When does the train suicide method become morally acceptable to you? (Poll)

[The Schizoid]

I think I have heard somewhere about it in Japan(it's common to ctb via train ). The railway comittee sometimes charge the family of the deceased,to pay for the trouble the deceased caused. In my opinion, children will see it + if the train is stopped for ur sake the passengers will beat u to ur death. Either way u will cause trouble to others and if u r alive , permanent damage forever.

What you should do is leave a note on your dead body saying "if the government had offered me a better way to die I wouldn't have had to do this".

 

[OrphicEnd]

"One person's freedom ends where another's begins."

It is our choice when it is a purely personal choice and does not involve anyone else.
This may seem harsh but as long as an agreement is not reached (that we are offered help/we ask for help and the person agrees to help us), we must not mix the other people with our problem.

Always, actually I admire those who choose this method they are courageous and brave. I find it insensitive when people complain about others using this method, like sorry but other people's suicide is absolutely nothing to do with you, pro-lifers who hate on suicidal people and cannot mind their own business are annoying. It disgusts me when they make it all about the driver when we exist in this evil world where there is the absence of guaranteed, peaceful suicide methods available for all.

If we do not respect certain principles ourselves, and therefore contribute to making the world "evil", we should not complain.
"The art of leadership, consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary"
We can't hate all people by considering them as diverse, so we put them in the same box, it's easier.
Saying that you have to respect others is not being pro-lifer and even if pro-lifer say it, that does not make their arguments invalid.

In this case, blaming the lack of resources is deluding ourselves. We choose to die, then that is our problem, even if it would be hard, it remains our problem to achieve it.
Even if we were alone on a desert island with nothing we can still drown or stop eating, but still happy, we're not there, so there are always several methods available, they are just more painful than the one you wish.

To take up the driver's argument, if he is not held responsible (because in our time, even without having done anything one can be accused of everything) would have to bear the trauma of having "killed" someone . What tells you that he will sleep well at night and not commit suicide later too, believing he is responsible? This kind of story in other circumstances has happened before.
Among the passages, without mentioning the mental consequences, it is possible that some had taken the train for urgent matters (burial of a relative for example... it happened during a blockage by ecologists).
Without forgetting the one who will have the pleasure of cleaning up your remain all over the ground and the train.

it's the government's fault because there was no other option available to them.

This is the kind of argument that can be used anywhere and in any way. This means that we are not responsible for our own actions.
Whether it's the government's fault or not, it doesn't justify implicating other people who have nothing to do with it.

 

[xmissellax]

This is a tricky one. A lot of people may use this due to inaccessibility to other methods and desperation. I have many times thought of jumping in front of a train as the limited other numbers of methods available to me seemed to have too high of a failure risk or were just inaccessible. I'm glad I found out about SN as that will now be my method of choice but still finding it hard to access proper SN as authorities clamp down on it more.

I think it's acceptable if the person has no other options or desperately feels like they don't have any other options, but it's very sad it had to come to something to brutal and that will inevitably affect other people. I can only imagine that persons desperation to end their suffering.

 

[Darkover]

Whether it's the government's fault or not, it doesn't justify implicating other people who have nothing to do with it.

there's no justification for making someone live a life they don't want just like there is no justification for raping someone, killing yourself by jumping in front of a train is justified because the other people are choosing to elect these asshole into power who then restrict the birthright to choose whether life is worth living or not

 

[OrphicEnd]

there's no justification for making someone live a life they don't want

For this, you can blame the parents. But yes the fact of "saving" people who want to die is a problem. Relatives are also putting pressure to ban all means of suicide. The fact that many call the emergency services during their attempt because of SI doesn't help either.

the other people are choosing to elect these asshole into power

There is no guarantee that they are against euthanasia or voted for the people currently in power. And for many, we elect by elimination, no candidate has exactly the same opinions as us so we prioritize certain things. But in every system where there is an element of democracy, people prioritize the problems that they feel most personally and in those around them. For most in Europe it's inflation, unemployment and immigration, which is why even the worst candidates come out on top simply by promising to specifically address these problems. So even without being against it, euthanasia is still far away. Can we blame them (the people) for not focusing on a problem that concerns them less ?

There are things like euthanasia or the legalization of certain substances that the state would have more to gain from but does not do so because these are delicate subjects and in the event of a problem the responsibility would fall to it.

 

[The Schizoid]

Anyone who's in the UK, I'm in scotland, but travelling to wales and england soon for some research.

If any of you are interested in good spots for train death, stay in touch.

I hope I don't get a ban for mentioning, considering that jumping locations are often discussed on here and methods are often discussed in detail, so i feel no guilt about sharing train locations.

 

[mafuyu]

i'm a bit of an asshole so i don't really care

after all, not my problem once im dead

 

[The Schizoid]

i'm a bit of an asshole so i don't really care

after all, not my problem once im dead

Same

 

[Camel]

Anyone who's in the UK, I'm in scotland, but travelling to wales and england soon for some research.

If any of you are interested in good spots for train death, stay in touch.

