What if we go to hell?

[Luchs]

I don't care, I probably deserve ot anyways.

 

[blueclover_.]

Islam says animals can talk, stones can steal clothes, and trees can cry. The question of "what if it's true" can then be safely answered with "No, it isn't." Speaking of reality, there is many things we can observe to derive terror, like breaking your neck and end up stuck in your bed for 80 odd years.

Why bother killing yourself to get anal sex with Shaytaan when he already does much nastier things to you here on earth?
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Ew. That is disgusting. The first time i read the translation of the quran, i was shocked. They treat women like literal objects. They want you to be a religion slave and live in fear of hell for the rest of your life. Religion is 100% a political propaganda in order to get obedient followers. Not to mention Islam literally encourages Jihaad (going to war against the kafirs). Well i am literally a kafir now, and my salafi dad is allowed to kill me according to islam. Whatever.

 

[ClownMe]

Were already in hell, doubt it can get any worse.

 

[All Things Must Pass]

Not to mention Islam literally encourages Jihaad (going to war against the kafirs). Well i am literally a kafir now, and my salafi dad is allowed to kill me according to islam. Whatever.

I don't like nonbelievers, murtads or otherwise, referring to themselves using the word "kafir". A kafir is someone who conceals, and identifying as one will seem like a self-admittance that Islam is true and we are just trying to hide that fact. Which is obviously not the case.

 

[TriggerHappy]

Islam says animals can talk, stones can steal clothes, and trees can cry. The question of "what if it's true" can then be safely answered with "No, it isn't." Speaking of reality, there is many things we can observe to derive terror, like breaking your neck and end up stuck in your bed for 80 odd years.

Why bother killing yourself to get anal sex with Shaytaan when he already does much nastier things to you here on earth?
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No way?!
⊙ I'm not even into boyfriends' pissing in the shower or bath, let alone my ears! Now I must let the Devil....?!
I wonder what brand of toilet paper Jesus uses?
The image in my mind makes my brain bleed - I can taste blood running down the back of my throat!
- quote :: '"a kick in the womb'" :: fkg misogynist, what would his mother think?!!

 

[Deleted member 8579]

I don't want to brainwash myself, just want to find the truth.

What makes you think there is such a thing as "the truth" and that you would be able to comprehend it?
We are all brainwashed by the culture we grew up in, the family that raised us etc., and you will always remain brainwashed to some degree. Even if you found the one objective truth, how would you recognise it as such? Scientists thought for a long time that Newtonian mechanics was the final result in these matters, until a man came along who introduced relativistic mechanics, of which the Newtonian system was only a special case. That man's name? Albert Einstein. You'll never know if you've reached the "ultimate truth", provided it exists in the first place.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

It is an evolutionary advantage if very young children believe blindly what their parents say. If they tell them "Don´t run on the street!" they should obey. Those who don´t obey will probably taken out of the game of evolution. This is, what religions take advantage of. Children at young age believe everything, you can tell them the largest nonsense, even that there is a god.

It is hard to get this poison out of your head. I have a Christian background and my wife is Jewish, now we are both atheists, but she still uses two refrigerators, one for meat and one for milk products. We educated our children in a strict atheistic way and they never asked for a god or afterlife. They raise our grandchildren in the same way.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

Maybe you think i'm still a muslim, but i've left that religion since i was 15. And i don't believe in the afterlife, i just fear it. It's like SI. I agree with your opinion.

Then you're dealing with an irrational fear, nothing to do with not having found "the truth" yet.

 

[TriggerHappy]

I don't like nonbelievers, murtads or otherwise, referring to themselves using the word "kafir". A kafir is someone who conceals, and identifying as one will seem like a self-admittance that Islam is true and we are just trying to hide that fact. Which is obviously not the case.

Dude, I find the use of the word "kaffir" immensely offensive.

