Such clownery and a waste of police 'resources', they're too busy to stop school shootings but start breaking down doors when someone decides to leave this warped world after seeing the gun violence and what else...
Sorry, I was shaken up when I typed this and figured I should clarify. My parent on the lease was notified prior and gave them consent to do it. I don't want to accidentally misinform people I was just typing a quick gist after only sleeping one hour due to this ridiculous experience.
Sorry if I accidentally misled anyone or anything like that.
woah, two years later? Its so hard to wrap my head around why they would even entertain doing that. That's just bizarre.
AVeryLazySloth
The Laziest
- Mar 4, 2023
- 89
Glad I postponed buying SN, will definitely wait till this whole thing blows over.
I needed to hand mine over, I ordered from IC as a backup. I got my door kicked in and had make a statement.
This makes me so incredibly angry. The police has so much worse to worry about, literally. Children get abused every second, in every country on this fucked up planet, but no, those people rather investigate us.
I'm so sorry for everyone that got a visit from the police, or worse, the FBI. Life is already hard enough, and dying should'nt be harder than living People deserve to leave peacefully from this world, without any stress- and without the police doing a "wellness"-check on them.
I'm so sorry for everyone that got a visit from the police, or worse, the FBI. Life is already hard enough, and dying should'nt be harder than living People deserve to leave peacefully from this world, without any stress- and without the police doing a "wellness"-check on them.
Lullaby
🌙
- Mar 9, 2022
- 651
It's kinda crazy how they think this is helpful in anyway.
A couple of years ago, I was having a rough night and a few hours after talking to a friend, I had the cops knocking on my BEDROOM door at 2am. I have no idea how they even got into my apartment. They made me get dressed, get on a stretcher once outside, and I had to spend the night at hospital.
It's just embarrassing, intrusive and scary. We're not criminals.
A couple of years ago, I was having a rough night and a few hours after talking to a friend, I had the cops knocking on my BEDROOM door at 2am. I have no idea how they even got into my apartment. They made me get dressed, get on a stretcher once outside, and I had to spend the night at hospital.
It's just embarrassing, intrusive and scary. We're not criminals.
ChildrensITV
Arcanist
- Mar 14, 2023
- 455
Chances are, you won't be able to buy it anymore. Do you like brutal methods? Cuz that's all that will be left soon.
AVeryLazySloth
The Laziest
- Mar 4, 2023
- 89
Redomex still seems like a solid option for me, did it once and I would have succeeded if it weren't for the paramedics. Don't remember much from the overdose so that makes it seem kind of peaceful to me.
Rocket
Member
- Oct 12, 2022
- 60
Key is It's not an illegal substance. Meliæ made a good point, if approached why not just say doing better and I threw it away. What some have noted LE may threaten, if people say they're doing better (especially if it was a while ago), there isn't much more to say.
While providing a valuable service, KL was incredibly reckless. The articles note he was discussing the purpose of the product, answering emails with detailed information, and even invited someone in his car to talk about it. While it's a legal substance, confidentiality and discretion is vital. He put a lot of people at needless risk.
This is a "hot" period of time, no doubt a ton of citizens reading the melodramatic press are pressuring local officials who are in turn pressuring LE. But looking at the numbers, in another topic an article mentioned 10,300 opioid deaths in a short period of time. This product isn't doing anywhere near those numbers and resources go where the biggest demand is.
I think once the heat dies down, as always, supply will meet demand. The fact is it's a very, very common substance. The American Meat Institute (yes for real) has a PDF fact sheet at https://www.meatinstitute.org/index.php?ht=a/GetDocumentAction/i/44170.
And ultimate irony:
Having so many kind members post their experience with LE is a reason why this community is so important. People have time to prepare. There's a good reason the forum rules prohibit discussing sources (and being careful with interactions). Love and peace to everyone
While providing a valuable service, KL was incredibly reckless. The articles note he was discussing the purpose of the product, answering emails with detailed information, and even invited someone in his car to talk about it. While it's a legal substance, confidentiality and discretion is vital. He put a lot of people at needless risk.
This is a "hot" period of time, no doubt a ton of citizens reading the melodramatic press are pressuring local officials who are in turn pressuring LE. But looking at the numbers, in another topic an article mentioned 10,300 opioid deaths in a short period of time. This product isn't doing anywhere near those numbers and resources go where the biggest demand is.
I think once the heat dies down, as always, supply will meet demand. The fact is it's a very, very common substance. The American Meat Institute (yes for real) has a PDF fact sheet at https://www.meatinstitute.org/index.php?ht=a/GetDocumentAction/i/44170.
