviously more heroic side but when they do shit it's OK? Centrists bad, but passive or useless politicians are better? Lol!

Nothing here makes any sense. Why is it so damn hard to understand people have opinions and there are literally sides in life, and there is useless people on all parties? You used to talk about people who call others "normies" and "NPCs" yet you have the same weird sense of moral superiority. People who use "centrism" as an insult or criticism are equally full of themselves. Yes, trans rights matter, but the Dems aren't champions of your cause. It only dismisses legitimate criticism of how bad the scene is. In my opinion, it doesn't help your side at all.
 
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Why is it so damn hard to understand people have opinions and there are literally sides in life
It becomes a problem when people's opinions turn into realities that infringe upon other people's fundamental human rights.
 
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It becomes a problem when people's opinions turn into realities that infringe upon other people's fundamental human rights.
Completely ignoring the point, that being if things clearly weren't good before Trump then you also have them to blame. There being sides doesn't mean one is more right, both can have very bad problems in different ways.
 
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Completely ignoring the point, that being if things clearly weren't good before Trump then you also have them to blame. There being sides doesn't mean one is more right, both can have very bad problems in different ways.
Are you saying that it's acceptable for one "side" to infringe upon the fundamental human rights of the other?

Are you saying that Donald Trump and Kamala Harris are one in the same with regard to issues like trans rights and abortion -- that she too was promising to implement regressive legislation and policies that go against the United Nations' stance on human rights, and that marginalized groups would have been facing an equal amount of oppression and harm under a Kamala Harris administration as they are now facing with Donald Trump incoming for a second term?
 
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I don't think most right-wingers here and out in the world get it. It's not Donald himself that triggers people. It's what he represents and who his followers are.

All you have to do is go on twitter, which I would highly discourage, to see how incredibly awful so many of these right-wing people are. And it doesn't stop on the internet, it's the people he surrounds himself with.

Half the political candidates he endorses think and say out loud that abortions are the reason for hurricanes. They're going to dive deep into Christian Nationalism.

It's just sad that half the country bought into the hate.
 
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Are you saying that it's acceptable for one "side" to infringe upon the fundamental human rights of the other?
Do you really think any response is trying to justify hate?

Wtf, no. I'm saying if they fail to act against that situation, then how can they say they're a solution to anything.
Are you saying that Donald Trump and Kamala Harris are one in the same with regard to issues like trans rights and abortion -- that she too was promising to implement regressive legislation and policies that go against the United Nations' stance on human rights, and that marginalized groups would have been facing an equal amount of oppression and harm under a Kamala Harris administration as they are now facing with Donald Trump incoming for a second term?
Neither did I say they are exactly the same. I said they are both bad, each for different reasons.

Criticism about one side ≠ supporting the other one.

Think if you like your ideas, constructive criticism can help them improve. I'm pointing flaws I think there are with the Democrats not because I hate the gays, but because I want it to be used to improve the flaws of the party. And I find concerning how acritical people are with their party and instead fight for it almost to the death.

The fact you seriously believe I justify hate because I don't like the Dems is a problem.
 
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Are you saying that it's acceptable for one "side" to infringe upon the fundamental human rights of the other?

Are you saying that Donald Trump and Kamala Harris are one in the same with regard to issues like trans rights and abortion -- that she too was promising to implement regressive legislation and policies that go against the United Nations' stance on human rights, and that marginalized groups would have been facing an equal amount of oppression and harm under a Kamala Harris administration as they are now facing with Donald Trump incoming for a second term?
I'm loth to lecture people who actually *live in America* about their own politics so I'll keep a great deal at bay here but the reality is if you care enough about trans rights and abortion you're going to have to do more than vote once every four years and pray for a corporate liberal shill to save you. An election is not politics as a whole, it's something you do in between, and the dems spent ten years stifling anything to the left inorder to deliver two Trump administrations sandwiched between that of a puppeteered senile paedophile.

The problems you guys face are not that different to those faced in the UK right now despite the appearance of a "centrist" parliamentary majority who, as liberals do, govern very far to the right because their principle constituency is the commentariat and wealthy donors. As a smarter man than me once said, there is no final victory, there is no final defeat, so toughen up. Bloody toughen up.
 
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Reddit isn't even that pro-trans outside of a few "left" leaning subs. What is "Pro trans" anyway? Treating transsexuals like normal humans that aren't freaks? Unfortunately when you have privilege, equality feels like oppression.

