Besides the part that how we acquire them.. I was concerned about whether it works or not. I see I am also going with amit. Cocktail.
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Besides the part that how we acquire them.. I was concerned about whether it works or not. I see I am also going with amit. Cocktail.
weedoge
Banned
- Jul 12, 2018
- 1,525
I think it's the fact that people convince themselves that partial is "peaceful" and so the physical discomfort isn't really expected. There are methods where you don't have to push yourself through some strange feeling that you're "not sure if it's right" (like the explody head feeling), partial sucks :(
Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. All I know is Ive seen some users getting flustered waiting and wondering if it will ever come. Then if it does, it's a pretty expensive thing not to follow through with. If your survival instinct kicks in, that's a pricey failure. If it's not 100% I'm not spending that much money to find out. The whole thing seems incredibly shady to me.
True, he has been the ultimate relief for more people then we will ever know...but the warning bells in my head go off whenever I read about it, so it's definitely not for me.
I too am curious of this. I decided amitriptyline as well with sn as back up. Where are you getting yours from. Ugh we need like 180 pills. I think it will work. I mean 200 of most pills should work it seems but nothing is guaranteed. :/
To each their own. I have yet to order N. from A. but i keep on thinking about. Yes, it's a bit of crap shoot of customs seizing the package. Survival instincts are only a factor if you decide not to drink N. Once you drink 2 bottles of N., which I understand is difficult because of the taste, you're guaranteed to CTB peacefully.....
And for the costs, i keep on thinking what does it matter if you're going to leave this world anyway...
But again on hanging or patial
But if you google the 21 year old Sweden guy from like 2010, all he's done is taken some paracetamol or something (you'll see the wiki news on him) archived where he just got a network cable and he went down to business...live streaming....so it must be possible, right? Sure failures, but he seemed to have not survived or was that because he's also used drugs? The wiki article mentions specifics then I care to list
But if you google the 21 year old Sweden guy from like 2010, all he's done is taken some paracetamol or something (you'll see the wiki news on him) archived where he just got a network cable and he went down to business...live streaming....so it must be possible, right? Sure failures, but he seemed to have not survived or was that because he's also used drugs? The wiki article mentions specifics then I care to list
Yea, I'm not going to tell anybody not to order from him. I'm just paranoid about it, I can't speak from experience so maybe it's not justified, but I listen to my gut.
The thing about survival instinct, is it doesn't care about your method. It will be just as strong every time, no matter if you're gasping for breath, or looking at a bottle you have to drink.
I hope it works out for you friend.
Sure, he has done it and others have done it successfully and it looks easy. But if you read the testimonials of the people on SS, partial is a lot harder than it looks.
I agree with the cost thing if your going out you don't need money. Risking losing money is hard though if it does get seized then you are out money but if it comes thru then your good. I wonder if just one bottle would work? I mean n is the real deal no turning back with that stuff. I want n I got email from a but I'm cautious too
Benedryl OD:. Because I had one and lost tons of hair for a year. Could have been worse but I went to Emergency Care.
Any OTC OD: they are unreliable and gruesome deaths if left alive
Street-drug OD: never know the strength you get
Jumping off cliff/plane/hang-gliding/building: know too many who survived and are severely injured. Did lots of research for my own crippling injuries, and these were the people who had ones like mine and worse (barring car wrecks).
Crashing cars: see above
Ligature compression: failed myself 2x. Think it is too hard manually to do--literally hurts--and uncertain of reliability
Guns: You have to hit the right spot and deal with kickback, which is hard, from experience at shooting ranges
Detergent suicide/lethal chemical concoctions: very dangerous to others including up to 1/2 mi away and not altogether reliable. Can be prosecuted as terrorist in some countries. Can be left with bad side effects.
Slitting wrists/other veins: hard to do w/o extreme force and medical training/knowledge. Even then, veins/arteries retract, so you may hesitate even w/ knowledge based on pain
Basically, there are risks to every method. None are that reliable. These are the ones off the top of my head. I could argue against all methods if asked because some will work for somebody and fail for most others.
Any OTC OD: they are unreliable and gruesome deaths if left alive
Street-drug OD: never know the strength you get
Jumping off cliff/plane/hang-gliding/building: know too many who survived and are severely injured. Did lots of research for my own crippling injuries, and these were the people who had ones like mine and worse (barring car wrecks).
