MeltingHeart

MeltingHeart

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Therapists and therapy isn't going to help much despite what you think.
What I meant when I said that only you can save yourself is that you can't expect therapists to save you.
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Trauma doesn't go away that easily. Some people live their whole entire lives with trauma.
Seems like OP thinks that therapists should be able to 'save people' but none of them are good enough or that they are all corrupt somehow.

Yes i didnt say trauma can go away easily, i suffer from it!! thats why i want to ctb (very soon)!! but im not gonna sit around and blame 'the system' for not working-even though shit loads of bad things happened to me-its not gonna make any difference now going on about shit therapists, shit doctors, evil meds- even though i have been affected by atleast two of these factors. Therapy cant help everyone (myself included) but it is highly beneficial to many people around the world every day.
 
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@MeltingHeart You already made your decision on the matter, so continuing this discussion is pointless as talking to an imaginary person on a cloud. Instead of finding a true solution, everyone is focused on band-aids. My distrust of therapists didn't stem from before I met them, it was from after witnessing how many of them don't really give a shit about the individual.
 
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MeltingHeart

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@MeltingHeart You already made your decision on the matter, so continuing this discussion is pointless as talking to an imaginary person on a cloud. Instead of finding a true solution, everyone is focused on band-aids. My distrust of therapists didn't stem from before I met them, it was from after witnessing how many of them don't really give a shit about the individual.
Yes fair enough, i know that there are alot of crappy ones out there. But also some great ones-that have helped so many people i know. I agree with the band-aid concept. Seems many people are trying to find this true solution, searching for it, but many people on here (and irl) dont really know what that solution would be for themselves or even what they feel they want or what might have helped them & i guess it would also be very different for each individual & specific circumstance, theres no single or easy answer- i wish there was.
 
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Ok so if all these presciptions are so bad ( i do agree that many times they are damaging & not the only answer) so people want help finding answers to their underlying problems- but if they hateand slag of ALL therapists & literally dont trust them from the start, how would it work? Do you think all therapists in the world need to be re-trained, or fire them all, re-train people from scratch in a whole new system, Oh and maybe not pay them at all to do there job-because atleast then people cant excuse of them of only doing for the money?!

Yes, I would retrain them to be like Thomas Szasz who was actually humane when he practiced psychiatry. There is very little of anything resembling morality and ethics in modern day psychiatry/psychology.
 
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Yes, I would retrain them to be like Thomas Szasz who was actually humane when he practiced psychiatry. There is very little of anything resembling morality and ethics in modern day psychiatry/psychology.
Ok. Well we might have to agree to disagree on this one. But I would say there where many psychiatry practises of the past that were also highly flawed so not sure it's just about "modern day". I agree many things are not great about it, I suppose I can just see both sides of the coin. I have seen many people helped by contemporary psychological/ psychiatric evaluation & treatment. But yes of course not all & agree there are times when it can most certainly be detrimental- especially the 'labels' given to people.A treatment that can help one person might do nothing for another. A therapist that someone might say is shit might work wonders for someone else. Call me devils advocate i guess.
 
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Plenty of good content on here:




The last story I read on there had a woman who was diagnosed with Schizophrenia her entire life because she heard voices, but the voices were traumatic memories from her past. It's a good thing she was force fed antipsychotics though because those clearly helped her.
 
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Plenty of good content on here:




The last story I read on there had a woman who was diagnosed with Schizophrenia her entire life because she heard voices, but the voices were traumatic memories from her past. It's a good thing she was force fed antipsychotics though because those clearly helped her.


Religious people being religious. Why? Because they know the truth. Why? Because it was revealed to them. How do they know it's the truth? Because blah blah blah said so.

 
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Religious people being religious. Why? Because they know the truth. Why? Because it was revealed to them. How do they know it's the truth? Because blah blah blah said so.



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Yes, most therapists must receive post-graduate education and certification. The education they receive is functionally like that of a priest; e.g. they are taught to view things through a very particular scope - whereas the priest is taught the lens of their particular religion, the therapist-to-be is taught the lens of contemporary psychology and its endless pathologies. Therapy in-and-of itself, is like a confessional in a church, the therapist is the priest and the patient the confessor. The patient confesses their worries and problems much like a would-be blasphemer would confess their "sins".

