Discussion what do you consider as pro-death?

[whitetaildeer]

do you believe pro-death includes antinatalism, mortalism, etc.? or is it just preferring death over living? additionally, do you think there's any pro-death beliefs that are toxic/harmful? i'm not completely sure on my own stance, but i've seen people have differing ideas on what's pro-death and what isn't. if you have a clear idea of what you think is pro-death, please share and discuss! thank you in advance.

 

[idelttoilfsadness21]

Pro death involves many beliefs and ideas that — like anything in this confusing, interlocking world of many different opinions — it would involve all cases of many perspectives of ideologies. Think of the reason why antinatalism was created. Was it originally truly because they cared for the lives of those babies? Or was it because they saw themselves through the lens of being born. Death wasn't the originator of choosing what feels more alive. It was the thought of being without pain and without suffering. To be alive or wishing that, would be pro-death but more so in terms of personal ego and the affects of being in much pain long term. Pro death can only go toxic when you push an entire group — without fully considering much stance with rationalism each circumstance, and HOW COULD YOU NOT, That shit's hard — into the bounds of something more selfish, controlling, and vindictive into a god like complex, of feeling like it must be done this way.

Think of Inuyashiki or Light Yagami, when the main characters both played God.

They didn't have anyone truly in mind besides their own, and you even remove or completely erase the stance of someone's story, too, by just validating it with removal, without fully considering the WHAT!, basically almost like telling them to kill themselves but you are fully adding on WHAT YOUR LOGIC is into a twisted manipulative scheme of thoughts for yourself and the person who considers it.

For if there is any? It depends on what I shared above, but usually most have much thought when you put it into terms of actual thought matter and compassion with the same face of reason.

I think, to me, pro life is realistically having a choice into deciding your fate, all while succumbing into the horrors of this world but being strong regardless for others who may feel the same way, feeling that same empathetic embroil of conflicting emotions with your own and theirs.

It's sadly no way out of this hell

 

[Namelesa]

Obviously outright encouraging suicide is toxic pro-death actions as thats telling people to do something with their own live without considering their own feelings on it. With that same logic thats why I think encouraging someone to live is also bad.

To me pro-death is when you see death as preferable for everyone living no matter what. For someone to think death is better than a life that is more suffering than good is not in my opinion but what considers a life that is more suffering than good is subjective to the person so a person shouldn't force their own opinions of whats too much suffering onto others which should also be the same with forcing opinions on whether someone else's life is good enough living for.

Saying about the logic of why you think death is preferable and the believes of promortalism can maybe be considered pro-death but I would say it isn't toxic or immoral as there are genuine claims made with these statements to be made here and I think others should consider the claims but they are of course allowed to keep living as its their life and see potential reason in continuing it like benefiting other people they care about or that its okay and don't see what's the point in putting the effort into die now or the risks to the methods we can access. To me saying about why you want to die and saying about your logically reasons for it shouldn't be silenced. To me its also comforting to see people think this way as I feel more seen and heard and that death is an equal solution to my suffering and so suffer less which is ultimately what this site should strive for.

With the way I believe about live and death, I think this way:

good/neutral life = death/non-existence
bad life < death/non-existence​

So to me I would say I am death/suicide neutral and recovery neutral as to me both options are equally valid and ultimately end up with the goal of less/no suffering. I personally think recovery is more risky as we have no confirmation whether things get better when with death and non-existence there is no harm done and you can't regret dying as you can't feel, do, fear or desire anything there but people should be allowed to take the risk of continuing life if they want to as its their life not ours. With how effective methods are getting restricted and with suicide prevention at the moment there is of course risk to suicide and so that equally valid to not go for that option. We should be making both options as available and accessible as possible so there is less risks for each option so people can have ways of ending their suffering with whatever way they see fit.

Antinatalism is definitely not pro-death as someone who isn't born or exist yet can't die. People believe it as its unfair to force people into anything that has the risk of doing more harm to the individual which should include life itself. To me people shouldn't have had to put in the effort to ctb when they didn't want their life especially as they aren't disadvantaged by not existing as what I said previously. Cus of this it it goes against personal autonomy against innocent people and so is immoral.

I think the hypothetical button that kills everyone instantly and painlessly can be seen as toxic as that will end lives of people who would be fine with or want to continue life but I see it being not toxic to press it as in non-existence these people can't be disadvantaged while the people who didn't want to live benefit so overall more good is done than bad. I do think the button would be best pressed if people continue to procreate and not allow euthanasia for everyone as that creates unconsental suffering and so thats more toxic than to unconsental purely peaceful ends of lives but if all people agreed to do this then the button would be morally incorrect to press.

