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blueclover_.

blueclover_.

Better Never to Have Been: 2006, David Benatar
Oct 11, 2021
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My parents are muslims and as a child they've always indoctrinated me that non-muslims are going to hell no matter how kind they are as a person. Now i am a closeted atheist, about to kill myself which is a huge sin even for a muslim. I know that religion feeds on peoples fears, but i was raised religious and i can't help but to worry about hell. What if i'm wrong and the afterlife actually exists? This has stopped me many times from attempting, which is a problem. How do you guys convince yourselves that this is it, there's no such thing as an afterlife?
 
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BeansOfRequirement

Man-child, loser, autistic, etc.
Jan 26, 2021
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How do you guys convince yourselves that this is it, there's no such thing as an afterlife?
You can brainwash yourself in the other direction. I recommend reading/listening to atheists for many hours.
 
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blueclover_.

Better Never to Have Been: 2006, David Benatar
Oct 11, 2021
668
You can brainwash yourself in the other direction. I recommend reading/listening to atheists for many hours.
I don't want to brainwash myself, just want to find the truth.
 
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Enigmatic Sailor

vicissitudes of fate...
Oct 29, 2021
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everydayiloveyou

Arcanist
Jul 5, 2020
490
Do you like science? It might help to learn more about human consciousness and the brain. And not the fantastical pseudoscience-y stuff, just pure hard facts like what you'd find in Wikipedia.

I'm a born-again Christian, I wasn't raised religious but all of the messages I got about the afterlife and religion and stuff usually portrayed suicide in a bad light, same with homosexuality. Since I'm gay and religious the only way you can resolve that conflict is on your own.

Something that helped me was reading the Bible and making my own interpretation of it. When you read your holy text, you might notice some things that are commonly misinterpreted or vague but often preached as being concrete and inarguable. Idk if the Quaran has an equivalent to the Amplified translation of the Bible, but if there's anything like that, definitely pick up a copy and study it critically. Think about the conflicts between the messages of love and acceptance that are often attributed to our God, and the messages of hate and conditional acceptance that modern-day believers interpret and preach.

Otherwise, it's all a matter of convincing yourself.
 
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pthnrdnojvsc

Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
Aug 12, 2019
3,329
My parents are muslims and as a child they've always indoctrinated me that non-muslims are going to hell no matter how kind they are as a person. Now i am a closeted atheist, about to kill myself which is a huge sin even for a muslim. I know that religion feeds on peoples fears, but i was raised religious and i can't help but to worry about hell. What if i'm wrong and the afterlife actually exists? This has stopped me many times from attempting, which is a problem. How do you guys convince yourselves that this is it, there's no such thing as an afterlife?
There is nothing after Death .There is no such thing as an afterlife or reincarnation. A human is just a brain The brain generates consciousness. Furthermore the brains of humans and other animals are strikingly similar. Ai will soon surpass human consciousness imo.

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blueclover_.

Better Never to Have Been: 2006, David Benatar
Oct 11, 2021
668
There is nothing after Death .There is no such thing as an afterlife or reincarnation. A human is just a brain The brain generates consciousness. Furthermore the brains of humans and other animals are strikingly similar. Ai will soon surpass the human consciousness imo.

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I agree. I think years of religious indoctrination just makes you question your own thought process. It's my subconscious telling me i could be wrong, but my conscious thoughts 100% believe that life is just a chemical reaction in the brain. Just a matter of time these childhood indoctrinations will leave me.

Anyway, i found this:
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Fascinating.
 
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Lifeispointless

Death is inevitable
Oct 29, 2021
18
If I were you I'd just come to terms with death being a part of life. I mean you're going to die one day anyway. I don't see why the way you die would affect anything.
 
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blueclover_.

Better Never to Have Been: 2006, David Benatar
Oct 11, 2021
668
If I were you I'd just come to terms with death being a part of life. I mean you're going to die one day anyway. I don't see why the way you die would affect anything.
According to islam i, as an atheist, will be forever tortured in hell if i die without faith. That doesn't sound too lovely.
 