The sad thing is, "just put your head in the sand" is probably a pretty common response to the OPs concerns not only at mental health resources across the world, but from peers and colleagues; the patient lives in a world where being open about such things in the dehumanized, hyperindividualized public sphere typically only invites scrutiny and further alienation (likely from individuals who are just as alienated and scared as them), which increases their reliance on the therapist as much as it increases their sense of cognitive dissonance, as though they are caught between two realities in a depersonalized limbo. Of course, there's only the one reality as far as we know, but to this patient their inner world has become an enigma and its workings thoroughly mystified by an industry that portends one must go through many years of schooling and certification before they can make sense of the human mind; which is as absurd and circular claim to make as "God works in mysterious ways." - as if that explains why your toaster catching on fire this morning and the delay that caused made you miss your train commute derailing, killing everyone on board. Likewise, it is just as circular to tell someone they have a disease called "depression", which can only be treated by "trained professionals" - trained, of course, in "psychology", an invention of the human mind as much as the phrase "mental illness" with all it's implicit meanings. But the backbone of the entire practice is to be a truthclaim, much like any religion - they suppose "mental illness" to be as sacrosanct as religions hold their Gods; that is, as self-evident and infallible as a physicist would consider thermodynamics.

Perhaps it would be too radical to admit "depression" is an entirely normal reaction to a world in which one exists as a dehumanized, chronically hollowed-out wage slave whose life has been reduced to a series of empty, mindless labor and emptier consumption rituals, comforted only by addictive drugs pushed on them at every turn, and vacuous social ties of similarly hollowed out wageslaves who only know how to monologue and compete; who breathes, eats and shits microplastic, pollution and pesticides, and can't remember the last time they felt somebody actually cared if they lived or died. It'd be far too radical to admit we're living through the slow-motion collapse of the living super organism we call 'civilization' and every case of "depression" is like one little support column showing signs of giving out under the weight of a monstrosity that has become too bloated and labyrinthine for its own good. Then we'd be engaging in reality, giving the "illness" the scope it deserves, and psychology cares not for this.

The reality is, contemporary psychology functions much like a religion or a cult does, in that what one receives from it depends very much on what one puts into it - the power wielded by such organizations are directly correlate to belief of their followers. This is the power of placebo, confirmation bias, and magical thinking. If one considers their reaction to, say, climate change to be "abnormal", they merely have to walk into a therapist's office and their belief will be confirmed - their conscious experience will become a list of "symptoms" of "illness", for which they'll receive "medication". The words, the labels, the pills, they're all momentarily comforting, but none actually deal with the original problem any more than popping an Aspirin cures a raging influenza infection. That's because the entire "mental health industry" is palliative at best - worse yet, it serves at the behest of the state, which benefits massively from an industry that teaches individuals to view their life's problems through a scope that is not only decidedly apolitical but atomized as well.

Take an issue like climate change and this scope fails almost entirely - its sufficiently large-scale enough that the therapist's individualizing lens has no real answer to it. One who is trained in end-of-life therapy may have some more substantial answers that verge into decidedly philosophical territory, but most "by the book" therapists will preach willful ignorance; their role is not to create independent-thinking individuals, community leaders, politically-minded citizens or would-be revolutionaries, because they don't operate in this paradigm; an office vending machine is more communalistic than a therapist's office could ever claim to be. No, their role is to keep people complicit and complacent in the consume/work false dichotomy lifestyle for they are part of the very same paradigm, this being their work as much as preaching is a priests'. The "mental health" industry is obliged to meet the absurdity of the world it exists in and profits off of, and so existential terror becomes "eco-anxiety", another cutesy label which can be "treated" with the right combination of benzodiazepines and willful ignorance, just as a village witch doctor may have once treated "spiritual possession" with a concoction of ayahuasca and a ceremony. Now this ceremony only takes 45 minutes and $200 a week and a monthly trip to the pharmacy. Who ever said capitalism wasn't efficient?!
 
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They dont know what real suffering is
 
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Plenty of good content on here:




The last story I read on there had a woman who was diagnosed with Schizophrenia her entire life because she heard voices, but the voices were traumatic memories from her past. It's a good thing she was force fed antipsychotics though because those clearly helped her.


does this person who made the reddit post literally believe that there are "pod people" and that there is a "conspiracy" or is this person using those terms symbolically from the film Invasion of the body snatchers to highlight that in their experience everyone they interact with say the same canned responses and don't really give a shit to actually listen to them.