 

[Pluto]

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I have seen the words pro death only in connection with pro death penalty.

 

[Electra]

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[pthnrdnojvsc]

I think life is very bad .

i'm for everyone should have the choice to exit this hell whenever they want or keep on living. But i guess many wil say i'm "pro-Death " because i think life is the worst function in the universe and that non-existence forever is the ultimate bliss.

if anyone wants to risk extreme torture that should be their business . most people have that right to keep on living and it's encouraged to keep on living . however we don't have the right to exit evil life in a guaranteed , painless, quick , instant way . we had that right but they stole it from us by making anyone helping with you with suicide a crime.

i'm pro-choice but pro-lifers want to force everyone to keep on living even if they say they are suffering and want to exit this prison hell

in the wild most animals including humans before civilization and technology were always in a state of constant suffering , constantly hungry for food, either cold or warm , usually with parasites , dirty, itchinness , pain , , diseases, in fear of predators insects snakes the unkown . it's hidden from humans that this is life. civilazation super markets , houses with central AC and refrigerators full of food, food delivery , hospitals, products , online shopping ,Amazon prime , smart phones etc also hide this realty . most humans are not constantly suffering hunger , cold or heat , unclean now as they were 70,000 years ago

even if most people have all the modern convienences of civilization shelter a modern house , refrigerator , appliances, available supply of food and water, shower soap, still horrible things can happen especially when old. but there is no way to escape unbearable pain because they made every guaranteed suicide method into crimes

also most animals died by being eaten alive by other animals , parasites , bacteria etc. many humans have it even worse in nursing homes , being kept alive in their 80s 90s with constant pain diseases dementia i worked in a nursing home , un unimaginable hell that is hidden


I'm only touching on how evil life is. i could literally write 10 1000 page books on this topic but i'm not a writer nor do i have the time. maybe an uncensored ai ? but still no time .

I think any sentient animal would be better off not existing than working so hard to live in this hell under constant threat of extreme torture . im for letting them be but we should also have the right to kill ourselves in a guaranteed way. as for humans i believe it should be their right if they want to continue living or die at any time. .Like i said most humans dont' realize how brutal life was out in the wild before technology and civilization : you had to sleep in the dirt with all the flies, mosquitos , ticks , tape worms, worms , bacteria, dirt etc. if we didn't have grocery delivery houses products and everyone had to walk miles to go kill animal every day to eat it i think most would want that glass of nembutal instead of putting up with all that work and suffering. but even know most have to work 15 hours a day a job and chores etc. still imo not worth it but if they want to do it and grow old let them . what is it to me if they want to be in nursing homes. i couldn't care less what another human does or doesn't do. i just want to exit asap for me . i couldn't care less what another group of cells does or doesn't do.

The temporary problem is evil life . Life is the only function in the universe that causes unending constant unbearable pain, extreme suffering, traps, unsolvable problems, bad traumatic memories, inescapable nightmares, hells on Earth , extreme torture, diseases, old age , strokes, brain damage, disabling accidents, excruciating pain 1000 other horrors

i tried to explain briefly off the top of my head a little bit how evil life and this world are . this planet has been a torture dungeon for 500 million years as i explained above. the efilists and promortalists could be having empathy for the extreme torture and they see their solution of the red button to prevent the extreme torture going on . but they and anyone saying life is bad is demonized as being evil and dangerous . i'm not for immediate extinction but i am for anti-natalism ( giving birth is morally wrong although i'm not for imposing laws that prevent childbirth nor that call for extinction of living beings. i just agree that non-existence is best a sentient animal will suffer while alive but cant' suffer in non-existence.

The universe is going to equilibrium , maximum entropy , always has always will . every thing need constant energy and information to work , every system breaks down and dies even life and the universe will die and cease to exist forever . the ever constant expansion of the Universe is but one peice of evidence for the eventual heat Death of the universe

i'm glad that the universe will die and that evil DNA based life will never exist again

 

[Forever Sleep]

Simply someone who believes that death is the best possible sollution for all living organisms.

As to whether they're dangerous. Maybe only if they are willing to cause genocides/ homocides.

As a theory though- I don't agree with them. I find the thinking too extreme. Basically- the polar opposite of pro- life people. They think it's reasonable for them to make decisions for everything else. I don't personally. I see that as God level thinking.