Discussion What is your view on 'Recovery'? Poll

[Forever Sleep]

How do you feel about 'recovery'? I'm curious to ask this question in the suicidal section because I think our ideas towards it vary.

I think some people believe suicidal ideation can be banished. I think some think it's possible for others but not for them. I think some people reject the idea of recovery all together because, they don't see anything wrong with how they think.

Do you also ever view recovery as simply compliance with this world and its values? Learn to become like everyone else- get a job, a mortgage, a family. Learn to enjoy the things everyone else likes but most importantly- earn money and pay taxes while you do all that. I think some people reject this idea of 'recovery' because- that's what it likely leads to and, they simply don't want to be a part of that system.

Where do you stand? You can vote for more than one option... I guess I was fascinated to see just how many people equate recovery with compliance.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Do you also ever view recovery as simply compliance with this world and its values? Learn to become like everyone else- get a job, a mortgage, a family. Learn to enjoy the things everyone else likes but most importantly- earn money and pay taxes while you do all that.

No. I don't i could simply just conform like everyone else does, having gone so far to question my own existence, why else would i just willingly set it aside to be just like everyone else.

There's nothing wrong in the way i think therefore recovery doesn't make sense.

 

[peacefulexit]

My health is simply too bad.

 

[rozeske]

Unlike some people i don't really believe everyone should just go ahead and die ASAP :) i don't see a problem in seeking recovery or in searching for things to prolong your stay here. Depending on your suicidality and what brought them on, one could find things to help them recover or change their mind and opinion all together or extend the time to commit. I personally had the thoughts for many years but wasn't really comfortable to cross the line due to several reasons. Now that I have done and tried all that I could, I finally feel content and at peace with my decision to ctb.

 

[LifeTransit_1]

For me nobody really "recovers" from being suicidal. You always have the bad memories stuck with you forever... whether it's depression, abuse, etc those were major points in your life.

I also reject the system life uses and life itself. Too many people out there that are "fake nice" and life only rewards those who get rich fast instead of the majority who works for big corporations as their little pawns or slaves and BARELY reach ends meet/lives paycheck to paycheck.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Idk which options to choose. "Recovery" is very individual and complex. The earlier a recovery attempt is started the better it is for a possible success but never a guarantee.

In my case I could see a way of recovery but it would also mean that I have to accept things that I do not want to accept or give up on things for sth (education / job) that most likely won't make me happy in the end. There's no incentive. I'm also not against the system. I don't care about which system is there as long as I can profit from it but I do not support "the system" when only others are profiting of me. I'm also not a burden to "the system" bc I would never apply for welfare - that's not a life I want to live.

Now, I voted for 2. I think it can be possible to recover from suicidal ideation but my circumstances make it unlikely.

 

[Tokugawa_Yoshinobu]

Recovery can be achieved and I view suicide more as a last resort or way to escape. I made my descision that I won't recover and that with my ways I won't be able conform/fit into society. But I see nothing inherently wrong with life itself. Just know it doesn't work for everyone.

 

[Shrike]

I'm not looking for removing ideation, tbh. I am looking to reduce pain, and for that, I find recovery valid. I can't really vote for any of these options since they frame it as ideation being the only thing worth recovering from.

Most modern "recovery" is indeed in compliance with how the world works, which is why I think it's very valuable to have alternative forms of recovery. I detest false hope or buying into a rat race as something positive.

 

[leavingthesoultrap]

It's case by case. So people might fully recover, some will keep having suicidal thoughts from time to time and have to learn how to live it

 

[falling_snow]

im in recovery and all types of therapy. its not working but i might give it a chance.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

For me nobody really "recovers" from being suicidal. You always have the bad memories stuck with you forever... whether it's depression, abuse, etc those were major points in your life.

This is a good point and I have an own theory about this. The longer we are trapped in thinking-loops the better they get hard-coded into our brains and as our brains work on a chemical reaction basis it can become impossible to break up such loops that were created over many years and sometimes decades.

 

[walkingdead2023]

I don't think I can recover! I believe like the majority voted it depends but in my case I live with since I was 13 it's not something you can just stop. depression, suicidal ideations anxiety, etc, you can't really delete but you can manage so we can manage how we feel but it's not going to go away! In fact if you have suicidal ideation while young, you will end up dying by suicide even if takes years… it's just my personal opinion

 

[Captive_Mind515]

This is a good point and I have an own theory about this. The longer we are trapped in thinking-loops the better they get hard-coded into our brains and as our brains work on a chemical reaction basis it can become impossible to break up such loops that were created over many years and sometimes decades.

It's a bit like you've opened a door in your mind, that can never be fully closed again.

The thought of this doesn't really trouble me though. Even if I was happy to stick around for an extended period, I would still like the fact that my mind is open to checking out on my own terms when the time feels right.

 

[Forever Sleep]

This is a good point and I have an own theory about this. The longer we are trapped in thinking-loops the better they get hard-coded into our brains and as our brains work on a chemical reaction basis it can become impossible to break up such loops that were created over many years and sometimes decades.

I have a feeling this is true also. I oten think of ideation in terms of that amazing quote from the film: 'The Matrix': 'Like a splinter in your mind.'

