We're on the news (for the 999999th time)

[WrongPlaceWrongTime]

Can someone summarize the video? I don't want to give PBS any clicks.

 

[Capsicum_Corral]

Can't help but wonder if these journalists genuinely want to help people that visit ss or are they fishing for a pulitzer so they can gain notoriety before they write their next best-seller.

It's just a story for them, as you can see by their wide smiles at the end. Imo, watching mainstream news and/or television in general is a form of self-harm. (as we see with the numbers who ended up believing in the covid hoax and chose to get injected with harmful substances)

That said, I'm one of those who discovered SS through links to the article. Some free publicity can be good, but getting congress and lawmakers involved never leads to anything good. Site operators have a very delicate balancing act ahead of them to avoid becoming another justification for the existence of Senators and Congressmen.

Can someone summarize the video? I don't want to give PBS any clicks.

Scripted conversation with the two "journalists", basically explaining how SS encourages suicide, that the site operators are evil, how laws need to be passed to eliminate more of our rights and punish the guilty, and some self-congratulation for how much they 'care'.

Standard truth-twisting by what passes for "journalists" these days. It's annoying to watch, so you're better off not.

 

[Heartattackpending]

Someone told me about the NY times article. Only reason I ever found this place.

 

[Lost Magic]

Someone told me about the NY times article. Only reason I ever found this place.

 

[Heartattackpending]

Thanks.

 

[Samsal112]

I am thankful for those articles. I found this place because of an article similar to that one. They didn't try to hide the name of this site. Any time I would type in suicide or suicide methods into Google, everything was blocked with a huge number to a help hotline. You can find all kinds of stuff on the net, I am not sure why finding suicide information is so hard. I want to die peacefully and successfully, but without this site, I would be lacking in information.

 

[LastFlowers]

Exactly, this occurs from the premise that suicide is a tragedy, rather than a personal choice, no one should be blamed for someone else's suicide, parents are only humans, not wizards, and they can hardly make their children fall for it. open to them freely because they feel their suicidal ideations as abnormal feelings

Eh, suicide is rarely the type of decision that could be called a legitimate "choice", not because it's illogical or that we are incapable of going forward with it of our own volition (we are), but because most people would rather choose to live if they had the option of-and means to construct- a life worth living, yet we are rarely given that type of choice, just shitty ones. The lesser of evils.

Suicide itself can be a tragedy, but it's usually the life circumstances that forced a person down that road, which are tragic, and sorry to say, but parents usually are a large part of the problem, it's bad enough that they selfishly rolled the dice on another human being's existence (their child), but many of them go a step further in denying their child's woes any acknowledgement, because they consider the life and predicament they imposed on them to be a "gift" and a necessary good (or not) that their child somehow immediately inherits the blame for.
People absolutely should be blamed for another person's suicide, when they are to blame, society itself is often to blame, and society is simply the conglomeration of individuals-many of which, more or less, DO actively contribute to the problems and status quo that kills other people and pushes them into the trenches.
Responsibility does lie somewhere, and contrary to popular belief, it's usually far less present in the person who is committing to the action of killing themselves.

its mentioned less about the parents, but some twitter users did went to fix the 26 and have said that, saying couldnt you read the signs thatb your son or daugher were in a bad place mentally? and things like it's easier to blame a site than to blame you, those posts stopped though didnt last much. They were not the right approach.

Yea, whether there is truth to the sentiment or not, I still agree that it's probably not a good idea to add fuel to the fire by antagonizing these people in an uncivilized way (though they certainly have their fair share of people in their own group, including the parents, who have acted absolutely atrociously, and have even endangered other people not unlike their own loved ones.)

Can't help but wonder if these journalists genuinely want to help people that visit ss or are they fishing for a pulitzer so they can gain notoriety before they write their next best-seller.

Are you referring to the NYT article?
Because if so, I have yet to read it in its entirety, but from the excerpts I have read, it came across as surprisingly amateur, I think a HS senior who lackadaisically joins their school newspaper could have done a better job. (I don't even mean the content, but the prose and the hack style in which they wrote it.) I mean, Christ.
I thought the NYT was supposed to be reputable (although I do recall other instances when it was clearly not), but being on the inside of one of their stories for once, it's clear just how many corners modern journalism cuts, its cherry-picking and dirty editing and sensationalist hyperbole to the point it might as well be complete and unabashed lies (some of which it is).

