What is the point of suffering?

[hikikomorizombie]

You do have to know what's pain, what does it feel like to get hurt, what does burning yourself feels like. 3rd degree burn is an extreme example but breaking it down it shows the same thing you're arguing against.

huh?it's honestly impressive u managed to come to that conclusion. the whole point is yeah it hurts, but i don't need to feel the specific pain from it to know that it'll hurt & i don't want to experience it.

i don't need to be attacked by a great white shark to know it'll be awful & i don't want to experience it. u don't need to feel a specific type of pain to know u don't want to feel that specific type of pain. just like suffering.

 

[Meteora]

I've been asking friends and family what is the point of living if ones life is always suffering and no joy? Nobody can answer me..

I d say suffering is always hard. Ok, there is people who seem to make suffering to their identity. I definitly don't belong to them. But apart from that, suffering is hard and you deserve support. Sometimes we have to let go of a picture of how we see ourselves or how we want to be in the future. Some things turn out differnetly than we wish but they can still be good.

 

[Bianka]

u don't need to feel a specific type of pain to know u don't want to feel that specific type of pain. just like suffering.

Do you consider suffering "specific"?

 

[hikikomorizombie]

Do you consider suffering "specific"?

.....yesi don't consider it to be, it is. suffering's diff for each person & caused by diff situations specifically experienced by that person. even the typical 'i h8 my job' suffering that every person feels is specific to how that person feels it.

 

[Bianka]

@hikikomorizombie
What are you even saying? Yes suffering is different for everyone. Just as happiness or love. But we're talking generally here. Not specifically. The question wasn't "what's the point of this specific suffering?" nor did I said "this specific suffering puts this other specific joy into perspective"
I'm guessing you also don't use such words as hunger because everyone experiences it differenently to various degrees

 

[hikikomorizombie]

@hikikomorizombie
What are you even saying? Yes suffering is different for everyone. Just as happiness or love. But we're talking generally here. Not specifically. The question wasn't "what's the point of this specific suffering?" nor did I said "this specific suffering puts this other specific joy into perspective"
I'm guessing you also don't use such words as hunger because everyone experiences it differenently to various degrees

.....i answered ur question abt is suffering specific, & explained how it is. what's not clicking for u?? if you're confused just reread our convo

idk if you're purposely being obtuse or u just are, but yes, even hunger can be specific. very hungry/starving/a little hungry. i explained my point for u multiple times, u haven't proved yours onceso i should be asking u 'what are u even saying?' i don't think u even know, lmfao.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Unless you can someone draw a sense of meaning from enduring for enduring's sake, there is no point.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

@hikikomorizombie
What are you even saying? Yes suffering is different for everyone. Just as happiness or love. But we're talking generally here. Not specifically. The question wasn't "what's the point of this specific suffering?" nor did I said "this specific suffering puts this other specific joy into perspective"
I'm guessing you also don't use such words as hunger because everyone experiences it differenently to various degrees

Simple scenario:

If 100 people are at a party, having the time of their life…

And outside on the street, these happy people witness a horrible accident and Someone is in terrible agony…

Do they keep partying and having a great time, or do they go outside to help alleviate the person's suffering?

Most people will stop partying, because even one person suffering is more consequential than 100 people being happy. The suffering has more intrinsic value than the happiness. It has much greater significance.

Deep down instinctively, we all know this. But yet we perpetuate suffering in this life, and even promote it as being virtuous to suffer. It's a lie we tell ourselves, because we are stuck in a toxic addictive game.

Happiness is merely a distraction from the higher value affliction that is suffering. A brief reprieve if you will… and of course we all pursue it to one degree or another, because who the hell would not want relief from suffering? No matter how fleeting the experience may be.

 

[whitefeather]

huh?it's honestly impressive u managed to come to that conclusion. the whole point is yeah it hurts, but i don't need to feel the specific pain from it to know that it'll hurt & i don't want to experience it.

i don't need to be attacked by a great white shark to know it'll be awful & i don't want to experience it. u don't need to feel a specific type of pain to know u don't want to feel that specific type of pain. just like suffering.

I've been asking friends and family what is the point of living if ones life is always suffering and no joy? Nobody can answer me..

