Discussion What are your thoughts on war?

[gnarly]

I've been deeply into art that represents war and violence. And i wonder what your thoughts on it are. Ofc not just on the surface. I mean every bit of it you can possibly think of. From the military to rebels to revolutions, terrorism the way family's are affected by it. How people and places are impacted. Tell me the point you understand and The ones you don't. The things you hate and think are necessary. All opinions and views are valid here. So please be honest with your mind and speak forward.

 

[martyrdom]

Terrorism is an arbitrary label employed by colonial hegemonies to demonize resistance movements. There are countries and regimes that are actually terrorist (eg. the Zionist entity & the USA).

Guerilla warfare by small revolutionary cells is crucial in liberating the people from terrorist regimes. But war is most often employed by those in power to serve their own economic interests. I come from a war torn country and it disgusts me when people idealize or romanticise war. Most people don't understand what war really is and the delirious inhuman feeling that pervades it or the way it flays off a layer of the human soul in everyone involved.

 

[Chocomel]

My first thought of war is that it is terrifying. I still don't understand of why military exist and the people joining them is so proud protecting their country. They should be thinking that if they want peace, there would never be any threat at all in the first place to make a country build a military. I also think that all the politics people that declare the war for soil of lands should never send troops and instead put them in a ring to fight 1 by 1, makes them think if the soil is really worth their life and not young military personel

 

[Forever Sleep]

I hate it but, I see it as almost inevitable. With so many billions of people in this world and limited resources. With people who are greedy, angry, arrogant, power hungry. With groups of people who oppress others. With those who feel opressed. It just feels like a tinder box, waiting to go up.

Plus- we're animals ultimately. Animals fight for things- territory, resources. We're social animals too. Social animals form packs and kill any of their own species that threaten them. So- we effectively just continue to do that on an industrial scale.

It also worries me that inside many of us, there is this attraction to conflict. To hate on another group. Our governments and societies encourage it but- it's already there too.

But, I hate it none the less. We like to pretend we are so superior but a race that has the potential to pretty much destroy itself with its own firepower looks utterly insane to me.

I just think it's impossible though. A neighbour of mine said he was a pacifist. That he would likely have been a conscientious objector in the war. But then I said- so- what do we do when someone like Hitler comes along? Just let them run riot? Obviously- we can't.

I suppose the hope is the more violent extremists are booted out before the wars start but, can we even predict what leaders will do necessarily?

I just see wars as varyingly unavoidable evils. Some probably more avoidable than others. Some outright illegal though.

I also have a suspicion they are about money. Not simply in terms of taking another land's resources via brute force. I reckon on a selfish and personal level too- l suspect a small but very rich and powerful group of people make a great deal of money by providing the equipment for war- armoury, transport, medical supplies etc. War is a kind of industry.

They obviously require a need for their products so- it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they manufacture problems to create a need for their products. No doubt they have ties to people high up in the government. I think we're naive if we don't believe large corporations and powerful people within those corporations don't have huge influence over policy.

I'm still hugely suspicious about 9/11 for instance. There had been defense cuts in both the US and UK in the years prior. There have been actual documents recovered in the US regarding confidential meetings about 'False Flag' operations. Whereby say- planned attacks are made to look like terrorist threats. Thereby generating public support towards retaliation. That country officials would even consider hurting their own people to do that I think is appalling. Not saying they definitely did with 9/11 but- it still looks suspicious to me.

Not sure I entirely believe it though. While it no doubt helps to have public support, it would seem (incredibly to me,) that our leaders can make those decisions themselves- without publuc support.

But, there's that brilliant quotes by Moriarty to Holmes in the Sherlock Holmes film:

'You see, hidden within the unconscious, there is an insatiable desire for conflict. So, you're not fighting me, so much as you are the human condition. All I want to do is own the bullets and the bandages.'

 

[FoxSauce]

Wars are awful. Just that leads to more suffering

 

[LonelyPrince]

I've been deeply into art that represents war and violence. And i wonder what your thoughts on it are. Ofc not just on the surface. I mean every bit of it you can possibly think of. From the military to rebels to revolutions, terrorism the way family's are affected by it. How people and places are impacted. Tell me the point you understand and The ones you don't. The things you hate and think are necessary. All opinions and views are valid here. So please be honest with your mind and speak forward.

It's fucking useless and ridiculous. The peak of human savagery and cruelty

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

Useless, outdated, proves that a lot of humans are just animals and they are greedy and selfish.

Pointless overall, violent, enable monsters to be monsters. To rape, to torture, to enslave, to degrade, to kill.

War shows the discrepancy of morality between people and how our system of living is designed to make money AND NOT to teach people how to be people.

Wars only happen because you are only good for making money once you're 18 and you're expected to just work, go home, eat, repeat with casual vacations to other countries.

You are cheated everyday, there are strings everywhere, when you go to foreign countries, when you buy from your own supermarkets, everything is controlled and you don't have time to learn about it, it's by design. Making learning how to survive a priority means that people are oblivious to the horrors of the world and how the companies, governments, politicians and secret services all over the world control us just like puppets for profit.

Humans know war is bad but they don't know why, if they'd do, they'd go out in the street. It's the same with animal cruelty and factory farming, you probably know that it's bad, do you know how bad it is? have you had an upbringing where you CAN CARE about how bad it is? if both of these are no, then congratulations, you've been brainwashed by design and you will never do anything against animal cruelty; you've been brainwashed and kept in the fog and normalized eating animals that even if you realize it's bad, there is an overwhelming amount of media, an overwhelming amount of support from other humans to just not care and to continue eating animals.

Same goes for war, we all get brainwashed for individualism and to be cog in the machines, "unfortunate fact of life", "they deserve it", "it is what it is". It's all by design, wars are awful, everyone in power knows that and they're trying their best to keep people as dumb as possible for as long as possible (probably until they die of old age). We'll hopefully see many changes in 2040-2050 after every 1960-1990 old relic kicks the bucket

 

[Pluto]

 

[DarkRange55]

"War is hell."

- Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman

 

[menthol]

Sometimes war is a necessity. No country will be in peak without war, it's a key to new highs and terrifying lows. Without war, there is no human

 

[Unlucky777]

Wars are stupid

/rant

 

[ginko0]

A part of me would like to believe that, if we really put effort into it, we could achieve a certain kind of utopia. All us humans, working together to reach a certain goal. The rich sharing with the poor, understanding that hoarding money leads to social inequality, which leads to crime and hatred.

But another part of me knows that this is impossible. That humans are contradictory animals, victims of a contradictory brain, which can create but also destroy, which can feel love but also aggression. A brain that is mammal but also reptile.

Wars then seems inevitable. War IS inevitable in nature. Animals killing each other. Lions killing other lions for territory. Etc etc. We're animals too, after all...

 

[accountnamerequired]

In the wise words of Niko Bellic, war is where the old and bitter trick the young and stupid into killing each other

 

[LetMeOut67]

I used to be very antiwar but now I just think let stupid humans do as they wish the evil bastards will eventually get the karma they orchestrated through their own evil , hopefully

I only care about war insofar as it affects the forests , oceans , seas , rivers and animals

And yeah war is the terrorism of the rich

 

[MrJoker789]

war is bad mmmkay

 

[LittleSunshine]

War, what is it good for?