I hope I don't get a ban for mentioning, considering that jumping locations are often discussed on here and methods are often discussed in detail, so i feel no guilt about sharing train locations.

I live in Scotland as well, I'm aware of a few good places in the west, there's quite a bit of places with bridges above some tracks so it's not that hard to get to a good spot.

 

[The Schizoid]

Ohhhh,, this one cuts deep for me. That's always been my preferred method (bcus of delusion related reasons) and my psychs know about that. However, where I live, it simply isn't possible. The trains here are incredibly slow as they're just for cargo. Slow to the point that it wouldn't be quick and painless. I also am not in the habit of furthering inconveniencing others by trying anything in public. I've tried jumping into traffic. That was my first real attempt. It's not something I'd do again just for the simple fact it gets too many randos involved that didn't do anything to deserve to witness something so traumatic.

I believed it could work as a last ditch effort if there is truly no other way, but I'm kind of on the fence about it now though, seeing the other replies. As in--definitely no longer a method I have an interest in trying.

Do you earn a living? Why not do research, find where you can get easy access to had speed trains and then plan it?

 

[verrobasd]

Always, actually I admire those who choose this method they are courageous and brave.

I agree. To me this method is always acceptable, even though I don't think I would ever have the courage to do it myself.

I don't really feel too bad for the train drivers or anyone else. It happens almost daily in the (small) country where I live and since I've travelled by train an awful lot, I've passed by a lot of 'crime scenes'. I've only felt really, really sad every time for the person that chose this method.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

If it was jumping in front of a car, I'd understand as it will likely cause a crash.

But other passengers are not likely to see it, just the driver. If you have a lack of other methods, then it seems it may be the only way you can secure a quick death,

You're travelling around the country scouting out the best spots, I find it hard to believe you don't have access to any other methods. Or the time/ability to plan something better.

 

[The Schizoid]

You're travelling around the country scouting out the best spots, I find it hard to believe you don't have access to any other methods. Or the time/ability to plan something better.

Such as? I have no assisted suicide service. No guns. No SN.

There are other ways obviously. I could stab myself over and over in the stomach or neck and die. I could throw myself in the ocean and drown, but of course that would be very painful.

I feel entitled to a reasonably quick way out, and Jumping and Train are the only option.

 

[notforl0ng]

It's definitely a brave method. I'd suffer for a lifetime before trying it, though. Nobody should have to clean bits of your brain, shit, guts, skull, and every other bit of your inside off the tracks and train itself.

 

[The Schizoid]

It's definitely a brave method. I'd suffer for a lifetime before trying it, though. Nobody should have to clean bits of your brain, shit, guts, skull, and every other bit of your inside off the tracks and train itself.

Professionals will handle it. When you're dead it's not your problem tho.

 

[notforl0ng]

Professionals will handle it. When you're dead it's not your problem tho.

Definitely not. I just have empathy for other people while I'm still among the living. There's no professional job description for "scrape brain matter off the tracks", no train engineer or railroad employee wants to see a mangled corpse like that. It won't even look human anymore. There's better ways.

Even still, it's not like my method is any better. I'm gonna be jumping today and the mess from that isn't much better. A fair bit, but not much.

 

[Hunter2005]

Always, actually I admire those who choose this method they are courageous and brave. I find it insensitive when people complain about others using this method, like sorry but other people's suicide is absolutely nothing to do with you, pro-lifers who hate on suicidal people and cannot mind their own business are annoying. It disgusts me when they make it all about the driver when we exist in this evil world where there is the absence of guaranteed, peaceful suicide methods available for all.

Yeah I could never do this unless I really numb out my emotions

 

[divinemistress36]

Definitely not. I just have empathy for other people while I'm still among the living. There's no professional job description for "scrape brain matter off the tracks", no train engineer or railroad employee wants to see a mangled corpse like that. It won't even look human anymore. There's better ways.

Even still, it's not like my method is any better. I'm gonna be jumping today and the mess from that isn't much better. A fair bit, but not much.

I wonder if they get desensitized to after awhile

 

[The Schizoid]

Definitely not. I just have empathy for other people while I'm still among the living. There's no professional job description for "scrape brain matter off the tracks", no train engineer or railroad employee wants to see a mangled corpse like that. It won't even look human anymore. There's better ways.

Even still, it's not like my method is any better. I'm gonna be jumping today and the mess from that isn't much better. A fair bit, but not much.

You're jumping tho right? So you'll risk a similar situation.

 

[Slow_Farewell]

with @UKscotty on this one. nope.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Such as? I have no assisted suicide service. No guns. No SN.

There are other ways obviously. I could stab myself over and over in the stomach or neck and die. I could throw myself in the ocean and drown, but of course that would be very painful.

I feel entitled to a reasonably quick way out, and Jumping and Train are the only option.

I'd pick jumping over train. Something like one of those tall telecommunication masts far away from any people that could be harmed or affected. I'm not saying you don't deserve a quick way out mate, of course you do. We all do!

I apologise if I've been a bit judgemental in this thread, the train method just does something to me.