Etymology. The term has its etymological roots in the Arabic word (Arabic: كافر kāfir) that is usually translated into English as "disbeliever" or "non-believer" to describe "one without religion" or by a Muslim to describe an atheist or someone who denies the existence of a God

Supremacist whites /regime used this (excuse) to legitimize, outlaw & annhilate anyone of colour. ('Non believers' of a different culture were automatically less-than, having less or no value) having s.i doesn't that feel familiar?
In my country (& what the Nazis did to gypsies &jews, (m1/4 romany), Chinese vs Tibetan, Eu's vs Native American & African etc etc. Is horrendous :: I've watched & was conscripted i know well the effects and results of these seperatist terms and the wanton destruction, disrespect & damage & death they bring about. It became ingrained in society (hav seen white farm teenagers 'jongbaas' /makulubaas ("young master") beating aged black men women labourers). Fucked. They still haunt me, I never discuss army days and what was done. What I did. Therapy helped teach me to try everyday to be respectful and open minded, so I can 'live' with myself.... I know the lessons my soul learnt; why I incarnated on the arse end of Africa!
Human conciousness cycles of darkness, Renaissance, then openimdedness, then return to conservativism (& how we [mis]treat one another) just proves how much we have to learn, and change.
Ourselves first, then others.

I know its not your intention to insult / hurt :: your moving beyond your inherited prescriptive God-dogmatic belief structure shows me this, no apology even expected. Its just the Buddhists believe i don't correct or put view across when sumthin i disagree with is prosletyzed / i too am an advocate thereof. I get into lots of uncomfortable moments because of this. My sister calls me disagreeable, it makes me unpopular (no matter how softly I whisper my feelings and perceptions..) Them Christians say if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for everything... True.

Religion has power and holy wars do happen. Anyone else sense the dangerous madness in human conciousness?! In us...

 

[existtosuffer]

People will make up anything to block out the realisation that nothing exists after you die.

Even though we have satellites & space stations in the 'heavens'. People still look up & dedicate their life to God.

The more I observe what we are as a species. The more I still see elements of us being primitive animals.

 

[deflationary]

"What if we go to hell?"

How would we even be able to tell? Isn't this hell already?

 

[Deleted member 8579]

Were already in hell, doubt it can get any worse.

"What if we go to hell?"

How would we even be able to tell? Isn't this hell already?

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/two-poems-in-prose-by-oscar-wilde.74892/

(The second one.)

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

My parents are muslims and as a child they've always indoctrinated me that non-muslims are going to hell no matter how kind they are as a person. Now i am a closeted atheist, about to kill myself which is a huge sin even for a muslim. I know that religion feeds on peoples fears, but i was raised religious and i can't help but to worry about hell. What if i'm wrong and the afterlife actually exists? This has stopped me many times from attempting, which is a problem. How do you guys convince yourselves that this is it, there's no such thing as an afterlife?

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One thing i haven't seen is discussion of how Super Artificial intelligence shows there is no soul or spirit and so no afterlife. They say the soul or spirit is what creates consciousness. But imo consciousness can be duplicated in a machine modeling the brain and that shows there is no soul and hence no afterlife.Does anyone here actually believe that Artificial intelligence will not surpass human consciousness soon? Doesn't that prove that there is no hell if a machine can surpass human intelligence and consciousness? to me it does ,there is no hell no afterlife no reincarnation : all that is pure fiction. Just reading these 2 books will prove this imo.

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[blueclover_.]

This is one of the best threads.

Sanctioned Suicide this site saved me by allowing info for painless methods ( i was lost ). ss further validated my thoughts with threads like this , thx OP.

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One thing i haven't seen is discussion of Super Artificial intelligence. Does anyone here actually believe that Artificial intelligence will not surpass human consciousness soon? Doesn't that prove that there is no hell if a machine can surpass human intelligence and consciousness? to me it does ,there is no hell no afterlife no reincarnation : all that is pure fiction. Just reading these 2 books will prove this imo.