I've been asking friends and family what is the point of living if ones life is always suffering and no joy? Nobody can answer

I've been asking friends and family what is the point of living if ones life is always suffering and no joy? Nobody can answer me

There is no point except to generate loosh for the archons (if you believe in prison planet theory)

THE HUMAN BODY CREATES ITS OWN COCAINE WHEN CAUSING HARM TO ANOTHER LIFEFORM. WHEN A HUMAN HARMS ANOTHER LIFEFORM - THEY GET A RUSH OF COCAINE ! HUMANS ARE JUNKIES .

Unless you can someone draw a sense of meaning from enduring for enduring's sake, there is no point.

Meaning is a FAIRY TALE humans cling to . Life is not about humans. Anthropocentrism is delusion.

 

[Bianka]

@hikikomorizombie
You didn't say anything tho. You're "point" is trying prove an argument I never made in the first place while completely ignoring to adress anything I wrote, but sure. Let's leave it at that. We don't want you all worked up
@Captive_Mind515
I'm not saiyng it's equivalent. I'm saying you wouldn't know one without the other. Just as breathing would have a different meaning to us if we would randomly suffocate for 5 minutes every day

 

[VoidedExistence]

point of my suffering is to face the consequence of all the bad decisions i have made in my life, i fucking deserve it all i deserve all the fucking pain and misery and suffering in the world but i would also like to escape this shithole

 

[cryone]

Most people will stop partying, because even one person suffering is more consequential than 100 people being happy. The suffering has more intrinsic value than the happiness. It has much greater significance.

i dont think this is a fair conclusion. They'd likely stop partying because it's a social norm to n just the distance to the situation. i mean millions of people are getting abused in sweatshops n working their ass off to get a meal n unable to afford health treatment etc, but I'm pretty sure 99% of people who can help aren't going out of their way to n donating their spare change to do so.

i think humans do interpret suffering to be worse than happiness, (i.e. would you be willing to have the shittiest, most agonizing day ever for the best, most euphoric day ever? n most people would rather not take the deal) however, we don't give a shit if it isn't ourself suffering.

 

[logi3535]

as other people said, i guess it really is just the fact that "suffering builds character" and "hardships form who you are" but i don't think a lot of people are willing to admit that some suffering exists just as an obstacle, theres nothing to gain from it nor is there nothing to learn from it other than that it happened, life honestly just sucks sometimes, and it doesn't always get better like people say, even fi i do hope it does for myself and others

 

[dreambound]

i think the amount of suffering in the modern world is staggering. Many adapt if they can, & normalize it by thinking it has some
purpose, which contributes to why it takes so long to get any effective legislation like MAID to be accepted by the masses.

........humanity has the tools to make life alot better for alot of people, but the more people in the world, the more differcult
that becomes.
Schopenhauer said ...'to minimize the pain of life, the safest way of not being very miserable is to not expect to be very happy'

 

[gemineye]

The point of life is that your dad didn't wear a condom, and your mom didn't do an abortion.

(Feel free to disregard this if it sounds offensive, I'm autistic and direct. I bitch to my mom constantly about the abortion - don't talk to my dad though.)

My mother wants me gone. I can't fight against that force anymore. I've told her she should have aborted me. Piercing headache and chest pains all day. Last post. I don't want to wake up here again. I want to go home.

 

[Morte]

When people talk about goals with me, I feel this anger simmering in the back of my mind, but i cant find words to properly explain why this happen.
Mayble because people have become so attached to the futile existence. They keep pushing expectations on me, as if this were relevant to something, as if I wanted this. They don't realize we don't even need to exist, nor did we ask for it, yet they expect us to feel some sort of obligation to stay here.
I see my family constantly talking about dreams and goals and getting mad at my lack of effort, until I suddenly kill myself, making everything they wanted me to be redundant (as it always was). Seeing it this way, suicide feels like an act of rebellion to all the demands and a complete deconstruction of every existentialist view that has always been pushed on us. No wonder its such a taboo

 

[divinemistress36]

My mother wants me gone. I can't fight against that force anymore. I've told her she should have aborted me. Piercing headache and chest pains all day. Last post. I don't want to wake up here again. I want to go home.

I'm so sorry your mom isn't a good person. Everyone deserves to feel love from their mother