 

[26mmmm]

Some people are strongly against train suicide, I'm just asking this question because I'd like to get an idea as to how many of you feel the train suicide method is acceptable or not.
Please think hard about your choice.

Its selfish if you have other options to choose from that you can go through with but just dont want to.
If you can't go through with other accessible methods even if you tried then it's still selfish but reasonably.
It'll always be selfish.

 

[hibikikyuxx]

The train method will always be morally acceptable as long as euthanasia isn't legalized. People don't choose the train method because they want to but because they have no other method available and society (pro lifer scumbags) force them to choose painful methods. If euthanasia was legalized, nobody would ever pick the train method.

 

[Mx_Pathetic]

I think dying by a train is an terrible idea.
The reason I say this is because it's not reliable in ctb, you're likely to become disabled or vegetated. There are so many other options of ctb that are more reliable. I also think it's completely wrong to trumatise the driver wether it be train or any type of vehicle. To trumatise someone like that is just so messed up in my opinion. Anyone who can avoid someone other then the cops seeing your body, should.

 

[The Schizoid]

Its selfish if you have other options to choose from that you can go through with but just dont want to.
If you can't go through with other accessible methods even if you tried then it's still selfish but reasonably.
It'll always be selfish.

Sure but if I have no guns, no assisted suicide, no SN...

The options I have really are drowning (no way I'm doing that), hanging (could easily go wrong) and Jumping.

I am considering Jumping, but besides that it's Train. Train or Jump. But even if I do Jump, someone will find my body anyway. Whether it's someone walking their dog or a train driver.

I think dying by a train is an terrible idea.
The reason I say this is because it's not reliable in ctb, you're likely to become disabled or vegetated. There are so many other options of ctb that are more reliable. I also think it's completely wrong to trumatise the driver wether it be train or any type of vehicle. To trumatise someone like that is just so messed up in my opinion. Anyone who can avoid someone other then the cops seeing your body, should.

I disagree, most people who choose this method die.

And the reason so many people end up vegetables is because they are idiots who throw themselves under the train, sometimes at slow speed, without any real thought in place

The reality is, if I can access a track where the train goes 100mph, and it hits me head on with my skull colliding with the train, I'm almost certainly dead. Heck if a car hits me at 40ph I'm likely dead.

 

[26mmmm]

Sure but if I have no guns, no assisted suicide, no SN...

The options I have really are drowning (no way I'm doing that), hanging (could easily go wrong) and Jumping.

I am considering Jumping, but besides that it's Train. Train or Jump. But even if I do Jump, someone will find my body anyway. Whether it's someone walking their dog or a train driver.

Almost everything could go wrong, you just need to accept the consequences and try to do it right. If you do everything right it shouldn't go wrong.
If you still choose to go by train that would be pretty selfish but understandable to an extent, but still, you should exhaust all other options

 

[The Schizoid]

Almost everything could go wrong, you just need to accept the consequences and try to do it right. If you do everything right it shouldn't go wrong.
If you still choose to go by train that would be pretty selfish but understandable to an extent, but still, you should exhaust all other options

I remember that guy who said train suicide was selfish but still did it anyway last week lol

 

[Captive_Mind515]

I remember that guy who said train suicide was selfish but still did it anyway last week lol

They were drunk and the bridge they were planning to use had suicide barriers installed, which they obviously hadn't planned for.

I'm not making excuses for them, it would have been better not to use a train. You could probably learn from what they did, and plan your ctb a bit better.

But I guess if you're dead set on using a train, you probably don't need or care about anyone's opinion around here...

 

[rozeske]

I remember that guy who said train suicide was selfish but still did it anyway last week lol

There are things we would do out of desperation and lack of options, doesn't mean we would bluntly encourage or advice others to so the same. That person on their last thread mentions going to their site of ctb that was no more accessible and decided to resort to the train method. It's each and everyone of us personal opinion and decision whether to go or not with a specific method. Let's respect the dead and show a little empathy and let them rest in peace.

 

[The Schizoid]

They were drunk and the bridge they were planning to use had suicide barriers installed, which they obviously hadn't planned for.

I'm not making excuses for them, it would have been better not to use a train. You could probably learn from what they did, and plan your ctb a bit better.

But I guess if you're dead set on using a train, you probably don't need or care about anyone's opinion around here...

If I had guns or assisted suicide pods/services I would choose that. I wish I had a shotgun.

I am still considering jumping, but I don't know where to jump that wont involve me being seen by many people there anyway at some point.

Jumping would potentially involve many people witnessing it or seeing the aftermath. With the train situation, I know exactly where to go, and it's pretty much guaranteed death with a hit speed train hitting me head on. The only one who will see is the driver, no one else will see it.

There are things we would do out of desperation and lack of options, doesn't mean we would bluntly encourage or advice others to so the same. That person on their last thread mentions going to their site of ctb that was no more accessible and decided to resort to the train method. It's each and everyone of us personal opinion and decision whether to go or not with a specific method. Let's respect the dead and show a little empathy and let them rest in peace.

I'm just saying, people should sympathize with the train method a bit more. If you don't have guns or assisted suicide, it may be the closest thing you get to an instant death.