Like others have said, LGBT are more likely to be on this forum so I don't think you will find many Trump fans here or even people who want to take a "both sides" approach. Hell, I'm centerist who thinks democrats are annoying, but even I know he's gone way too far.

Unfortunately, liberals and democrats, being the well-intentioned idiots that they are, have ruined any chance for transsexuals to be seen as normal humans and not some new "woke" concept, because they want to use minorities as political pawns and now it's backfiring for everyone. Most transsexuals don't even want to be be known as such, yet you have leftists trying to increase trans "visibility", which is the dumbest thing you could do.

I literally just explained to you what overly pro-trans means. It means that you can't have any view besides "transpeople are heckin valid and 100% the same as cis in every way" without being censored or banned. I don't misgender people and I don't believe you should tell an adult person what they can do with their body. If they want to get surgeries, get hormone therapy and change their name that should be a basic human right just as killing yourself should be a basic human right.

But having views that are like transwomen have a right to exist and shouldn't be hurt or killed, however that doesn't mean they are exactly the same as a ciswoman and ciswomen also deserve protection of our rights that are defined by our sex should also be considered, I gave an example with the esports thing. It was not a LEFT leaning sub, I got permabanned from one of the biggest gaming subs on the site and then also warned for the whole site for being transphobic. Lol? All I said was I don't think it's fair that transwomen are competing against ciswomen in esports, unless we see studies that all male brain advantages (such as faster reaction speed) are completely overriden by hormones. I didn't say slurs, I didn't misgender anyone, I didn't say transwomen don't deserve rights and health. I literally just said I don't think it's fair in high level competition without medical proof there is total equality through hormones.

I mean if anything transpeople were seen more as human before it got (and I hate using that word) "too woke" and crazy for most people. Transpeople always existed anyway. Trump has never been involved with its creation and he has already disavowed Project 2025. We will see who's wrong or right in the future, I do hope you guys are wrong though and none of these scary ideas will come to fruition. Based on this guy already having been in power for 4 years and hardly anything happening in that time I'm optimistic.
 
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I'm loth to lecture people who actually *live in America* about their own politics so I'll keep a great deal at bay here but the reality is if you care enough about trans rights and abortion you're going to have to do more than vote once every four years and pray for a corporate liberal shill to save you. An election is not politics as a whole, it's something you do in between, and the dems spent ten years stifling anything to the left inorder to deliver two Trump administrations sandwiched between that of a puppeteered senile paedophile.

The problems you guys face are not that different to those faced in the UK right now despite the appearance of a "centrist" parliamentary majority who, as liberals do, govern very far to the right because their principle constituency is the commentariat and wealthy donors. As a smarter man than me once said, there is no final victory, there is no final defeat, so toughen up. Bloody toughen up.
I completely agree with everything you said here, I couldn't put in into the right words but this so much. An election is not the end of everything and people need to understand this huge breakdowns to the point posts had to be made begging people to, please, stop killing themselves solely over results (apologists then changed it into it being "the final straw", doesn't make it any less unhealthy), affects them, and no one else than them, over something that isn't fucking true.

Then anyone who dares to speak about it is "part of the problem" or an ignorant slut because it's much better to drown in doomerism, right? It isn't like it really wasn't the end of their rights and Kamala has the definitive solution!

BTW - Biden was one of the worst presidents there were in American history, but if you don't suspect there's something severely wrong with a party who decides this was their best candidate, probably nothing will.
 
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Do you really think any response is trying to justify hate?
The fact you seriously believe I justify hate because I don't like the Dems is a problem.
I understand you're feeling under fire for being in a minority here. If you are feeling personally attacked by something I've said, I want to be clear: I am addressing the issues without attaching judgement.

The question concerns trans rights and bodily autonomy -- two human rights issues threatened by an incoming Donald Trump administration.

For instance, it confuses me as to how it's possible for somebody to genuinely support trans rights while simultaneously supporting a Donald Trump. I mean, Trump got 12% of the LGBTQ vote, which I'm guessing includes many trans people, so it's apparently possible.

Criticism about one side ≠ supporting the other one.
This works both ways. The Democratic Party is riddled with flaws, and they disgust me. But I am disgusted more so by a Republican Party that chooses a Donald Trump as its leader.

Even if Kamala Harris came into office and did absolutely nothing for trans rights and women's rights to bodily autonomy -- just maintained the status quo -- is that not still "less bad" than if Donald Trump is to come in and regress existing policies?