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Idontrecognizemyself

Thank you for listening
Oct 26, 2021
79
For university I read thru Hayy Ibn Yaqzan, which I *believe* is a piece of Muslim philosophy actually, although I could be wrong! Don't quote me on this, it's been a few years haha. This story had such a major impact on my religiosity and how I think about things like afterlife (I came from a Baptist/Calvinist background, my parents sound similar to yours in their bold hell statements)
The point of this parable is that every major important part your religion and your faith should be so simple and logical that even a child could figure them out, with no outside instruction. We watch a small boy piece together what it means to be a good person from things he observes in nature. I think about this book literally every day.
When I think about hell, and suicide? What can I observe from this world, outside of the nasty rap people give CTB? I see so many kind souls here who have tried so hard, who have been put thru unimaginable hardship and suffering, and only seek peace. There is nothing in the world that leads me to believe those people are bad or deserve anything less than that eternal peace.
 
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TheHatedOne

Death is salvation
Sep 26, 2021
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If that hell exists then I'll be rockin' on the lake of fire.
 
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Idontrecognizemyself

Thank you for listening
Oct 26, 2021
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Sorry if that was ramble-y or not what you were looking for. My religion is very close to my heart and I never found answers like "just forget about this major part of your upbringing" helpful for these feelings. Wishing you the best, dear friend.
 
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blueclover_.

Better Never to Have Been: 2006, David Benatar
Oct 11, 2021
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If that hell exists then I'll be rockin' on the lake of fire.
At least you can play the floor is lava irl, or 'in real death'?

i wonder if their concept of hell is actually the volcanoes
Sorry if that was ramble-y or not what you were looking for. My religion is very close to my heart and I never found answers like "just forget about this major part of your upbringing" helpful for these feelings. Wishing you the best, dear friend.
Your reply was very helpful. As a raging nihilist, it's hard for me to 'just' forget about this major of my childhood, which is religious indoctrination. People who were raised in an atheist or secular houeholds may never know how hardwired it is to your subconscious.

Thank you. Feels nice to know someone with a similar experience.
 
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Hurt

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Nov 13, 2020
905
We are already in hell...
 
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PeacefulTonic

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Aug 10, 2021
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No one knows the answer until they get there. And that's the truth
 
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marinekiwi

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Oct 28, 2021
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The only hell there exists is right here, we live in it.
I can't imagine a realm that is actually worse than this reality
 
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Smart No More

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May 5, 2021
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My parents are muslims and as a child they've always indoctrinated me that non-muslims are going to hell no matter how kind they are as a person. Now i am a closeted atheist, about to kill myself which is a huge sin even for a muslim. I know that religion feeds on peoples fears, but i was raised religious and i can't help but to worry about hell. What if i'm wrong and the afterlife actually exists? This has stopped me many times from attempting, which is a problem. How do you guys convince yourselves that this is it, there's no such thing as an afterlife?