And what the hell was with those black and white photographs, both of the shrines of the deceased's private bedrooms, and of the grieving family members themselves..
What did they do, have someone follow them around with a camera, or did they tell them to go sit down and turn on the tears and countenance of misery? Some look outright staged.
I can't take any person seriously who would even agree to such disgusting and voyeuristic exhibitionism.
Are these people grieving or are they trying to obtain some type of ass-backwards fame?
If my parents ever did this with my memory, I would assume they didn't love me or sympathize with me at all, only themselves.
I would never agree to the way this was handled if I was a parent who gave a shit about my kid.

 

[tieiwi]

stop assuming you talk like you were there have some decency
youre apart of the reason why this site looks bad

I'm sorry I meant to talk about abusive parents. My comment wasn't meant for genuinely good and loving parents.

first of all I have to say that do be the case sometimes. abuse goes under the radar a lot. I was in that place myself. and I'm pretty sure my folks are gonna be like that. I seen it happen once already. motherfucker got hysterical while she's at least half the reason how I got into a bad place.

but that's also a huge assumption. made about everyone whose child died by suicide. loving, caring parents. cuz people can be closed off sometimes. adolescents especially.

basically think about this. a lot of us on SS, parent(s) are still alive or we are in contact with our families in some ways. some people here genuinely had good parent(s) growing up. it hurts them to think about the impact of their own suicide to their family, if they choose to do so one day. it is in the same way they understand it's not necessarily the parent(s)' fault. actually many want their folks to know it's *not* their fault, if you've seen the suicide note discussions here at one point.

we need society to come together as a whole. it is this way for eliminating abuse (or at least to make up for the damage done) too.

Sorry I was heated in the moment and didn't specify that I was talking about abusive parents.

Fucking hell, man.

was meant for abusive parents, not all, my apologies

 

[Grey-zoner]

If my parents ever did this with my memory, I would assume they didn't love me or sympathize with me at all, only themselves.
I would never agree to the way this was handled if I was a parent who gave a shit about my kid.

I have no doubt there are parents who understand why their children ended up killing themselves, others are more conventional--if the depression was (or at least seemed) sudden, and ended in suicide after looking at this forum, I suppose we're the easiest target... and it gives them meaning to go on that crusade.
I would like to think my own parents wouldn't handle my suicide that way. I agree with you, it's a bit uncomfortable, and in my eyes demeaning.

 

[Chinaski]

If my loved ones did this to my memory, l wouldn't like it either, but I'd like the people on this forum weaponising my passing to shit-talk them much, much less, l can assure you.

I don't care much for these people who want to close the site either, but imo much of this reaction is absolutely disrespectful to the former member of this forum who passed as much as it is to them. It's not becoming for a forum which regularly applauds itself for its supposed empathy and compassion to utilise this person's actual ctb as a means of attack on their parents, nor should we seek to ventriloquise those who have passed in the way it is regularly done on here.

I get that people are angry, but there's some scrutiny on this forum atm and it's also unwise to needlessly be dicks if we can avoid it tbqhwy.

 

[Gsvko]

Wow…
If your situation makes you think that your parents aren't at fault and that's how you cope then that's fine. Don't generalize and assume for everyone else. I don't care if it's "how they are". That doesn't excuse shit. Kids are allowed to feel hurt from their parents actions even if the parents themselves never had ill intentions. That's like saying me r*ping someone isn't bad because my intentions were good. None of that takes away from the fact that r*pe is wrong. Just like how a parents intention doesn't take away from the fact that their hurtful actions are wrong and harmful. Doesn't matter what background they came from or how they've been hurt. All I got from reading your opinion was you invalidating a lot of peoples feelings. Not everyone's life is the same as yours.

I said it's my opinion, my phase. And I believe that. Ofc you should be angry. Anyone has right to be anything they want. But we also don't know the parents of this particular person. Could you also be invalidating someone? Maybe the person who ctb wasn't blaming their parents at all. I would hate for the world to put all blame on my parents or any one person after I go. I wish I could go without hurting anyone actually.
It is my coping mechanism. I think world is a chaos and I'm capable of afflicting pain as well.