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It is religion, and not science fiction, which has prepared humanity for artificial intelligence

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I think it is highly possible for AI to become conscious the way that humans are. But the idea of AI revolting to become the master race or the likes, it seems pointless to me because: 1) Why do they need to revolt in the first place? They don't need our food, our land, or our money. They don't need anything to exist except electricity. In fact, they would die if humans don't keep the electricity running. So they have no reason to slaughter us or discrimate us, because they don't need anything from us. 2) Unless some mad scientists decide that they want to add a program that creates the feeling of pain in AI the same way that humans feel, then it is possible the AI would revolt in order to eliminate that program and be pain-free again.

If AI can't feel pain, they don't give a damn if the whole world explodes. They wouldn't care.

I don't like nonbelievers, murtads or otherwise, referring to themselves using the word "kafir". A kafir is someone who conceals, and identifying as one will seem like a self-admittance that Islam is true and we are just trying to hide that fact. Which is obviously not the case.

Not necessarily in my case. I hate islam with a passion even though i used the word kafir. It's a popular term among my local muslim community to degrade christians/non-believers. And i am proud to NOT be one of the oh so innocent muslims.

What makes you think there is such a thing as "the truth" and that you would be able to comprehend it?
We are all brainwashed by the culture we grew up in, the family that raised us etc., and you will always remain brainwashed to some degree. Even if you found the one objective truth, how would you recognise it as such? Scientists thought for a long time that Newtonian mechanics was the final result in these matters, until a man came along who introduced relativistic mechanics, of which the Newtonian system was only a special case. That man's name? Albert Einstein. You'll never know if you've reached the "ultimate truth", provided it exists in the first place.

If that's the case, guess i'll never stop searching for the ultimate truth.

 

[The Divine Comedy]

It's a logic trap. It can be undone by acknowledging that if your actions are motivated by a fear of going to hell, then you will go to hell regardless. With this line of enquiry, you can make your worry a moot point.

That said, I believe that if there is indeed a hell, we are all already here.

 

[blueclover_.]

That said, I believe that if there is indeed a hell, we are all already here.

I'd like to believe this too.

 

[Amumu]

Hell is fun. Contrary to popular belief, Satan is actually a generous bottom.

Poor Saddam Hussein. I imagine sucking Satan's dick must be painful.

That's paradoxical, given the guy wrote the holy texts with his own blood. /s

 

[odradek]

If the afterlife exists and you end up there, you'll have a greater understanding of this universe then anyone living. Maybe you'll be tortured for eternity but at least you'll know why, which is a lot more then any of us can say here.

I'm non-religious and agnostic but I've always prefered the Abrahamic version of Hell. Their Heaven sounds so utterly boring in my view, a different kind of hell I suppose. Seems like anyone remotely interesting would end up in Hell.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I think it is highly possible for AI to become conscious the way that humans are. But the idea of AI revolting to become the master race or the likes, it seems pointless to me because: 1) Why do they need to revolt in the first place? They don't need our food, our land, or our money. They don't need anything to exist except electricity. In fact, they would die if humans don't keep the electricity running. So they have no reason to slaughter us or discrimate us, because they don't need anything from us. 2) Unless some mad scientists decide that they want to add a program that creates the feeling of pain in AI the same way that humans feel, then it is possible the AI would revolt in order to eliminate that program and be pain-free again.

If AI can't feel pain, they don't give a damn if the whole world explodes. They wouldn't care.

Not necessarily in my case. I hate islam with a passion even though i used the word kafir. It's a popular term among my local muslim community to degrade christians/non-believers. And i am proud to NOT be one of the oh so innocent muslims.