Either way I feel incredibly bad for that person.
 
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Just my own philosophy, others may disagree but for myself: my suicide is *my* decision to make, and *my* responsibility. Not my family's, not my friends', not my doctor's and not my therapist's. If I come to that conclusion I acknowledge that, for myself, just as I believe it isn't anyone else's place to forbid me from taking my own life, it isn't anyone else's "fault" if I do. I get to make that choice, and I take solace in knowing and remembering that. I have little control over most of what happens to me, but this much I can say for certain: I have the right to exit at any time - but it is my decision and my burden to bear.

Bitterness and raging resentment haven't served me well in this life...
 
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I believe it is the notion that life can always improve (even if it is not true and some people are just doomed from the start) and also part of the selfishness as well as imposition of one's will to someone else (wanting to feel superior).

So with that said, I do agree with @Severen and @OneBigBlur here more than others, but to be fair, while I don't fully agree with @MeltingHeart or @FohPah here, I do agree with the fact that therapy does help some people who aren't able to help themselves. One such example would be someone who has no self-introspection or are unable to think for themselves and/or just want someone to vent to. If they want to vent and/or have some validation from someone else, then yes, I believe that would be constructive and therapeutic for them, but for people who are looking for solutions, fixes, or made up one's mind about something, then therapy is certainly not the answer.
 
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We need to tell as many people as possible exactly what is going on inside us. Otherwise we will never have a voice that allows us to participate in our own fate if and when our quality of life deteriorates before we die naturally.

The therapists do not have to do anything immediately about our need to exit, but they need to understand that we need legislation to legally facilitate our exits. I personally do not want to use subterfuge any more, especially in a situation where I have client / practicioner privilege on which I can insist when I have a logical, realistic conversation, citing examples from other countries etc. Where my words will be somehow lodged into a professional person's brain who works in the industry that we need to approach to get change: "I am ready to die. I am not getting any better. It has been 15 years. If anything, it is getting worse for me every day." The more of us speak up the better. To get help for ourselves and to show that we are not "crazy" and not "too messed up to analyze our situations accurately", but we are of sound mind, we are literate, we have an intellect which we used and found that the best resolution for us is a peaceful death. Many agree that humans have the right to die when suffering becomes unbearable. We are not alone, there is a suicide every few minutes 24/7. And the failed attempts. The mental health industry does a lot of studies and research projects.

That does not help us. We care about teens and women and single men attempting suicide. And we care about ourselves first. We need a legal framework. We need to have a way forward. We cannot get stuck with ordering nefarious death products from the Dark Web or fantasize about the least violent method and how diligent we have to be so we do not get detected and stopped.
Many members of the public have never felt what we feel, (maybe have never allowed themselves to feel this). We know that we have legitimate thoughts and leaving this existence on our terms is a legitimate thought. Therapists like to dismiss. "You are just having dark thoughts, do some mindfulness training and it will go away". We do not want to be dismissed. We want to be taken seriously with our dark thoughts.
How can a sentient human NOT have dark thoughts? You would have to be so desensitized and brain washed. We have to understand that our stories and thoughts are valid and valuable, especially the dark ones. We can show how our path was influenced by certain factors that traumatized and damaged us, in many cases beyond repair.

If there is a Dying with Dignity organization in your country, sign up and tell your therapist.Tell them about cases from countries where suicidal people receive permission to die even when they are "only" mentally fractured. There is not enough psych ward beds for all of us and they can only keep us there so long. A week maybe. If we do not develop the balls to voice what bothers us, find a way to tell the world that we all exist in suffering and agony, we have very little chance to have our needs met.
 
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FohPah

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So basically, it makes no sense for me to make any bold claims about Christianity until I first become a preacher of a Christian church? It's possible to gain knowledge that can reveal to you that something is BS without knowing everything there is to know about something. Therefore you can make bold claims as long as you aren't claiming to know everything there is to know about this or that.
There are things that you as a layperson can know, for example:
  • What the Bible says
  • What a given church's statement of faith is
  • What a given group of people's consensus is on some issues
  • Which of these biblical statements and religious beliefs are not corroborated by experience, scientific evidence, or philosophical analysis
You can even know enough to make a pretty good case that the religion, on the whole, is built on a foundation of myths and that society would be better off without it.