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I don't think that recovery is a one size fits all thing. It's a different case for everybody. Some people just can't recover because either they suffer from something that will stay with them throughout their entire life, other people can recover to where they become pro life and invalidate us like the other pro lifers or some people can recover partially but not completely.

In all cases, I don't really mind or negatively judge them if they decide to ctb instead. Even with the possibility of recovery, ctb is still a personal choice

In my case, I don't want to recover because recovering just means that I perpetually suffer in this world, that I didn't ask to be in mind you, until I'm dead by natural causes (which could be old age). I think that, in my case, death is my recovery... the ultimate recovery from life and the decades beyond in which I'll suffer through were I to continue living

 

[FuneralCry]

I find it very insulting when people act like wanting to die is something to "recover" from and the view that it is, is just pro-life brainwashing and delusions. It's insulting when people act like wanting to die is an "illness" when in reality the true problem will always lie in existence itself.

I see the true insane ones as those who wish to decay from age in this futile and cruel existence where there is no limit as to how much one can suffer. To me the term "recovery" means people choosing to delude themselves as in my case wanting to die is simply being aware, it means being aware of how truly undesirable existence is and how it causes nothing but harm.

The fact that life exists in the first place is such an horrific tragedy, existence is an abomination and humans truly are such a repulsive species with how they so selfishly procreate despite existence being nothing but suffering and label those as "ill" for wishing to be permanently relieved from having the ability to suffer. In my case wishing to not exist is all that makes sense, I only see the state of non-existence as being ideal as it's the absence of all suffering and harm.

 

[UKscotty]

Even those who recover have a much higher risk of suicide for the rest of their life.

Depression is extremely complicated and it permanently messes up the brain and the parts that make life joyful.

I have met many people on here and in real life over the years who appeared to be getting well, the next thing they have hanged themselves.

Without significant investment by the governments and pharmaceutical companies not much will change soon. They would rather us just be dead as they see us as a burden.

 

[twin size mattress]

I both simultaneously want to recover and reject recovery. Sometimes i feel like i can recover and im just not trying hard enough but most of the time i'd rather just die because i dont see much point in being alive or being part of this world's system.

 

[Trakehner]

Part of me wishes to recover, but given severity and permanence of my issues, it will never happen. At best, I can numb the pain until I finally end it all.

Part of me also views recovery as submission to a society that I detest. I have no desire to live a "normal" life or abide by social norms. I'll always be hater for things I have no control over so it's better to just not engage.

 

[dinosavr]

I think we can all agree that life is hard but dying isn't as easy as it may seem either.
So I'm trying to believe in recovery but it seems quite unlikely to imagine myself changing my mind completely and not wanting to die anymore. It feels like it went too far & I'll never not want it.

Anyway, even though I've kind of always wanted to disappear, I'm quite new to wanting to actually do something to me myself. So I think it's only fair to give recovery a try. I still have some energy left to do that so I've got literally nothing to lose.

 

[Unknown21]

Recovery is possible for many. Some will recover with some minor, chronic thoughts, but they can deal with them, and some will recover completely (if their motivation for suicide is external and not related to trauma, mental illness, or abuse).
In my case, I do not believe that recovery is possible due to my very difficult financial circumstances, mental illness, and the trauma that I went through...etc.
Sometimes I feel comfortable and that my suicidal thoughts have calmed down a lot, but soon severe suicidal attacks begin, so I realized that in the end they are false hopes that my mind wants to believe (SI), and that I will not live the life I want.

 

[cold_severance]

i dont believe theres recovery from si. its like when people say that they changed, but what really changed is the circumstances. its the same principle here, that circumstances may change and you wont be suicidal. but still once you reach the conclusion that suicide is the answer its always be there like that

 

[InAgony]

I think it depends what's causing the person to feel suicidal. If it's something temporary, I think they can recover and go on to live a happy life, but in my case, no, I think I will forever be suicidal.

 

[Gonnerr]

I hope i recover but for how long , life is not that good when you get old.

 

[k1w1]

I find it very insulting when people act like wanting to die is something to "recover" from and the view that it is, is just pro-life brainwashing and delusions. It's insulting when people act like wanting to die is an "illness" when in reality the true problem will always lie in existence itself.

I see the true insane ones as those who wish to decay from age in this futile and cruel existence where there is no limit as to how much one can suffer. To me the term "recovery" means people choosing to delude themselves as in my case wanting to die is simply being aware, it means being aware of how truly undesirable existence is and how it causes nothing but harm.

The fact that life exists in the first place is such an horrific tragedy, existence is an abomination and humans truly are such a repulsive species with how they so selfishly procreate despite existence being nothing but suffering and label those as "ill" for wishing to be permanently relieved from having the ability to suffer. In my case wishing to not exist is all that makes sense, I only see the state of non-existence as being ideal as it's the absence of all suffering and harm.

Oh come on now.....people go through periods of ideation, preparation, and....most find enough fulfilment in life to delay or cancel them. In a way, living to post lengthy slogans here is an example of a 'horrific tragedy'. You dont engage in discussion or talk about methods. Maybe a little unrealistic to wish not to exist as you are indeed here. I hope for a response and I say this with some empathy.