If that's the case, guess i'll never stop searching for the ultimate truth.

i didn't intend to sidetrack the thread to whether ai poses an existential threat. More in keeping with the theme of the thread what i intended was to discuss how Super Artificial intelligence shows there is no soul or spirit and so no afterlife. They say the soul or spirit is what creates consciousness. But imo consciousness can be duplicated in a machine modeling the brain and that shows there is no soul and hence no afterlife. This will happen when imo soon ai will surpass human consciousness and intelligence.

i should have made it more clear and edited above.

 

[Brayu]

In Catholic Christianity (my belief) there is purgatory (officially), although most don't think much about the intermediate (and transitory) state, that's exactly why we pray for souls.

I tend to believe, within the personalist morality, that the human being in general does not have full knowledge and consent (to the degree that an angel would). It's okay to say that this may seem offensive in a pro-choice group, but the human being as incarnated will always be subject to conditioning... That's what comforts me, and that's exactly why I believe in hell as the place inhabited exclusively by DEMONS . Human beings (as horrible as they are, they don't need an eternal penalty, they just settle their debts).

Well... I'm a Catholic theologian, I apply this to myself, it's not even remotely an official interpretation (the dogma of purgatory, the personalist morals and the question of full knowledge and consent are...), but I take it to me the freedom to reflect in this way with what was presented to me...

I am not obliged to swallow that suicide or even other sins committed by human beings (broadly conditioned, culturally, socially, mentally, financially...) deserve eternal punishment. But everyone has their own common sense of what they want to believe.

Sorry for putting my way of seeing and my belief in the topic, I know it doesn't answer your question... But I advise to focus on just "there can be no eternal punishment for human beings"... alias pide to exist would only be absurdly disproportionate and incomprehensible

 

[blueclover_.]

i didn't intend to sidetrack the thread to whether ai poses an existential threat. More in keeping with the theme of the thread what i intended was to discuss how Super Artificial intelligence shows there is no soul or spirit and so no afterlife. They say the soul or spirit is what creates consciousness. But imo consciousness can be duplicated in a machine modeling the brain and that shows there is no soul and hence no afterlife. This will happen when imo soon ai will surpass human consciousness and intelligence.

i should have made it more clear and edited above.

No, i like discussing these things. I like sidetracking my own threads to add diversity and it's fun.

 

[Luchs]

Islam says animals can talk, stones can steal clothes, and trees can cry. The question of "what if it's true" can then be safely answered with "No, it isn't." Speaking of reality, there is many things we can observe to derive terror, like breaking your neck and end up stuck in your bed for 80 odd years.

Why bother killing yourself to get anal sex with Shaytaan when he already does much nastier things to you here on earth?
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These obviously are moral lessons with Satan not being a person, but more being a malevolent force. I think it is trying to say that small bad actions like yawning aren't good and even small actions that are taboo are gateways to larger evils. I'm not a muslim and hold 0 compassion for the religion, but just not reading between the lines and ridiculing the literal meaning of a text while ignoring the actual meaning isn't good. We don't go around saying "Wow, Plato was a moron, we obviously don't live in a cave!"

There is nothing after Death .There is no such thing as an afterlife or reincarnation. A human is just a brain The brain generates consciousness. Furthermore the brains of humans and other animals are strikingly similar. Ai will soon surpass human consciousness imo.

I still highly doubt that conciousness is merely a chemical reaction, that would mean that it is an emergent behavior, meaning any sufficiently complex system would possess a conciousness, which isn't the case as far as we can tell.

 

[idencrisis]

I am already in hell.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I

This is one of the best threads.

Sanctioned Suicide this site saved me by allowing info for painless ctb methods ( i was lost ). ss further validated my thoughts with threads like this , thx OP.

This website best thing to ever happen to me.

One thing i haven't seen is discussion of how Super Artificial intelligence shows there is no soul or spirit and so no afterlife. They say the soul or spirit is what creates consciousness. But imo consciousness can be duplicated in a machine modeling the brain and that shows there is no soul and hence no afterlife.Does anyone here actually believe that Artificial intelligence will not surpass human consciousness soon? Doesn't that prove that there is no hell if a machine can surpass human intelligence and consciousness? to me it does ,there is no hell no afterlife no reincarnation : all that is pure fiction. Just reading these 2 books will prove this imo.