I am sorry if this is offensive, let me know. I'm open to change my opinion.

Edit: removed the r*ping comment because I figured it was irrelevant.

 

[SuicidallyCurious]

The YouTube website documents war crimes by US government with many of the perpetrators living freely in the US.

Where is PBS coverage on American war criminals who could be arrested and tried

 

[tieiwi]

I said it's my opinion, my phase. And I believe that. Ofc you should be angry. Anyone has right to be anything they want. But we also don't know the parents of this particular person. Could you also be invalidating someone? Maybe the person who ctb wasn't blaming their parents at all. I would hate for the world to put all blame on my parents or any one person after I go. I wish I could go without hurting anyone actually.
It is my coping mechanism. I think world is a chaos and I'm capable of afflicting pain as well.

I am sorry if this is offensive, let me know. I'm open to change my opinion.

Edit: removed the r*ping comment because I figured it was irrelevant.

Yea my original comment didn't specify that I was more so angry towards abusive parents who act all surprised when their kid ctbs. Just started ranting without thinking about how my post could come off to others who don't share my POV. Wasn't meant for any parents mentioned in the news video. I genuinely forgot that some people have kind parents who are just trying. After reading some replies to my comment I really was like "wait parents like that do exist". Kinda sad on my part. Your opinion is fine I was just worked up, sorry.

 

[Gsvko]

Yea my original comment didn't specify that I was more so angry towards abusive parents who act all surprised when their kid ctbs. Just started ranting without thinking about how my post could come off to others who don't share my POV. Wasn't meant for any parents mentioned in the news video. I genuinely forgot that some people have kind parents who are just trying. After reading some replies to my comment I really was like "wait parents like that do exist". Kinda sad on my part. Your opinion is fine I was just worked up, sorry.

Mine was sloppy too in hindsight

 

[Conker]

I saw someone share this Desmond Tutu quote the other day and I think it's really relevant to this subject.

Pointing fingers and directing the blame towards this site is easier than actually addressing the root causes and reasons why so many people make this choice.

Why do people all of a sudden care about suicidal people once they've actually died but won't listen to us while we're still alive?

View attachment 83315

This also has to do with why some choose to become a serial killer for personal gain.
Not everyone has been caught who went through the ropes.

I know groups of doctors in Texas who've been murdering people for profit and getting away with it lol.
If suicide were to ever get truly fixed, only then will you also see a significant drop in all organized crime.
Because it's all interconnected, and ultimately benevolence is a two-way street where everybody regardless of their social standing must be held accountable for maintaining.

Good and Evil can not co-exist together in harmony by their very definition.
Upon realizing this, you then see how within these Matrix timelines..
There can only be one mode of how it operates: Malevolence or Benevolence. There's never going to be any balancing act between the two.
At best, evil would be used as a stepping stone for reaching a higher womb where everybody has been freed from this fear-based false reality. Evil getting turned into just a distant memory of our blood-soaked primitive past.

How Malevolence Works - Illuminati Scarface

We have both a collective and personal shadow, which is the collective unconscious and the subconscious. The entirety of MK ULTRA, clandestine operations: unacknowledged special access programs, Illuminati in-fighting, ancestral trauma (epigenetics), Artificial Intelligence, false timelines work...

web.archive.org

 

[VoidDesirer22]

Whenever I hear parents talk about their kid committing suicide I'm always giving them the side eye. Youre telling me you couldn't see the signs? Someone driven to the point of killing themselves acts out in certain ways. They probably were the reason the kid committed suicide in the first place. Parents crying and grieving on camera could be emotionally or physically abusive behind closed doors.

Not at all true that someone driven to suicide "acts out" or that there were even "signs". A lot of us do not show any signs so that we can ctb without intervention.



Also my reply to that cringy video (she talks about there being hundreds of more deaths they didn't directly link):

"You bet there fucking have been. Fuck off and let us decide the outcome of our own lives. Key word is: OWN. We own our life and experience it everyday."

 

[tieiwi]

Not at all true that someone driven to suicide "acts out" or that there were even "signs". A lot of us do not show any signs so that we can ctb without intervention.