Crashing cars: see above
Ligature compression: failed myself 2x. Think it is too hard manually to do--literally hurts--and uncertain of reliability
Guns: You have to hit the right spot and deal with kickback, which is hard, from experience at shooting ranges
Detergent suicide/lethal chemical concoctions: very dangerous to others including up to 1/2 mi away and not altogether reliable. Can be prosecuted as terrorist in some countries. Can be left with bad side effects.
Slitting wrists/other veins: hard to do w/o extreme force and medical training/knowledge. Even then, veins/arteries retract, so you may hesitate even w/ knowledge based on pain
Basically, there are risks to every method. None are that reliable. These are the ones off the top of my head. I could argue against all methods if asked because some will work for somebody and fail for most others.
It is hard to find the spot to compress the carotid artery. I have tried up to 50 times in one day in tests (and have tried for days till my neck could not take it). I usually just hit jugulars, and I have a thin neck and can easily feel my pulse point with my fingers.
Edit: I only lost consciousness briefly once, unexpectedly.
I already got my amitriptyline(7 grams). I should get cimetidine still. You can pm if you want to.. just don't want to derail this thread.
weedoge
Banned
- Jul 12, 2018
- 1,525
Yes, it's easy given a certain mindset. A mindset which most people here on SS don't seem to have, not an insult or a judgement or anything just a simple observation.
I think the less preparation, apparatus and discomfort involved are factors that can help lessen the instinct. I think you have to be as ready and relaxed as possible, or at the very least feeling disconnected or detached with a one-track mind can make it easier to go ahead with some painless method. I think this is why overdoses, inert gas and such are more sought after. The more active or involved a method (ropes, vehicles and physical methods vs inert gases with exit bag vs drugs) I think the harder it is to keep that feeling of disconnection and "finishing the job". This is from personal experience at least. If it weren't for all the preparation involved in getting a suitable area and burning the coal, I would actually put CO right at the top of methods I think are easiest to perform in terms of survival instinct. Because there is no time where I have to sort of put a bag over my head or have something physically inside or on my body, the "test" I did long ago was enough to realise that if I could autopilot in such a way and there was no physical discomfort then I can probably keep my mental state stable enough long enough to get through it.
OK I started a convo with you. Hope I did it right. Thankyou
I agree 50%. I've flubbed it several times, but while at first I thought it was due to the set up of the apparatus (eb/N2), a lot of it is simply the time it takes to get my farewell notes set up, notifications ready on the delayed email, etc. So it isn't so much the method or the apparatus as it is my inability to be impulsive.
But I live alone and can get my apparatus set up at any time without worrying about someone walking in and stopping me. If you do need to take the time to get everything set up, then the complexity of your method would contribute to that delay and could make the attempt less successful.
I used to pooh-pooh the stats that say guns make suicides more likely because they increase the ability to ctb impulsively, but it turns out the idea is sound: if I didn't care about a note, or having the right person find me, or leaving a minimally traumatizing corpse for my family, I could walk 15 feet to my gun locker and be dead in a few seconds. A method is a lot more likely to succeed if it can be attempted impulsively.
So to keep with the OP of this thread, the less conducive the method is to spontaneity, the more I would recommend against that method regardless of how otherwise peaceful or effective it might be. It could lead to "operator error" rather than method failure.
Smashingairwaves
misery factory
- Nov 15, 2018
- 193
If it doesnt come through you have to deal with the consequences of the loss of money. If it's $500 US that's $700NZD, which is nearly 3 weeks rent for me.
Like yeah it wouldn't matter if I was dying, but it doesn't come then I have to think of a new method. I need that money to survive comfortably while I find a new way to die.
Cost can be a big factor. $500 for N is half my month's budget. Even eb/N2 was pricey --maybe $250 all told. That would be a good reason not to recommend it.
I'm with you on this. Its so risky.
Glad to hear he came through for you
TAW122
Emissary of the right to die.
- Aug 30, 2018
- 6,662
Aspirin or Tylenol overdose. With OD'ing, there is always a high chance of failure and when doing so with many common OTC (over the counter) drugs, the chances of surviving are high. Also, you will suffer greatly, like being in a lot of pain or end up disabled. I don't recommend it, especially when one doesn't know about LD50 of such drugs, how they react to each other, and/or which drugs are potent and which aren't. Lack of such knowledge would not only result in failure, but many other nasty consequences such as permanent damage to the body, or even worse situation like surviving an attempt in a vegetative state.
