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- May 14, 2018
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How is not the most logical assessment there is?I agree. It's not logical to compare the two states.
What stores the data? How can souls exist when if a brain is damaged it changes the person completely. At which stage in life is the soul a representation of our true selves. Is it a name for life essence? But if so, it dies when our brain dies. Since our brain is the source of all our conscious experience and pain.It's a similar state, almost identical but with the persistent data of your experience stored somewhere (karma/soul/etc). This is what I believe without any proof whatsoever, lol.
Omg if eternal reoccurrence does exist, I at least hope I am totally unaware of it like my current form.Before we were born, our consciousness did not exist but what makes us up did. An amount of time will pass, eventually everything will align once again, and we will exist again.
I have to agree I think things reoccur over and over again which is horribleBefore we were born, our consciousness did not exist but what makes us up did. An amount of time will pass, eventually everything will align once again, and we will exist again.
Good point.Why not? Emotional attachment to life?
The before death and after death are identical, it's just that we are more calm about creating life than it ending.
But what if you're next existence is better?I have to agree I think things reoccur over and over again which is horrible
Oh well may the force be with us
Why not? There is nothingness before we're born and we just return to that nothingness after we die.That makes no sense to me
But then the one following could be even worse. Pay attention to the "over and over" aspect.But what if you're next existence is better?
Then bring it on !But what if you're next existence is better?
Eh that is uncertain. The only certainty is what is going on now. I view it as starting a new game of cards and drawing a fresh hand.But then the one following could be even worse. Pay attention to the "over and over" aspect.
I know it is uncertain, but you brought up specifically if the next life was better. So I was just pointing out how it is weird to find that comforting, because it implies there will be inifinite more lives potentially, with potential chance for suffering.Eh that is uncertain. The only certainty is what is going on now. I view it as starting a new game of cards and drawing a fresh hand.
I personally try not to dwell on the possibility of reoccurrence, because the present is what is certain to me.
I mean reoccurrence would suck, but at least then you have another shot at making it work, even if you don't have any knowledge of your previous life.I know it is uncertain, but you brought up specifically if the next life was better. So I was just pointing out how it is weird to find that comforting, because it implies there will be inifinite more lives potentially, with potential chance for suffering.
Of course the present has certainity. But the point of this thread is to collectively ponder the uncertainty and what some likely outcomes are.
What you say makes sense. I understand.How is not the most logical assessment there is?
I get that all of it is faith as we can never be certain, but with all available information, memory is only possible with a brain. We didn't have a brain prior to birth, so we had no senses of anything whatsoever. After death, also no brain, so the most logical explanation is the same thing: no memory or sensation.
Okay however that doesn't mean things can't happen again. As we all morph into being again and againWhen people speak about this they mean how death would feel like , it would feel like before you were born... you didn't know you were born and after you are dead from your perspective you wont know you were born or died.
just because you lived for a few decades doesn't change that perspective of non existence.
this is a logical fallacy. i dont agree looking at this from a logic and scientific perspective, its only human nature to hope for more but life is just a happy accident with a few decades and its back to oblivion.Okay however that doesn't mean things can't happen again
We would need to confirm if a person really changes completely upon injury etc. There are striking changes, perhaps complete changes but there might be something subtle that stays between one state and the other. It's a fascinating experiment.What stores the data? How can souls exist when if a brain is damaged it changes the person completely. At which stage in life is the soul a representation of our true selves. Is it a name for life essence? But if so, it dies when our brain dies. Since our brain is the source of all our conscious experience and pain.
I respect all interpretations of afterlife (except those who believe in hell), but they all rely completely on faith.But purely from our current perspective as a living being we cannot equate the world as it was before we were in existence with the world as it will be after we have existed.
If there really is some mysterious energy being transferred it is quite cruel :( why do we have this format of birth and death, whereby birth seems to spawn us from nothing.We would need to confirm if a person really changes completely upon injury etc. There are striking changes, perhaps complete changes but there might be something subtle that stays between one state and the other. It's a fascinating experiment.
I agree that the brain determines consciousness and it's where memory and identity are stored. When we fall asleep there is a lapse in experience, same with head injury, etc. Without brain the person will disappear, it seems logical.
But I start from the (to me) truism that life comes from an impulse that existed before it and continues after and that reality isn't random but has a purpose.
From there, I make the leap of assuming that since life seems to be something temporary that something else than is permanent is manifesting, it makes sense that the experience is stored in the permanent part. The idea of Karma is similar to this.
Perhaps we can envision Nirvana as being able to erase all the junk in your Operating System and each life as a session between turning on and off the computer, in which new folders are created with unresolved strong feelings and memories.
What? The efilists won't like what you said! You fear non-existence? What are you, a pro-lifer? Haha.It can make sense if our soul was alive before this body we are in now was born. It may be that our soul has been alive a lot longer than this body we are in now and it may stay alive a lot longer after this body dies- possibly our souls will have eternal life. Sometimes eternal life seems terrifying but I think that not havig eternal life is much more terrifying. The idea of not existing is so completely terrifying to me that I try to not think about it too much.
I agree I wish someone told me this in my teens would have saved me pain and torturethis is a logical fallacy. i dont agree looking at this from a logic and scientific perspective, its only human nature to hope for more but life is just a happy accident with a few decades and its back to oblivion.
All these are just hopes. wishes and fairytales.
All these lifetimes and decades upon generations theres never been proof of anything more.
if you think about how life and biology works youd come to the conclusion reincarnation and afterlife/god is a defy the laws of nature of physics impossibility.