I'm loth to lecture people who actually *live in America* about their own politics
I am wholeheartedly on board with everything you just said. But of ^this specifically, American politics are of worldwide concern, and I think you would be very much justified in chiming in, especially since you'd prompt people to think deeper about it and likely add a much-needed balance to all the emotion.
 
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CHINASKI'S HOT OFF THE PRESS US ELECTION TAKE YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR:

liberals should maybe be nicer to those to their left than they are to those to their right, repeat to fade
i'm never trusting liberals again after this election, that's for damn sure.

were the bernie or bust people right after all?
 
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I literally just explained to you what overly pro-trans means. It means that you can't have any view besides "transpeople are heckin valid and 100% the same as cis in every way" without being censored or banned.
Well, something isn't adding up here. What's so bad about saying trans people are "hecking" valid? Who is saying they are the exact same a cis? Most transsexuals want to be treated the same as cis, and that is probably what they mean.

however that doesn't mean they are exactly the same as a ciswoman and ciswomen also deserve protection of our rights that are defined by our sex should also be considered,
There it is. This whole "sex-based rights" talking point, which only serves to ghettoize transsexuals into a thrid gender catagory. Next you will be saying Sex assigned at birth needs to be on the license, and that transsexual women need to use the men's room and go to male prisons due to biological differences.
I gave an example with the esports thing. It was not a LEFT leaning sub, I got permabanned from one of the biggest gaming subs on the site and then also warned for the whole site for being transphobic. Lol? All I said was I don't think it's fair that transwomen are competing against ciswomen in esports, unless we see studies that all male brain advantages (such as faster reaction speed) are completely overriden by hormones. I didn't say slurs, I didn't misgender anyone, I didn't say transwomen don't deserve rights and health. I literally just said I don't think it's fair in high level competition without medical proof there is total equality through hormones.
I actually do think MtFs should not be involved with pro-sports if transitioning after puberty. as there is an considerable advantage even after hrt, though not as much as the conservatives want you to think. The far left has again sabotaged the movement by trying to get us into sports rather than focusing on basic rights. They always got to push things too far.

However your whole talking point about this "faster reaction speed in the male brain" is the oddest thing I have ever heard on this subject, especially since the sex characteristics of transsexual brains are usually a mosaic which complicates it further.
I mean if anything transpeople were seen more as human before it got (and I hate using that word) "too woke" and crazy for most people. Transpeople always existed anyway.
yes, that's what I have been saying. Because transsexuals don't like being defined by their transsexual nature due to the mechnics of gender dysphoria.

Trump has never been involved with its creation and he has already disavowed Project 2025. We will see who's wrong or right in the future, I do hope you guys are wrong though and none of these scary ideas will come to fruition. Based on this guy already having been in power for 4 years and hardly anything happening in that time I'm optimistic.
You are incorrect. Project 2025 was created by people within his administration and who are close to Trump. Agenda 47, which Trump wrote, also singles out trans people and the two documents have a strong overlap in their objectives. Trump also thinks trans people are a new phenomenon that has "never existed in all of humn history". Project 2025 is already in action and Roe v Wade was just the first part of this takeover.
 
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Can someone please explain to me why all these people who don't live in the US, or even N. America even care. I know I don't give a shit who the PM of some random European country is, or what their policies are.

Please worry about and fix the problems in your own countries and let us worry about what happens here.
 
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yes, that's what I have been saying. Because transsexuals don't like being defined by their transsexual nature due to the mechnics of gender dysphoria.

You are incorrect. Project 2025 was created by people within his administration and who are close to Trump. Agenda 47, which Trump wrote, also singles out trans people and the two documents have a strong overlap in their objectives. Trump also thinks trans people are a new phenomenon that has "never existed in all of humn history". Project 2025 is already in action and Roe v Wade was just the first part of this takeover.

So what is your point? Do females not have the right to their own rights and spaces? Is that supposed to be ignored or brushed off in favor of transpeople? Are transwomen more important women? If I as a woman feel uncomfortable with someone who was born male in a private space or identifying with me a 100% even though never undergoing very female specific issues (female childhood and issues and experiences directly related to my inner organs) then I am immediately a transphobic nazi monster and need to be witch-hunted or censored?

Personally I see a middle ground where people should be allowed to transition and live in safety and with respect but also not being able to completely walk over females and have society pretend they are exactly the same circumstance in every way. But even the middle ground is enough to get banned or cancelled in a lot of online spaces in 2024.

Trump has publicly denounced Project 2025 and little of it would actually stand a chance of passing in the house and senate.
I'm not worried about it. But if you are what do you suggest people are supposed to do about it? Kill themselves and lose their mind? Hopefully not.
 