But none of that tells you what it's like to be a preacher. It doesn't tell you what a given preacher's motives are, or how they approach their job, or what day-to-day challenges they face. You still don't have a valid basis to make blanket character judgments like the judgments being made here against therapists.

Making blanket judgments like that puts you at odds with people before you even get to know them, and it prevents you from working with them within a flawed system even if they wanted to help you.
 
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But none of that tells you what it's like to be a preacher. It doesn't tell you what a given preacher's motives are, or how they approach their job, or what day-to-day challenges they face. You still don't have a valid basis to make blanket character judgments like the judgments being made here against therapists.

Making blanket judgments like that puts you at odds with people before you even get to know them, and it prevents you from working with them within a flawed system even if they wanted to help you.

Not ENTIRELY, no. I will not know everything there is to know about being a preacher. And I will always be at odds with people. Because I'm like the professor in this movie clip. :ehh: I'm trying to trying to cut down on trying to share my thoughts though. If someone tells me therapy and vitamin D will magically turn my life around, I might just pretend to agree to avoid the drama.
 
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Done at Fifty

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I personally don't see anything inhumane about that. They accept that suicide happens just like I do. I'm sure some therapist secretly agree with suicide and feel relieved when some of their severely depressed patients decide to stop the suffering with death.
Ideally given their choice of profession, they should want to save everyone, but I highly doubt they do.
 
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Severen

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I personally don't see anything inhumane about that. They accept that suicide happens just like I do.

Yes, it's just simply being realistic when it comes to people's lives. Not accepting suicide is like not accepting fall and winter...
 
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Mizzmini45

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Dec 1, 2019
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What exactly do you want a therapist to do? You want them to purchase your N? You want them to change our entire society? Most of us are struggling from crushing external forces that a therapist cannot change. If you have some internal demons that might be aided by an outside perspective a therapist can be of service. They're not super heroes and they cant change your life. Only you can change your internal dialogue. They're just an aide. There is nothing they can do for some of us here. They help people who are stumbling a little.

I've had a few bad experiences with pill pushing psychiatrists. I work in pharmacy and I know the pharmaceutical side of medicine can be messy. Your average therapist or social worker tends to be earnest though. It's a booster for those who are able to be boosted.

The majority sure as fuck are not in it for money. It is a profession though. You need to expect professionalism in your interactions.
I wish they would just purchase the N lol j/k no kinda not. You couldn't pay therapist enough for what they have to sit there and do
 
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Anathema

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You'd only need to take one stroll around the psych faculty at the Uni I go to, to witness the motivation of the majority of the people who grow up to become psychotherapists. $$$.
50 euros an hour for talking to someone and getting nowhere 90% of the time. God I chose the wrong field.
 
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TAW122

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I know what it's like, they value their money and their job over treating someone like a equal. It's always the same inhumane scripted dialogue, "and how does that make you feel?", and "what can you do to make that better?" and "you have worth" and "are you suicidal?". Here, try one of these therapies that are proven not to work but we'll shove them down your throat anyways because our pseudoscience claims that it works. The conversations are one sided, the opinions are one sided, and they will claim that they "care" but none of them would lift a finger. At best they show some concern, that's it. If someone started crying and wailing in there they'd sit there like a lifeless robot because of their fucked up sense of ethics. They have to follow their religious textbook after all that tells them it's moral to imprison people for being suicidal, it's moral to label people with a mental illness for normal behaviors and emotions, it's normal not to show emotion or affection, etc.

This is really true. Most of the therapists and counselors have been like that and it's one of the biggest reasons that I have come out more drained, frustrated, and feeling even worse than I started. I could have done so many other productive and fulfilling things in the time that I spent there. This is coming from someone who has been to no less than 10 therapists, counselors, mental health professionals (including one psychiatrist) combined in my entire lifetime.

An example of this "scripted dialogue" BS is where I had a specific problem and wanted to know "how" to do/respond to a specific situation, but instead just got useless replies, responses. As someone who has social difficulties, Aspergers, and difficulty in interaction with other people, I would have benefited in knowing how to respond or act in said situations.
Me: So in this situation, I got into an heated exchange/argument over (insert topic).
Therapist/Counselor: What could you have done differently?
Me: (Stuck and confused) I don't know.
Therapist/Counselor: Why do you feel like it is this way?
Me: (Getting frustrated) I asked you a specific question on how to deal with this and you are just ignoring my question.
Therapist/Counselor: I want you to know how to solve the problem yourself.
Me: I'm going to you for an answer and this is how you respond to me, this is some joke.