Jumping off of anything that is less than a good 200-300 feet in height
Slitting wrists
Overdosing on benzos or antidepressants
'suicidal gestures', such as taking 50 aspirins
Overdosing on Benadryl
Shallow water blackout
Crashing car into tree
Jumping in front of train (lethal if done correctly, but selfish to others and train driver)
Slitting wrists
Overdosing on benzos or antidepressants
'suicidal gestures', such as taking 50 aspirins
Overdosing on Benadryl
Shallow water blackout
Crashing car into tree
Jumping in front of train (lethal if done correctly, but selfish to others and train driver)
I'd say just about any random pill overdose. Usually done spontaneously they are a gateway to surviving.
Rose
ad finitum
- Nov 11, 2018
- 96
Self-immolation. Every nerve is firing off in as much pain as they can produce until you're burnt to a crisp, which isn't very quickly. Not to mention the pain if you survive and the possibility of burning wherever you are down with you
Any method reliant on exsanguination, though it's possible to bleed out with little to no pain at all we can't reliably cause this ourselves. The wounds you make will be incredibly painful
swb and conscious drowning. Drowning is not pleasant
ODs on most things, especially OTC or street. You either can't tell the dosage or it's unsure (and has severe side effects).
I tried a week long OD on... ibuprofen I think? Point was to OD every day for a week, as the body could handle just one, but multiple slowly overpowers it and causes total organ shutdown. I sure as hell fucked up my body, but I'm still here. Possibly if I took more it would've worked, but it wasn't peaceful
Any method reliant on exsanguination, though it's possible to bleed out with little to no pain at all we can't reliably cause this ourselves. The wounds you make will be incredibly painful
swb and conscious drowning. Drowning is not pleasant
ODs on most things, especially OTC or street. You either can't tell the dosage or it's unsure (and has severe side effects).
I tried a week long OD on... ibuprofen I think? Point was to OD every day for a week, as the body could handle just one, but multiple slowly overpowers it and causes total organ shutdown. I sure as hell fucked up my body, but I'm still here. Possibly if I took more it would've worked, but it wasn't peaceful
May I ask you to rephrase that? Are you asking or telling me? To be clear, I was speaking my opinion in general terms.
If asking, you nor I are ever going to live long enough to address every single possible combination and outcome. If you want hard data, that information is already available to you on this site, and elsewhere.
Letmego. Please
Wizard
- Nov 18, 2018
- 619
Don't jump off anything unless you can properly fly on the way down, learnt that one the hard way.
Personally even when bonkers enough to jump i could only do it if no one would see me splat, same goes for trains, yes i'd do it, but i can't be the cause of someone else's suffering so its a no go for me.
I used to want a nice way where i could just go to sleep, but after waking up in icu a few times feeling even shitter for having taken a bed needed by someone who did want to live, i have defaulted back to my thoughts as a nipper (when i jumped) that i don't really care anymore about the method as such, as long as I'm dead at the end then thats all that matters, a little or a lot of suffering along the way to me is now irreverent verses the pain both physical & mental cause me. Strangly spending the last 26yrs swallowing vast amounts of prescribed morphine isn't as much fun as it sounds....Well some of it was fun at least lol
Personally even when bonkers enough to jump i could only do it if no one would see me splat, same goes for trains, yes i'd do it, but i can't be the cause of someone else's suffering so its a no go for me.
I used to want a nice way where i could just go to sleep, but after waking up in icu a few times feeling even shitter for having taken a bed needed by someone who did want to live, i have defaulted back to my thoughts as a nipper (when i jumped) that i don't really care anymore about the method as such, as long as I'm dead at the end then thats all that matters, a little or a lot of suffering along the way to me is now irreverent verses the pain both physical & mental cause me. Strangly spending the last 26yrs swallowing vast amounts of prescribed morphine isn't as much fun as it sounds....Well some of it was fun at least lol
Sanguinius
Chicken of ss
- Aug 9, 2018
- 291
Cut your wrists. I've tried it, and there is really too much blood to find the artery...
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