Discussion What are your thoughts on un-life-ing?

[shichan]

yes, I made that last word up since I couldn't find the right word for it. Here is what i mean by it, to end all of life, put an end to the concept of living. I know this might be a little hard to get for some of you. I think i can say we all agree on having the choice to put an end to our misery when we want to. But, where did this misery came about to? didn't it exist from the moment of conception of life itself? So my point is, say if I'm capable of putting end to life itself, not just humans; All of it. Leaving the universe beautiful, cold, and lifeless, without the noise of misery as it was meant to be.

According to me this misery(again, i don't know what exact word to use for that feeling, but misery seems to be the closest) is the root of everything wrong, some of the sane among us realize that it is not worth living with, while others use it to fuel their cruelty to others, when i say us- i'm not simply talking about humans, it involves all living beings. We can observe that there is this definitive pattern, misery fueling consequences that no matter what direction it takes, it only ends up with more misery than what had begun with.

The concept of life itself is a facade, created for the survival of this misery. So it makes the utmost justice to get rid of life vis a vis misery. Look at everything, its all struggling with misery until death, there is no forever, anywhere! and yet the living things are tricked with the possibility of continuum, just to be fodder for the misery. It has been going on for billions of millennia and will continue for trillions more.

So wouldn't it be beautiful and poetic, if life fought back? by ending itself, breaking the power of misery to multiply. Yes it'd be a meager attempt, as misery is truly endless; But at least we weren't shameless enough to try and survive it.


If that came out too weird, please forgive me. My mind is haunted by unnatural thoughts and sometimes they escape out to the real world.

 

[Tiburcio]

I lost the count of post I made dedicated to talk about existence.

It's long and complicated for some people. To sum up: if I had a red button, I would press it inmediately.

 

[Sternum]

It would be poetic. But the only way life would exist is if the ancestors to existing organisms promoted the continued existence of life. The organisms that fought back against existence would not reproduce, and that would remove those genes from the population, and the organisms that didn't fight back would promote the continued existence of their genes, which increased reproductive success and continued life, by definition. So, I don't think it could occur that all living organisms choose not to live. It's not in the genes of those organisms surviving and reproducing. On the other hand, life will inevitably cease in the universe when stars have burned out. What happens after that, who knows!?

But I don't think you are necessarily talking about this on a pragmatic level. On a theoretical level, the concept of the absence of misery is a truly beautiful one. Still, I'm not sure the universe itself could be beautiful without an entity to perceive it as beautiful. It would not be anything if not observed (an idea that has been suggested by both physics and philosophy). So, although it may be a catch-22 because the absence of misery would only be appreciated by a sentient being able to perceive it, and all sentient beings feel a degree of misery as an essential part of survival and reproduction, I fully support the theoretical concept you propose of the absence of misery.

 

[Deleted_9cKnXB34QG]

Yes, I think life is a mistake. Efilism all the way!

 

[Fylobatica]

It would not be anything if not observed

What surrounds us has always been and continues to exist without a sentient being ready to witness it. Unawareness != outer worlds non-existence.

 

[Sternum]

What surrounds us has always been and continues to exist without a sentient being ready to witness it. Unawareness != outer worlds non-existence.

Maybe. As I said above, some physicist and philosophers have suggested differently.

 

[Fylobatica]

Maybe. As I said above, some physicist and philosophers have suggested differently.

Well, physicists can't say so-- it's an acknowledged fact that before the birth of life, the universe had been existing for billions of years
There just weren't any spectators around

 

[Sternum]

Well, physicists can't say so-- it's an acknowledged fact that before the birth of life, the universe had been existing for billions of years
There just weren't any spectators around

You are referring to hypotheses.

 

[Fylobatica]

You are referring to hypotheses.

The fact that the universe is billion years old is not exactly an hypothesis

 

[Sternum]

The fact that the universe is billion years old is not exactly an hypothesis

Yes it is. It is the Big Bang theory because it is not a fact. I believe the theory, but I acknowledge it as a theory put forth by scientists based on evidence, among them physicists and astronomers (astronomy being a branch of physics). Physicists also put forth theories based on evidence about observation being an essential part of existence. You are making absolute claims above, which are not known with certainty. You can believe them, but they are not absolute.

 

[Fylobatica]

Yes it is. It is the Big Bang theory because it is not a fact. I believe the theory, but I acknowledge it as a theory put forth by scientists based on evidence, among them physicists and astronomers (astronomy being a branch of physics). Physicists also put forth theories based on evidence about observation being an essential part of existence. You are making absolute claims above, which are not known with certainty. You can believe them, but they are not absolute.

You are basically deliberately ignoring empirical evidence like cosmological redshift detected by WMAP, but I'll let you fabricate your alternative, nonsensical and parallel version of the actual truth, I'm too tired to be trolled

 

[Sternum]

You are basically deliberately ignoring empirical evidence like cosmological redshift detected by WMAP, but I'll let you fabricate your alternative, nonsensical and parallel version of the actual truth, I'm too tired to be trolled

No need to be rude. We can disagree. I won't be disagreeing about evidence but the interpretation of that evidence.

 

[KCN]

You can believe them, but they are not absolute.

lol, like the universe isn't way older than us.

 

[Dip]

On the other hand, life will inevitably cease in the universe when stars have burned out. What happens after that, who knows!?

Since entropy is a one-way street all that would happen is that energy would just get increasingly dispersed throughout the universe, going from a dense form into less dense as time goes on.

 

[Xmac000]

All life in this particular universe yes. All life that has to live under our requirements for survival yes. All life that have to follow our laws of the universe yes.

Now if life can somehow exist outside of these conditions or universe and the conditions or laws were more favorable then I'd say no.

 

[Mecha Man]

You are basically deliberately ignoring empirical evidence like cosmological redshift detected by WMAP, but I'll let you fabricate your alternative, nonsensical and parallel version of the actual truth, I'm too tired to be trolled

I would actually love to hear your explanation for, or for you to elaborate on, what is wrong with what he said... I'm no troll, I'm just an ignorant fool (not being sarcastic) looking to be educated. But if you're too tired to educate me, I understand.

 

[Luke]

I don't think all life or (risky bet) even all humans are better off not existing.

I believe that most people don't think their life is a pain. We can't really imagine that but they're not us.

We're just genetic trash that sneaked through evolution.

 

[typx]

There is no doubt that life is suffering. But many manage to find something good in that suffering. But there are also those who lose their way.
For me it isn't that life isn't beautiful. It's that I no longer have access to it's beauty. This makes me really sad since I know that there is good out there. But I don't have the equipment needed to move through that world.
So no, life shouldn't end because all I experience is misery. Many find joy in life. I envy them deeply, but I wouldn't take it from them.