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If you missed that capitalism is very much the problem then u don't understand shit. Like do u actually think there's been an absence of capitalism?? lol. We're actually at the point of late stage capitalism and this shit is not sustainable.

Those who think Trump and Republicans are going to improve their lives economically are fools. True that Dems have sold out and are indeed problematic. But the inequity of today has roots back to Thatcher/Reaganomics/neoliberalism. Republicans have always favored big business, corporations, banks and the wealthy. Always about deregulation which has hurt consumers and helped consolidation. When there is consolidation there is monopolistic behavior, high prices and less choice. At least the Dem appointed FTC head has taken on Google and sued to block the $25 billion Kroger supermarket merger to protect food prices/security. Watch as the Repubs replace the FTC head with a pro-business friendly one. Enjoy more high food prices!

When Texas and Florida outlawed water breaks for workers working outside in the deadly heat, they proudly claim to be pro-business. That's basically Republicans for you. They are the epitome of pro-wageslaving and could care less if workers are abused and exploited. You think Trump and Republicans want you to have living wages, or affordable health care? lol. It's always been an amazing thing to see conservative voters vote against themselves and fall for shit like tax cuts for the wealthiest somehow being beneficial for themselves. Fall for the great job-creator myth when America outsourced jobs and production, but wall st and corporations share prices rose. Fall for fighting unions even though unions aim to protect workers from being abused, exploited and push for higher wages.

Republicans will provide you with hate, racism, and sow division as distraction because economically working people's lives will not improve and likely worsen. The problems are systemic/endemic in nature. I hope republican voters have some magical bootstraps because their party has never invested in its citizens, in infrastructure, in education, in affordable health care. Never worked to improve the lives of their own voters. Shit look at the minimum wages and poverty rates of red states.

But I think at this point all the hate is a really big draw for Trump/Republican voters.
 
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So what is your point? Do females not have the right to their own rights and spaces? Is that supposed to be ignored or brushed off in favor of transpeople? Are transwomen more important women? If I as a woman feel uncomfortable with someone who was born male in a private space or identifying with me a 100% even though never undergoing very female specific issues (female childhood and issues and experiences directly related to my inner organs) then I am immediately a transphobic nazi monster and need to be witch-hunted or censored?
See! There it is. I knew you were transphobic. But then you act suprised when not-transphobic moderators on specific subreddits decide they don't want to platform someone with your type of veiws.

I understand you probably think your views are tame and there isn't much I can do to change your mind, but the vast majority of transsexuals, even conservative ones, would consider you a transphobe. Actually, the vast majority of cisgender people are transphobic by default (to the point I won't even hold it against most people), which is why before the 2010, most of us prefered hiding in the shadows and not bothering trying to gain public acceptance and everyone was happy.

You realize transsexual MTFs have been using female spaces since the 1930 and 40s right? It has always been legal as well. It was only a problem for you conservatives as soon as you started hearing about it from the liberal media that made it sound like a new thing. Its a literal non issue but again I probably can't convince you. This will fall on deaf ears
Personally I see a middle ground where people should be allowed to transition and live in safety and with respect but also not being able to completely walk over females and have society pretend they are exactly the same circumstance in every way. But even the middle ground is enough to get banned or cancelled in a lot of online spaces in 2024.
Having the same rights isn't "walking over females". You get canceled cuz your a phobe. Cry harder.
Trump has publicly denounced Project 2025 and little of it would actually stand a chance of passing in the house and senate.
I'm not worried about it. But if you are what do you suggest people are supposed to do about it? Kill themselves and lose their mind? Hopefully not.
Politicians don't lie? This is news to me! People on his administration literally made it. Did you ignore what I said about agenda 47? Stop cherrypicking.
 
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See! There it is. I knew you were transphobic. But then you act suprised when not-transphobic moderators on specific subreddits decide they don't want to platform someone with your type of veiws.
Thanks for proving my point. I said even if you have mild or reasonable views or want to protect the right of females immediately the finger is pointed at you and the word transphobia falls. Ok, so I'm transphobic and you're misogynistic then. Is calling people terms like that satisfying to you?

Why are your rights as a transperson more important than the rights of women who are born female?
Why are we not allowed to have boundaries without it being deflected as hate?

Politicians do lie but we can see that this guy was in power for 4 years and not much happened.
Also the same argument can be used against Kamala that she's also just a liar and then what...
So what points exactly from Agenda 47 do you want to point at?
 
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