Discussion What are your thoughts on God and Hell regarding to suicide? do you believe in them?

[abel777]

I used to believe in religion. as far as my life was going as I wanted it to, I attributed my successes and happiness to a divine power. I believed that god is actually up there helping me.

but the worse my life, the less my beliefs have become. misfortunes and sufferings happened to me one after another and in the end I told myself that a real god wouldn't want anyone to suffer like this.

despite all of these, when I began thinking of suicide, the thought of going to hell existed in my mind wether I wanted it or not. I still can't let it go. at one hand I've lost my faith, at other hand I tell myself what if hell is real? also I tell myself even if we assume that god and hell is real, why should I go to hell for doing something that doesn't harm anyone else and it's just for saving myself from suffering?

I keep switching between believing and disbelieving hell over and over and this just makes my insanity worse every time.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

There is no hell, no afterlife, no god , no reincarnation

Is a human another animal? Yes

There is massive evidence a human is just another animal. All living things evolved from a single cell

There's no evidence for any soul

At what point in evolution did a soul become attached? Does a fish a cell have a soul. No

Why hasn't the energy sources for a soul been detected?

 

[badenddonuts]

i wouldn't ever say i believe in a christian idea of hell or heaven, but i'd like to think there's at least something after death. i don't think a kind and just god would torture anyone for simply wanting to be free from suffering, so i also don't think suicide is a one-way ticket to "hell" by any means. i think it's something said to discourage suicide in the same vein as "it hurts the people around you," etc. it's something that's difficult to grasp, though, especially if you've been raised to believe in certain things? but my father raised me to be an atheist to a fault, so i was never brought up to believe things like that. it's easier for me to look at it from different angles.

 

[ipmanwc0]

am pretty confident religions are human inventions. if there are supernatural forces, it's not as we know them

 

[Tautochrome]

Nah, very very unlikely. I think you're safe there. Judgement and punishment are human creations, projected onto the indifferent universe for stupid reasons. Nobody will suffer eternally, no matter what atrocities they commit during life

 

[blowmybrainzout]

Personally, I believe there is no such thing as hell, even heaven or god.

I'd like to think of it as like, sleeping but with no dream, or the feeling when we weren't born yet which is nothing.

 

[alstroemeria55]

Though I used to believe in a faith that doesn't have a hell, all the suffering I went and am going through made me doubt that the idea of a benevolent and omnipotent God began to clash with my experience. I was fine believing in it as long as I was relatively fine and I thought that I was in an upwards trajectory, but once I started struggling and begging for help I never got an answer. I never got a good justifiable answer for my suffering and for the state of the world. If there is a God that cares, he/she/it will understand me for wanting to have nothing to do with this world. Religion and the man-made idea of what God is ruined me, because it's cruel and prejudiced. "It takes religion to make a good person do bad things" - I've experienced this firsthand.

 

[dogdrool]

I am religious but I don't specifically identify with any specific one.
I believe in a higher power and a God with a greater plan that we all fall into. This means that I believe everything is predestined. I believe that suicide is God's plan for me and I believe in reincarnation. Well, I did, anyway.
I sort of still do believe in reincarnation, but it wavered when I tried to kill myself properly and all I could imagine after death was experiencing nothingness and it scared me. Maybe those instincts are telling me the truth. I can't be sure.

 

[SleeplessAndSad]

I am not a very religious person but i would like to believe that there is something out there that gives this all a meaning.
But then again if god exists why would he make me or anyone else suffer this way?

Idk i hope that after death there is just nothing.

 

[neverknowsbest0]

fuck no. there is no hell, there is no heaven. As you die, you die. No longer exist. God won't help, cuz he's not there.

What are you experiencing when you are asleep/falling asleep? Nothing, basically dead (if not experiencing dreams, nightmares). That's the correlation.

IMHO, my vision, my experience

 

[39hatsune]

if god is real, then it'll be him asking for forgiveness after everything we have endured

 

[WeDontKnowTheFuture]

Well there is definitely not a god otherwise he was a cruel being towards me. For me the idea of hell is impossible, hell is already on earth for some people and it is what we perceive as hell on earth that we had imagine for an afterlife.

 

[SanagiMezamete]

I believe that hell is real. Hell is other people.

No, but for real, I don't believe anything supernatural or religious whatsoever. As soon as the brain matter exits my skull it's only pure blissful nothingness forevermore. No afterlife, no reincarnation, no spirit that exists after my heart stops beating. Total freedom from this mortal coil. It's very comforting for me to think about, that no matter how much pain I go through in life, eventually it will all be over and I won't have to feel a single ounce of regret or shame or sadness ever again. At that point all the pain might as well have never happened as far as my remains are concerned.

I respect that everyone has different beliefs in these things though, and I don't have any special knowledge, nor was I ever raised religious. So take the things I say for what it's worth.

 

[Arvayn]

I do not believe that manmade religions are real. They have a clear and well-understood sociological and anthropological background, and can be empirically explained through those facts. Our contemporary systems of faith did not appear out of nowhere. They are also too riddled with human thinking and patterns, as well as them all having suffered constant modifications across the span of time.

I believe that this world is primarily a materialistic one, governed by predictable laws of physics. However, I do not think these laws are as rigid or absolute as people claim. Phenomena such as black holes and chaos indicate that somehow, one way or another, the way our laws function can be modified or can be disregarded altogether; physics are relative. I also subscribe to cosmological reset theory, which is the belief that at some impossibly distant point in time, long after the universe has reached entropic equilibrium, a chaotic permutation at a physical level will result in another creation event; potentially with different laws of physics, or potentially not.