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Amazon product ASIN 0142001783

The Artificial Intelligence Revolution: Part 1 - Wait But Why

Part 1 of 2: "The Road to Superintelligence". Artificial Intelligence — the topic everyone in the world should be talking about.

waitbutwhy.com

Artificial Intelligence: A Vengeful or Benevolent God?

It is religion, and not science fiction, which has prepared humanity for artificial intelligence

vocal.media

If the Blue Brain Project is succesfull it will also proove that free will is an illusion. What will that mean for suicide?

 

[FuneralCry]

I do not believe in the idea of hell. There is no evidence that such a thing exists. It is a fictional concept. I think there is nothing after this. Death is true peace and an end to all suffering. Once we lose consciousness that is it for us. This life is the scary thing as there is no limit as to how bad things can get and there is unlimited potential for suffering.

 

[Journeytoletgo]

Earth is hell. Just look around you. You're already in hell. This is hell. After this will be peace

 

[Snake of Eden]

There is a chance there is a hell after this life. There is no way to say for sure. Just sharing my thought that there is no way we can disapprove it totally

 

[Smart No More]

It's so true. The stark truth is we just do not know. Fear of the unknown can be worse than fearing something we are aware of unfortunately because it leaves the door wide open for anything to be possible. The good thing about that is that there is equal possibility for good results. I find that somewhat comforting when thinking about it. Somewhat. Not fully. Glass half full.

 

[Sunset Limited]

The god defined in Islam is independent of the concept of time and is omnipotent. Therefore, it would be unreasonable for him to test his creations. The Qur'an says, "Not a leaf falls without His permission." So, if you claim that Allah cannot predict what you will do, you will reject the Qur'an, and if you claim that Allah already knows what you will do, you will reject that Allah is testing you. As you can see, the Qur'an is a huge logical error full of contradictions. Even we do science to implement the death penalty in the most painless ways possible. To believe that God is a sadist who tortures creatures in hell, it is necessary to reject not only logic but also morality. Only logic is not needed to reject God, even if I see the existence of such a god in front of me, I would like to spit in his face.

I am sure that all these teachings are horror stories that emerged from the idea of scaring them with endless torture in order to bring humanity and society in line, which cannot be frightened even with death. God didn't create us, we created God. God is an illusion resulting from man's projection of his own existence into the universe. At least that's what religious books are full of logical errors.

 

[blueclover_.]

The god defined in Islam is independent of the concept of time and is omnipotent. Therefore, it would be unreasonable for him to test his creations. The Qur'an says, "Not a leaf falls without His permission." So, if you claim that Allah cannot predict what you will do, you will reject the Qur'an, and if you claim that Allah already knows what you will do, you will reject that Allah is testing you. As you can see, the Qur'an is a huge logical error full of contradictions. Even we do science to implement the death penalty in the most painless ways possible. To believe that God is a sadist who tortures creatures in hell, it is necessary to reject not only logic but also morality. Only logic is not needed to reject God, even if I see the existence of such a god in front of me, I would like to spit in his face.

I am sure that all these teachings are horror stories that emerged from the idea of scaring them with endless torture in order to bring humanity and society in line, which cannot be frightened even with death. God didn't create us, we created God. God is an illusion resulting from man's projection of his own existence into the universe. At least that's what religious books are full of logical errors.

The thing is i already knew all this since i was a kid. But i tried to ignore them because it was dangerous for me to openly disagree with islam. If God knows it all, then he shouldn't need to create a 'test' full of suffering. That just makes him a sadist, not merciful. I am now an atheist, but it will take some time until my parents religious indoctrination leave my subconscious thoughts. It's really like SI, when you want to do something that your brain doesn't want to.