Well here's the thing about that.... your views are your views so whether you die with said views now or at a very old age of natural causes your views on the matter stand a good chance of being the same unless something in the way of divine intervention happens to prove the existence of your respective religion/god either way which isn't likely. Therefore you/we are going where you're/we're going whether it's now or later. It's coming either way. I too was bought up around religion which I didn't believe. It served to put me off religion more than anything but this religion preaches that its followers will be resurrected following certain events. It says that suicide is a sin and that we should respect our bodies. It also claims that a man lived inside a whale for a couple of months, that another man lost his strength because of a hair cut, (no other people had super power hair oddly) and that a man put 2 of every animal on a hand made boat before his god flooded the planet and somehow managed to avoid a single species dying as a result of either of the pairs of animals losing a male of female to breed with. Bare in mind that each of those animal (nott to mwntion the humans) would have had incestuous children repopulating the planet which is also a sin. So some pretty inconsistent rules and that just scrapes the surface. So yeah, even though these fables are ridiculous to me and just a drop in the ocean of inconsistencies I was force fed as a child I do still wonder "what if?!" because it was drilled into me at an early (some would say vulnerable) age by a violent parent with poor logic and had no alternative options. But the logic and perhaps a slightly defiant part of me says it doesn't make sense or add up. I also feel like, if the ever changing rules and expected blind faith in the face of zero proof are the creation of one god then maybe I'm not entirely going to ever see eye to eye with him and am not cut out to blindly follow based on fear of being wrong. I may never be able to please this god so my chances are slim to none wither way. I am more a man of fact and science as there is at the very least some logic and consistency and when mistakes are made and proved wrong it is accepted and documented and that is where things progress from going forward because it's fact not fable and it encourages questioning and curiosity whole heartedly. Religion is a very good way to control mankind with fears of repercussions and the promise of something better than the shit hand they may have been dealt. It just doesn't sit right with me. What does make me wonder... When I think of the expanse of space and our inability to really fully grasp the concept of an endless space.... whats out there and could there be more to our conciousness as we're seemingly the only creature in our little bubble/universe lucky enough to have it. That sits heavy in me. Because we just don't know. But going back to your question regarding heaven and hell....its pretty weird how different religions have their own form of heaven/hell scenario in one form or another but also claim to be the only true religion. Well whose hell or heaven do we go to? Which one is right? Where is this hell. Its certainly not at the centre of the earth/underground. Just think about the logic that formed the theory of heaven (up) and hell (down). It was clearly thought up before science taught us the earth was round and the expanse of space was so vast. It's the most rudimentary thinking. I'll be honest I've kind of lost my train of thought a bit as I'm kind of thinking/typing out loud so I'll go back to my original point (where I probably should have ended this) which is that with all this stuff we each have running through our minds about our respective religions that were forced upon us at an early age with no option to ask questions or to make an objective decision about it for fear of being ostracised by our families once old enough, will our view have changed by the time we die of 'natural causes'? Probably not right? So we're going where we're going it would seem. And whilst we have been very lucky to inhabit a human consciousness (which I do feel very lucky to have enjoyed and cherished for some time) are we really all that important? I just don't know but I don't really think so even though we do seem inclined to think so. The bible says we were born from dust and will return to dust. This varies from religion to religion of course. Who knows which is right. But it seems they all have their flaws so for me I think like this. Did/do I hold myself accountable for my actions? Did/do I have good intentions in my heart. Truth is I was quite selfish in my younger years and did a few things I'm not proud of. I suspect a lot of people will identify with that. I definitely turned it around in my following years and became somebody I am proud to have been and held/hold myself to a strict set of morals. Is it enough to compensate for my poor judgement and mistakes in my earlier years? I don't know. Can I still hold myself to the high standards I came to develope and hold dear? Well no unfortunately not. It eats me up inside to acknowledge that as I hold them so dearly but my health has made me useless to anybody, unable to function in the capacity I had found my stride in. I therefore have no way of further adding to the world around me. If anything I'm now a burden so judgment, if there is any, will always rest on the better me that followed my misspent youth. At this point I can do no more other than attempt to go out hurting as few people as possible and leaving in the most considerate manner possible. I can only hope I did enough to redeem myself now even though I'm inclined to think we die and that's that. I would actually love to be wrong and to continue in some form or another as I feel I had more to give before I became so unwell. Whilst I do feel somewhat selfish in my desire to end my suffering I feel I will at least remove my burden on society for the years I might live in this worsening state and if I'm to be judged I have no power to change the outcome now as I am literally just existing. I think we are probably going where we're going. Either now or later.


My apologies... I got a bit off course at the end there and focused a lot on my personal circumstances but hopefully my mianderings will ring true for yourself even though our respective religions differ. We still found ourselves in similar positions as a result of being born into religion and having no opt out options without serious repercussions. We can only judge ourselves on our individual values and how pure of heart we have been and are in the run up to our unlimate ends or transitions. I would hope that a true and just god would see the conflict within us caused by our circumstances and the desire to do right alongside our respective efforts to that end and that he is compassionate and inclined to forgive anything we may have overlooked.
 
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Heaven, send Hell away
Mar 29, 2021
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I also used to believe in hell. It sounds like you already know there isn't one, but it will take time to internalize. Without brainwashing yourself, you can easily conclude it's made up. Ask yourself, what actual reasons are there to believe a hell exists? Then ask if there is a more logical explanation for why people believe in hell anyway: indoctrination, ignorance, and religion as a sociological phenomenon.

I wish you peace if you stay or go.
 
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Brayu

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Sep 14, 2021
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According to islam i, as an atheist, will be forever tortured in hell if i die without faith. That doesn't sound too lovely.
In Catholic Christianity (my belief) there is purgatory (officially), although most don't think much about the intermediate (and transitory) state, that's exactly why we pray for souls.

I tend to believe, within the personalist morality, that the human being in general does not have full knowledge and consent (to the degree that an angel would). It's okay to say that this may seem offensive in a pro-choice group, but the human being as incarnated will always be subject to conditioning... That's what comforts me, and that's exactly why I believe in hell as the place inhabited exclusively by DEMONS . Human beings (as horrible as they are, they don't need an eternal penalty, they just settle their debts).