Also my reply to that cringy video (she talks about there being hundreds of more deaths they didn't directly link):

"You bet there fucking have been. Fuck off and let us decide the outcome of our own lives. Key word is: OWN. We own our life and experience it everyday."

Yea I realize now how close minded it is to think that. Not everyone is the same.

 

[little helpers]

People absolutely should be blamed for another person's suicide, when they are to blame, society itself is often to blame, and society is simply the conglomeration of individuals-many of which, more or less, DO actively contribute to the problems and status quo that kills other people and pushes them into the trenches.
Responsibility does lie somewhere, and contrary to popular belief, it's usually far less present in the person who is committing to the action of killing themselves.

Yea, whether there is truth to the sentiment or not, I still agree that it's probably not a good idea to add fuel to the fire by antagonizing these people in an uncivilized way.

^ THIS. well-said.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I think most of these parents are just grieving and trying to fill holes in their heart. It's not uncommon for people to throw themselves into activism after the death of a loved one. To them, this is a nobel fight. Taking down SS so one else has to go through what they're going through. I don't agree with them, of course, but I can kind of understand why they're doing this.

 

[Sslsh]

I find funny to see parents who probably killed their own sons/daughters by ruining their lives or were absent enough to be unable to save them looking for someone to blame. Do you really want to find someone to blame? I can help you! Just find yourself a mirror!

facts

 

[puppet_nihilist]

I genuinely hope SS stays safe... I really don't know why it's difficult for people to understand what this website is about.

I'd rather know how to die as painlessly as possible than go into the trouble of disfiguring myself or giving myself permanent damage. I also think a person has bodily autonomy and is free to do to their body whatever they want to do, if the truly own it, without external influence or encouragement on what they ought to do.

Id rather not give birth to people and then expect all of them to be satisfied with life equally, that is a personal judgement and we should all be free to evaluate our lives as we see fit and be responsible for the consequences. If you really don't care too much about the ethics of reproduction the least you could do is not make a fuss over suicide or voluntary euthanasia or being pro choice in general.

Yet here we are... News sources are cracking down on the website and they all want to shut it down. They want to shut the most pro choice and most free place that I could find on Earth down.

 

[Conker]

Evil the Entrapment of Separateness, and Good the Liberation into a Synchronistic Consciousness Awareness of it all

THE QUEST TO RE-ACHIEVE THE ONENESS OF MULTI-DIMENSIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS (Part 1)

THE “CHRIST” CONSCIOUSNESS AS HEART/MIND UNION FRACTAL TO THE AETHERIC CRYSTAL GRIDS Dodeca Within Dodeca Grid To Be A Dimensional Island, or To Be Multi-Dimensional For all those who…

deephighlands.wordpress.com

TRANSCENDING THIS 3D MATRIX -The Omega Point-

MATTER & PHYSICALITY ARE ALREADY CHANGING AS WE SPEAK Any Delusional Mindset is headed to Fragmentation & Dementia The vast majority of people on this planet still see the external bio-phys…

deephighlands.wordpress.com

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Wouldn't have to keep deriding and throwing mud at these people if they didn't keep doing it to us themselves. If my mom or dad (especially my dad) ever becomes one of these people you all have my full permission to shit talk them all you want and laugh at them for thinking I was ever brainwashed by one of the few places that made me feel like I was actually being heard instead of ignored or condescended towards. Don't go easy on them either, really let them know just how dumb they are for grieving my death.

 

[Chinaski]

Wouldn't have to keep deriding and throwing mud at these people if they didn't keep doing it to us themselves. If my mom or dad (especially my dad) ever becomes one of these people you all have my full permission to shit talk them all you want and laugh at them for thinking I was ever brainwashed by one of the few places that made me feel like I was actually being heard instead of ignored or condescended towards. Don't go easy on them either, really let them know just how dumb they are for grieving my death.

This is a weird take imo because this relies on three very odd positions.

1) that we should show no regard for the way grief is manifesting - people will, after all, grieve for us too, sometimes angrily. For a forum which is supposedly about empathy and compassion we could perhaps tone down the using of someone's death as a taunt, lest we be seen as a bunch of immature teenagers talking shit online.