(More exchanges between me and therapist/counselor, conversation gets nowhere, and before I know it, time is already up/most of the session a waste and it hasn't even gone anywhere. The following sessions are similar in nature and format.)

Yeah, so that's what "help" consists of nowadays. Just a BS dialogue between a mental health professional and a client/patient. What a fucking joke. There is no real help for people and this go "see a professional/therapist/counselor" is just one big fat meme. Absolute fucking joke. Then you have people who say you didn't find the right one, or my favorite one, "you didn't try hard enough! You didn't want help!" Fuck them all, and fuck the people who parrot this mental health thing like it's some solution. There is no fucking help at all, just people who want to absolve themselves of guilt and shame as well as projecting their own selfishness and insecurity on you. Anyways end mini-rant.
 
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There are good and bad therapists, nurses, doctors etc but most I've dealt with have been caring and wanted to help. I've had asshole doctors etc too but I don't think it's fair to tar the whole profession with the same brush.
 
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does this person who made the reddit post literally believe that there are "pod people" and that there is a "conspiracy" or is this person using those terms symbolically from the film Invasion of the body snatchers to highlight that in their experience everyone they interact with say the same canned responses and don't really give a shit to actually listen to them.

Either way I feel incredibly bad for that person.

The latter.

I do agree with the fact that therapy does help some people who aren't able to help themselves. One such example would be someone who has no self-introspection or are unable to think for themselves and/or just want someone to vent to. If they want to vent and/or have some validation from someone else, then yes, I believe that would be constructive and therapeutic for them, but for people who are looking for solutions, fixes, or made up one's mind about something, then therapy is certainly not the answer.

I agree with this point but the people that it helps are usually the ones who have led "normal" lives and whose problems amount to failing school or having difficulty picking a career or something like that. I'd like to think that most people on this forum are fully capable of introspection because of the things that happened to them and they know what they want out of life and what is required. The problem is that there nobody is willing to help, not in any way that really matters anyways. My issue isn't even entirely that these people don't help me, it's that they give me the illusion of "help" and they believe in that illusion like it is a sacred biblical text. I truly wish that I could find something like therapy to be comforting but I find it to be the exact opposite. It is a constant reminder that people are unreliable and that no one really cares.

It reminds me of people who witness some tragic event like a car accident and all they do is sit there and watch, some even take pictures. After a while they move on with their day as if nothing happened. It is heartbreaking to know that someone can hold their hand out but they'd rather just be a spectator.

There are good and bad therapists, nurses, doctors etc but most I've dealt with have been caring and wanted to help. I've had asshole doctors etc too but I don't think it's fair to tar the whole profession with the same brush.

I agree, BUT meaning well and showing concern is different from actually caring and making the effort to help.
 
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Ironweed

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Making blanket judgments like that puts you at odds with people before you even get to know them, and it prevents you from working with them within a flawed system even if they wanted to help you.

Define "help" in context here, if you would be so kind. It is one of those words glibly tossed about that seems to have so many different meanings it in effect means whatever one wishes it to, in practice. I won't go so far as to call it a weasel word, but whenever I hear it used in a context like this, I get a little, well, dubious.

As I live in the good ol' USA, I've certainly never heard of any therapist, psychiatrist or social worker willing to sign off on the idea of "rational suicide" absent being at the tail end of terminal illness. Indeed, some have begun denying that a chosen death under such circumstances even is suicide, and that it should cease being described as such. Idiotic twaddle, in my opinion, but there you have it.
 
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As I live in the good ol' USA, I've certainly never heard of any therapist, psychiatrist or social worker willing to sign off on the idea of "rational suicide" absent being at the tail end of terminal illness.

This guy did:

 
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I'm embarrassed to say I completely forgot about Szasz. Shame on me. Ditto the one or two doctors affiliated with "anti-psychiatry," which Szasz wanted nothing to do with, for no reason I've ever been able to figure.