Well... I'm a Catholic theologian, I apply this to myself, it's not even remotely an official interpretation (the dogma of purgatory, the personalist morals and the question of full knowledge and consent are...), but I take it to me the freedom to reflect in this way with what was presented to me...

I am not obliged to swallow that suicide or even other sins committed by human beings (broadly conditioned, culturally, socially, mentally, financially...) deserve eternal punishment. But everyone has their own common sense of what they want to believe.
 
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toforigivelife

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Jul 5, 2021
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Those who have been close enough to death to have what is known as a near death experience have asserted that there is no hell, only love and a chance at redemption and that includes those who die by suicide.

People who have had these experiences have described an indescribable place and sense of coming home and unconditional love that we mortals would not be able to understand.

They have also stated that, while some experiences can start out seeming hellish, that there is no Hell. That we create our own sense of Hell and that we also have the ability to leave our self created Hell and move on to the good place and to where we need to be.

And those who feel that they have intuitive, spiritual psychic medium abilities said the same thing, that those who die by suicide are not punished and that there is no Hell.

And then there are those who say that there is nothing but a dreamless sleep after we die.

I'm not trying to encourage you to die or to do something that you have given very careful consideration, but it sounds like either way we have nothing to worry about.





 
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Raminiki

Iustitia Mortuus
Jun 12, 2020
269
I think Hell and Heaven offer a sense of moral comfort to humanity, because in reality there is no justice in life and existence. As the quote under my username says, 'Justice is dead.' God is dead. People imagine Heaven and Hell to give meaning to their suffering and sense of morality.

I enjoy reading your thoughts. They mirror conclusions I've come to as I've grown older and more jaded about reality and witnessed its unrepetent and unforgiven horrors. Nihilism and the sense of memento mori bring me great peace and put to rest the indoctrination I was subjected to and subjected myself to in order to cope with a shitty life.
 
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SuicideBoys93

I am the lord of loneliness.
Feb 10, 2020
324
The concept of being tortured because I was sent to shithole of a world filled with bad choices lying around every corner, but somehow there's a some magical ruler in the sky when it looks like the devil is running the show down here baffles me. Ultimately, I like to think I'll be reincarnated into some beautiful life, but then again the lights being turned off forever doesn't sound too bad. Let's be real, how could god blame us for being "sinners" when this world is shit?
 
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seaweaves

they/them
Oct 25, 2021
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My parents are muslims and as a child they've always indoctrinated me that non-muslims are going to hell no matter how kind they are as a person. Now i am a closeted atheist, about to kill myself which is a huge sin even for a muslim. I know that religion feeds on peoples fears, but i was raised religious and i can't help but to worry about hell. What if i'm wrong and the afterlife actually exists? This has stopped me many times from attempting, which is a problem. How do you guys convince yourselves that this is it, there's no such thing as an afterlife?
Hi blueclover! That sounds really difficult. I'm not Muslim, and am darn naive even though I've tried to learn about it. Locating myself, my understanding from those who know better is that, because the Qur'an is the received holy word, those who aren't properly trained and studied should not be making interpretations of it nor other received Words. I want to state my awareness of that, and to defer absolutely to those who know better, but my want to offer some solace currently outweighs that religious regard. So here are a few things I might say, while leaving myself fully open to correction.

1. Because the Qur'an is understood as the Holy Word, human attempts at interpretation have often led to conflicting views, and most received versions seem to contain in them what we would understand as contradictions. On one understanding, this means we just cannot comprehend what is there, and so it reads like contradiction. On another understanding, it means we really cannot be certain of quite a lot. And on a third interpretation, it means that things have changed between different revelations. What your parents believe is not necessarily the only way to understand Muslim faith and received Word, and part of why there have been changes to Shari'ah over time.