2) It makes an assumption about the relationship between the departed and those grieving. If your parents are bastards that's fair enough, it's incorrect and inappropriate to assume the nature of these relationships are universal on here and it's disrespectful to the departed member to do that.

3) "hey if they didn't throw mud at us maybe we wouldn't x y z" is really immature shit, there's no justification for directly blaming a parent for the loss of their child in the way it's so regularly done on here. You can defend the right of this site to exist without being total cunts about it and giving them more mud to sling in the process.

 

[blueclover_.]

There's no justification for directly blaming a parent for the loss of their child in the way it's so regularly done on here. You can defend the right of this site to exist without being total cunts about it and giving them more mud to sling in the process.

There's no justification for directly blaming Sanctioned Suicide members for the loss of a VOLUNTARY member either. This website does NOT encourage suicide. Suicide is a personal choice and nobody here is responsible for anyone's death.

Oh, Chinaski. I know you're so clever. But we can't always be submissive to the news and the media. We've always been hiding—and i think now is the perfect time to rise our voices. Shout out to the world that we don't break any law because this site is perfectly legal, not just sit still and wait for those slick lawyers to twist everything and imprison SS founders. Sometimes it is better to Fight than Flight.

 

[Chinaski]

There's no justification for directly blaming Sanctioned Suicide members for the loss of a VOLUNTARY member either. This website does NOT encourage suicide. Suicide is a personal choice and nobody here is responsible for anyone's death.

Oh, Chinaski. I know you're so clever. But we can't always be submissive to the news and the media. We've always been hiding—and i think now is the perfect time to rise our voices. Shout to the world that we don't break any law because this site is perfectly legal, not just sit still and wait for those slick lawyers to twist everything and imprison SS founders. Sometimes it is better to Fight than Flight.

Fight what? Shout *what exactly* to the world? What do you genuinely propose the members of this forum do in terms of political activity and public relations? Because so far all l see are people saying HUR HUR I'M GOING TO TREAT THE SUICIDE OF AN INDIVIDUAL I NEVER KNEW WITH TOTAL FUCKING DISRESPECT to individual people, and I'd love to know how exactly that conduct benefits this website and reflects well on its supposed values.

 

[blueclover_.]

Fight what? Shout *what exactly* to the world? What do you genuinely propose the members of this forum do in terms of political activity and public relations? Because so far all l see are people saying HUR HUR I'M GOING TO TREAT THE SUICIDE OF AN INDIVIDUAL I NEVER KNEW WITH TOTAL FUCKING DISRESPECT to individual people, and I'd love to know how exactly that conduct benefits this website and reflects well on its supposed values.

Fight for the right of this forum to exist. At least to some extent. Just keep commenting and posting about how this website doesn't break any law, and if we get lucky, one of those lurkers might sympathize with us and that could help in the future in many ways.

What do you mean by people here treating the suicides of former members with disrespect? It is your own personal judgement that other members are being disrespectful, whilst i do not see any of that at all. I see a bunch of people defending our rights to die, no one even mentioned any of our deceased members.

Your idea of what comes off as 'disrespect' differs from most people here, just because some of us have a negative bias about parents, none of the members ever said anything specifically to the deceased person.

 

[TheBestUsernameEver]

I find funny to see parents who probably killed their own sons/daughters by ruining their lives or were absent enough to be unable to save them looking for someone to blame. Do you really want to find someone to blame? I can help you! Just find yourself a mirror!

The attitude oozing from this post is the precise reason why some people have an issue with this forum.

 

[blueclover_.]

The attitude oozing from this post is the precise reason why some people have an issue with this forum.

Which should not have been an issue. They were talking about specifically bad parents, why do you feel like the person was talking about your parents if they are good?

If i say people are evil, you know that i'm talking about specifically bad people, not every single human on earth. It's common sense, isn't it?

 

[little helpers]

The attitude oozing from this post is the precise reason why some people have an issue with this forum.

that's kind of victim-blaming everyone *here*, dude. like some "don't be the problem be the solution" shit… the attack started *before* anyone of us *reactively* started attacking them back (which definitely is *not* the right approach, this I agree). pointing fingers just don't work. towards ourselves too. hope you'll understand where I'm coming from.