What do you mean? He was anti coercive psychiatry and I think that's great. He believed in peoples right to choose, including suicide and drugs, and wanted both client/therapist to be equals when they communicated without risk of involuntary hospitalization. I'd say he was pretty much against everything related to psychiatry including "mental illness" labels. The only thing I've read so far that I disagree with him on is that he didn't agree with euthanasia for some odd reason.
 
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I don't think therapy is for everyone, and i dont think many therapists (maybe most of them) are good at what they do.

That said, it hurts to hear all this hatred toward them. One of my sisters is a psychologist and so is her fiance, and they talk to me sometimes about their clients (within reason). They are trying their best, but a lot of times they simply cannot relate to what their clients are talking about. How could someone who has lived a normal, happy life understand the desire to die, when that wish is so contradictory to everything they personally feel?

Similarly, psychologists (or at least my sister) are taught to speak in that detached way. It's to keep not only themselves from becoming too close, but to keep potentially dangerous clients from getting too close to them. It is really easy for them to overdo, she does it even just talking to me.

I'm sorry for everyone in this thread who has had bad therapy experiences, i have as well. Mistakes made with good intentions are no less painful, but perpetuating the idea that therapy is some sort of awful money-making scam is terribly damaging, and can keep those who can still be helped from seeking what they need.
 
Green Destiny

Green Destiny

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I don't think therapy is for everyone, and i dont think many therapists (maybe most of them) are good at what they do.

That said, it hurts to hear all this hatred toward them. One of my sisters is a psychologist and so is her fiance, and they talk to me sometimes about their clients (within reason). They are trying their best, but a lot of times they simply cannot relate to what their clients are talking about. How could someone who has lived a normal, happy life understand the desire to die, when that wish is so contradictory to everything they personally feel?

Similarly, psychologists (or at least my sister) are taught to speak in that detached way. It's to keep not only themselves from becoming too close, but to keep potentially dangerous clients from getting too close to them. It is really easy for them to overdo, she does it even just talking to me.

I'm sorry for everyone in this thread who has had bad therapy experiences, i have as well. Mistakes made with good intentions are no less painful, but perpetuating the idea that therapy is some sort of awful money-making scam is terribly damaging, and can keep those who can still be helped from seeking what they need.
I don't think Therapy is a money making scam, but I am weary of seeking help by these professionals because I've heard plenty of stories where they've broken confidentiality and betrayed the trust of the people they're trying to help. Should I seek out these people for help only for them to stab me in the back down the line? I'm not demanding a direct answer from you of course but it's things like these that make me wonder if it's worth all the possible trouble that they can cause me.
 
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I would never say that therapy can't help anyone anywhere ever. There must be someone out there who's being helped by it.

But my own personal experience is very different. The bad experiences I've had with doctors of all kinds, including therapists, far outweighs the good experiences I've had.

I did have one very good therapist when I was a teenager. However, I was forced to stop seeing him by the treatment center I was living in at the time.
And I had another therapist that was helping me a lot and I had been seeing her for three or four years. Then I got into college and I had a bad experience that I won't go into. When I went to tell her about this experience, she dismissed it and wasn't sympathetic at all to my pain. After that, she refused to see me anymore. She just cut me off. I hadn't done anything to her and this experience wasn't my fault, but she made me feel like it was. That's probably one of the reasons why I never talk about it.
When I commiserate and complain on here about doctors and other medical professionals, I assume I'm talking to people who have had similar bad experiences to mine. I'm not dismissing all therapists, or all doctors, or all medical people as bad. But for me, I'm done with them. They just don't want to help me. In this case, I'm talking more about helping with my thyroid than therapy.
I've been jerked around for 24 years now, I'm done. I've already been there and tried just about anything and everything I could afford.

I'm certainly not telling someone who's never been to a doctor or never seen a therapist that they shouldn't go and at least try to get help. I'm just saying that if you go and you try, not everyone gets the help they need even if they've been trying for decades to get help, and after a long period of time of trying, you might get sick of it and decide to just quit fighting a useless battle that you can never win.
And that might cause you to be very angry and resentful. And no one can tell me how to feel about the experiences that I've been through. There's certainly no one IRL that I can talk to about it, and even when I do say how I really feel, nobody gives a damn. They just keep telling me I should try "Just one more doctor". Because me being tortured for 24 years isn't enough for them apparently.

That's why I'm very grateful I can come on here and talk to people who know what I'm talking about because they've had similar experiences.
 
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