2. In the Qur'an and other received Word, what we currently call Hell is given a lot of different representations; Allah is too. I want to share a few things I've heard selectively in case it helps. I'm focusing on Muslim beliefs just in case it's hard to reason away all your background, so you know even if your parents are right in some ways, there's leeway here.

a. Not everyone thinks that Hell is eternal. On some interpretations, we hear that Hell is eternal but that claim is modified by "except as the Lord wills it." Because the Muslim God is (despite our focus on hell here) one of grace, benevolence, some scholars have interpreted this as suggesting that God will release sinners from hell in accordance with his merciful nature once their sins have been punished proportionately. On my own naive reading, I've found appeals to "not burdening/taxing a soul beyond its capacity" or similar translations when discussing punishment and reward, and I might think this too suggests that punishment is not without its limits. In the stories we know well like of Moses, many prophets were sent to guide people back to Allah when they weren't believers, and the Word regularly discusses this in terms of grace and graciousness that those astray may be brought back. If we are wrong together and end up in a level of hell, this does not mean it's permanent, and there might still be time and chance through that graciousness and our paying our dues to leave that place. One thing I found again for example: https://www.alislam.org/quran/app/2:287

b. Revealed word makes many suggestions of what can land us in Hell, and like with Christian interpretations of old testament sins in the Bible, some of these sound quite difficult to live by today, such as avoiding certain kinds of dinnerware, not getting tattooed, never shaving, avoiding braces (when done for aesthetics -- based on my own interpretation of claims about teeth gaps, but young people are also exempted from having their sins recorded in their book, so mostly adults with braces? I'm off track here). Check out some claims in these ahadith: https://www.iium.edu.my/deed/hadith/bukhari/072_sbt.html If there is a hell, it would be very heavily populated by many folks today. So if we interpret literally, even converting back as a Muslim would require some stringent changes on a more literal read. Reading less literally, we might wonder if the gracious Allah the Word tells us about would measure us against all the same standards that we once were.

This is already too long so I'll end here, and so I don't risk saying even more things about stuff I know basically nothing about. But you are seen and heard by me, and I wish you the peace you deserve
 
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In the kingdom of th blind; the one-eyed are kings
Jan 24, 2021
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OmG.here we go again!
Another of these "what will happen when I take my life threads"...
I wonder if they're outnumbering the music threads yet?!
Religion is dogmatic law set up by man, not God.
♤Cherokee Billy is on the money☆
Thats what happens, you hookup with family that have passed, and then with your spirit guides. You don't suffer judgement or suffering.
You are made well and whole.
I understand why clairvoyant vision isn't granted to everyone / we complicate way too much (this thread is evidence of that)
I've experienced spirit communication, its logical truth to me...
 
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Jul 29, 2021
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I don't need more anxiety to add to my anxiety-filled existence now. If there is a hell, I'd imagine whoever created the psychotic disorder I have would reside there. I have literally experienced waking manic nightmares, been incarcerated and homeless. Few can understand what I've gone through and I'm done trying. I grew up with the idea of hell too-to think all this ridiculousness is just some cosmic experiment that God or whatever is just allowing to go on for some reason isn't something I can really accept anymore. The world is so full of pointless suffering and evil. It just is what it is. I understand that a conservative upbringing locks you into certain thought processes. I hope you find peace in your journey and thoughts.
 
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9BBN

Heaven, send Hell away
Mar 29, 2021
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Just a reminder that proselytizing is against the rules.

But as a general observation, it seems like whenever someone asks, "how do you convince yourselves that X is true?", everything is up in the air...
 
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Hell is fun. Contrary to popular belief, Satan is actually a generous bottom.

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Apr 14, 2021
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Islam says animals can talk, stones can steal clothes, and trees can cry. The question of "what if it's true" can then be safely answered with "No, it isn't." Speaking of reality, there is many things we can observe to derive terror, like breaking your neck and end up stuck in your bed for 80 odd years.
Hell is fun. Contrary to popular belief, Satan is actually a generous bottom.
Why bother killing yourself to get anal sex with Shaytaan when he already does much nastier things to you here on earth?
Satan pissplay