I also believe that consciousness arises out of matter, and that there cannot be mind without matter. However, I personally disavow the mind/matter distinction altogether and subscribe to neutral monism. Somewhere out there, perhaps not in this body of existence, what we consider the supernatural is probably real. To whoever would be living under those forces, however, it would simply be natural.

As for suicide... I believe my consciousness will cease to exist once the mechanisms comprising it are disrupted, though an identical consciousness may be remade at a later point in time. What we call a consciousness, or a 'self', is just one of many different organizational perspectives taking place within the same underlying reality, and there is only one true experiential process.

 

[DepressedSimp]

I used to believe in religion. as far as my life was going as I wanted it to, I attributed my successes and happiness to a divine power. I believed that god is actually up there helping me.

but the worse my life, the less my beliefs have become. misfortunes and sufferings happened to me one after another and in the end I told myself that a real god wouldn't want anyone to suffer like this.

despite all of these, when I began thinking of suicide, the thought of going to hell existed in my mind wether I wanted it or not. I still can't let it go. at one hand I've lost my faith, at other hand I tell myself what if hell is real? also I tell myself even if we assume that god and hell is real, why should I go to hell for doing something that doesn't harm anyone else and it's just for saving myself from suffering?

I keep switching between believing and disbelieving hell over and over and this just makes my insanity worse every time.

I stopped believing in God a long time ago. All of it is weaponized by racists and bigots just to shame people they don't like anyway.

 

[Heraskov]

I'm actively very religious, yet, like a lot of the "conclusions" to questions of this nature in Eastern Orthodox Christianity, I leave topics of God's salvific judgement up to God rather than trying to stretch my mind around them and develop a man-made conclusion, since my faith's perspective on things like the Holy Trinity or the Eucharist or, in this instance, the salvation of the suicidal, is that these things are mysteries of God that we can not come to conclusions to with our own mortal wisdom.

Still, what I do believe is that my God is all-merciful to an extent that we can not even comprehend, and so, by that, I hold trust in Him that, for everyone's judgement will He do what is most loving. In addition, I believe that He is all-knowing, so He has a full understanding of the burdens that batter our hearts and that lead us to the option of suicide. So, there is gentleness and compassion in that mercy of His.

Thus, in my belief, the judgement of those who take their life is up to an ever-merciful God, and, in just trying to understand the utter extent of His mercy am I left with a trust that He'll lovingly care for all of the burdened souls who come to Him after taking their life. They're in the hands of a Lord who loves them.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I tend to think- if there is a God, given the stories we have inherited through various religions. Plus- just witnessing the random barbarism in this world- then I think they're absoltely capable of having both created a hell and sending people to it. For anything they fancy I imagine.

Why create creatures that can only survive by maiming and eating alive other sentient creatures? Why create paedophilic desire? They clearly have a sadistic streak.

That's why I so hope there isn't a God. It seems the far safer outcome. I don't actually understand why people even imagine the creator of this world- given what we know about it- to be fair, let alone sympathetic.

If a God does exist- I reckon they are the fire and brimstone one of the Old Testament.

 

[Daphne]

Tough one. I believe in God and Jesus. I follow the commandments. I pray. I like church but I haven't had many good experiences with those who claim to be Christian.
I believe in miracles as I've seen others experience them.
However I wonder if God has favorites and those whose prayers he doesn't hear. Because my situation is not improving despite my pleas. I would prefer not to ctb but how much more of this life am I supposed to take? I have had more tragedies than most and it takes its toll.

 

[FuneralCry]

No, never, I only believe death to be peaceful non-existence where this dreadful, painful and deeply undesirable existence I just always saw as the most cruel mistake is all gone and forgotten, for me ceasing to exist would solve everything and would be what I see as the positive solution for me to find peace from the torture and cruelty of existing and there's just so much evil in existing. The only hell is this horrific world where every second existing beings are tortured in agony with no limit as to how much they can suffer, to exist really is an abomination to me, I see existence as the most cruel, devastating tragedy that just causes and brings harm and suffering.

 

[phantasmagoria]

If God exists and he let all this happen, then I think anything is possible in terms of afterlife. However, I really hope there is no hell and only heaven or nothing.

 

[killawithme]

I used to believe in religion. as far as my life was going as I wanted it to, I attributed my successes and happiness to a divine power. I believed that god is actually up there helping me.

but the worse my life, the less my beliefs have become. misfortunes and sufferings happened to me one after another and in the end I told myself that a real god wouldn't want anyone to suffer like this.

despite all of these, when I began thinking of suicide, the thought of going to hell existed in my mind wether I wanted it or not. I still can't let it go. at one hand I've lost my faith, at other hand I tell myself what if hell is real? also I tell myself even if we assume that god and hell is real, why should I go to hell for doing something that doesn't harm anyone else and it's just for saving myself from suffering?

I keep switching between believing and disbelieving hell over and over and this just makes my insanity worse every time.

If it's true he exists, then he's mean. I hope he has a good reason to give me and you such a worthless life.

 

[deathisapanacea]

To paraphrase Richard Dawkins, even a staunch believer in one religion is going to hell of all the other religions. So, don't bother about all these reglious mumbo jumbo.

 

[Macedonian1987]

Thanks to my parents and my so-called friends I used to believe that God sends suicide to hell, but after reading thousands of near death experiences, I stopped believing in the hell myth. This happened 10 years ago when i started searching for nde experiences all over the internet.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

I'm still afraid of it, but rationally I know there's no way the creator of the universe wrote a book. That's just silly.