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Oct 11, 2021
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Well here's the thing about that.... your views are your views so whether you die with said views now or at a very old age of natural causes your views on the matter stand a good chance of being the same unless something in the way of divine intervention happens to prove the existence of your respective religion/god either way which isn't likely. Therefore you/we are going where you're/we're going whether it's now or later. It's coming either way. I too was bought up around religion which I didn't believe. It served to put me off religion more than anything but this religion preaches that its followers will be resurrected following certain events. It says that suicide is a sin and that we should respect our bodies. It also claims that a man lived inside a whale for a couple of months, that another man lost his strength because of a hair cut, (no other people had super power hair oddly) and that a man put 2 of every animal on a hand made boat before his god flooded the planet and somehow managed to avoid a single species dying as a result of either of the pairs of animals losing a male of female to breed with. Bare in mind that each of those animal (nott to mwntion the humans) would have had incestuous children repopulating the planet which is also a sin. So some pretty inconsistent rules and that just scrapes the surface. So yeah, even though these fables are ridiculous to me and just a drop in the ocean of inconsistencies I was force fed as a child I do still wonder "what if?!" because it was drilled into me at an early (some would say vulnerable) age by a violent parent with poor logic and had no alternative options. But the logic and perhaps a slightly defiant part of me says it doesn't make sense or add up. I also feel like, if the ever changing rules and expected blind faith in the face of zero proof are the creation of one god then maybe I'm not entirely going to ever see eye to eye with him and am not cut out to blindly follow based on fear of being wrong. I may never be able to please this god so my chances are slim to none wither way. I am more a man of fact and science as there is at the very least some logic and consistency and when mistakes are made and proved wrong it is accepted and documented and that is where things progress from going forward because it's fact not fable and it encourages questioning and curiosity whole heartedly. Religion is a very good way to control mankind with fears of repercussions and the promise of something better than the shit hand they may have been dealt. It just doesn't sit right with me. What does make me wonder... When I think of the expanse of space and our inability to really fully grasp the concept of an endless space.... whats out there and could there be more to our conciousness as we're seemingly the only creature in our little bubble/universe lucky enough to have it. That sits heavy in me. Because we just don't know. But going back to your question regarding heaven and hell....its pretty weird how different religions have their own form of heaven/hell scenario in one form or another but also claim to be the only true religion. Well whose hell or heaven do we go to? Which one is right? Where is this hell. Its certainly not at the centre of the earth/underground. Just think about the logic that formed the theory of heaven (up) and hell (down). It was clearly thought up before science taught us the earth was round and the expanse of space was so vast. It's the most rudimentary thinking. I'll be honest I've kind of lost my train of thought a bit as I'm kind of thinking/typing out loud so I'll go back to my original point (where I probably should have ended this) which is that with all this stuff we each have running through our minds about our respective religions that were forced upon us at an early age with no option to ask questions or to make an objective decision about it for fear of being ostracised by our families once old enough, will our view have changed by the time we die of 'natural causes'? Probably not right? So we're going where we're going it would seem. And whilst we have been very lucky to inhabit a human consciousness (which I do feel very lucky to have enjoyed and cherished for some time) are we really all that important? I just don't know but I don't really think so even though we do seem inclined to think so. The bible says we were born from dust and will return to dust. This varies from religion to religion of course. Who knows which is right. But it seems they all have their flaws so for me I think like this. Did/do I hold myself accountable for my actions? Did/do I have good intentions in my heart. Truth is I was quite selfish in my younger years and did a few things I'm not proud of. I suspect a lot of people will identify with that. I definitely turned it around in my following years and became somebody I am proud to have been and held/hold myself to a strict set of morals. Is it enough to compensate for my poor judgement and mistakes in my earlier years? I don't know. Can I still hold myself to the high standards I came to develope and hold dear? Well no unfortunately not. It eats me up inside to acknowledge that as I hold them so dearly but my health has made me useless to anybody, unable to function in the capacity I had found my stride in. I therefore have no way of further adding to the world around me. If anything I'm now a burden so judgment, if there is any, will always rest on the better me that followed my misspent youth. At this point I can do no more other than attempt to go out hurting as few people as possible and leaving in the most considerate manner possible. I can only hope I did enough to redeem myself now even though I'm inclined to think we die and that's that. I would actually love to be wrong and to continue in some form or another as I feel I had more to give before I became so unwell. Whilst I do feel somewhat selfish in my desire to end my suffering I feel I will at least remove my burden on society for the years I might live in this worsening state and if I'm to be judged I have no power to change the outcome now as I am literally just existing. I think we are probably going where we're going. Either now or later.


My apologies... I got a bit off course at the end there and focused a lot on my personal circumstances but hopefully my mianderings will ring true for yourself even though our respective religions differ. We still found ourselves in similar positions as a result of being born into religion and having no opt out options without serious repercussions. We can only judge ourselves on our individual values and how pure of heart we have been and are in the run up to our unlimate ends or transitions. I would hope that a true and just god would see the conflict within us caused by our circumstances and the desire to do right alongside our respective efforts to that end and that he is compassionate and inclined to forgive anything we may have overlooked.
Maybe you think i'm still a muslim, but i've left that religion since i was 15. And i don't believe in the afterlife, i just fear it. It's like SI. I agree with your opinion.
 
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