And ultimate irony:
Having so many kind members post their experience with LE is a reason why this community is so important. People have time to prepare. There's a good reason the forum rules prohibit discussing sources (and being careful with interactions). Love and peace to everyone
I'm in Canada (Quebec specifically) and was visited yesterday, and as far as I know they were just local cops. They weren't wearing anything to signal otherwise at least. They came in the evening but not unusually late, around 7pm or so. When they asked about the SN I told them I had no idea what they were talking about (they didn't say it by name, just referred to it as a salt-like substance that was sometimes used for cooking but also for ctb). I doubt they believed what I said, but when I insisted I didn't know what they were talking about they just wrote down some information from my ID and left.
They didn't really do any harm, except for the shock of having police show up at my door 6+ months after I ordered the SN.
DeadManLiving
Ticketholder
- Sep 9, 2022
- 284
Just don't open the door. Period.
That's it. Let them knock all day and all night long, but to them I am not home.
That's it. Let them knock all day and all night long, but to them I am not home.
Just reading this thread … so sorry this happened to you all! I've just ordered my own SN & it's on its way to me. My fear is that it will trigger some sort of welfare check (been there, done that, had two doors kicked in by police before) ….
If you had to hide your SN, where would you suggest? I'm thinking in plain sight … maybe buying a jar of bath salts & burying the little packet in the middle? Camouflaging it as chicken salt in a spice jar in the pantry?
If you had to hide your SN, where would you suggest? I'm thinking in plain sight … maybe buying a jar of bath salts & burying the little packet in the middle? Camouflaging it as chicken salt in a spice jar in the pantry?
Superdeterminist
Enlightened
- Apr 5, 2020
- 1,877
It depends on your house layout, everyone's is different. I would advise against putting it anywhere that someone else could consume it or discover it. If someone else inadvertently consumes it then they could be harmed or killed, and you could get in trouble for that of course.
Timothy7dff
Wizard
- Apr 10, 2024
- 661
This might be criminal action by the police and FBI. In America, we have 4th amendment protection from illegal search and seizure.
Purchasing SN is neither illegal or uncommon. I wonder if friends/relatives didn't rat people out.
Law enforcement should not have the power to act purely based on an SN purchase.
If law enforcement does something draconian like busting down your door, don't say ANYTHING. Ask to speak with a lawyer.
Purchasing SN is neither illegal or uncommon. I wonder if friends/relatives didn't rat people out.
Law enforcement should not have the power to act purely based on an SN purchase.
If law enforcement does something draconian like busting down your door, don't say ANYTHING. Ask to speak with a lawyer.
Superdeterminist
Enlightened
- Apr 5, 2020
- 1,877
It's because the vendor became exposed, then somehow they (Canadian police/Interpol) had the authority to sieze all the buyers' payment details from his device, which then enabled them to organise visits. Whole thing was retarded, yeah.
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Dot
Info abt typng styl on prfle.
- Sep 26, 2021
- 2,927
Yh sellr ws braggng tht thy wre sellng substnce fr suicde purposs s/ tht wld lkely hve givn probbl caus fr serch & welfre chck etc
Luckily I live by myself, in a town where I have no friends & rarely have visitors
Dark Window
Forest Wanderer
- Mar 12, 2024
- 548
Don't see why the FBI would prioritise tracking people down for buying a legal product, even if it was potentially for use for CTB they cannot necessarily prove that and even if they are, CTB via SN is not a criminal offence. Why would the FBI be concerned?
FBI are usually tracking down criminals. They are the highest level of law enforcement.
FBI are usually tracking down criminals. They are the highest level of law enforcement.
They were building a case on him. Collaborating with UK police
ms_beaverhousen
Kill the beat and the verses.
- Mar 14, 2024
- 1,242
or bombings... or crazed insurrectionists... who OPENLY post their intentions to harm and kill OTHERS...
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SenseOfLoss
life could have been so beautiful
- Feb 24, 2023
- 208
real human being
full of broken thoughts
- Jan 28, 2022
- 213
It's funny how the government spends all these resources on making sure people can't escape this hellish existence instead of spending those resources on improving it and getting people the real, tangible support they need to not feel that they need to CTB in the first place.
jbear824
F*ck humanity. Let's end this.
- Jul 4, 2023
- 409
In the US if this happens, we don't have to actually open the door unless they have a warrant, right? Like we can just ignore them?
I know I'm late to this conversation thread but I was wondering if you are comfortable sharing what country you are from? I live in the US and I'm terrified of this happening to me.
These welfare checks were in relation to SN purchased from IC because Kenneth Law (the guy that ran it) had been arrested in Canada and they obtained the details of his customers. People all over the world got checks. I got one in the UK.
I'm not sure it's 100% guaranteed that a person will get a check after purchasing it. I imagine it depends on whether they have been alerted to look for parcels in customs, whether they are watching particular companies or countries. Maybe how it's labelled. I imagine a more precise idea will be- when you know the source you want to purchase from- to see if others have had checks.
I wouldn't rule it out completely though. My check came months later. If they bust a company, I imagine they will try and find its customers.
Welfare checks also vary person to person. They were actually pretty reasonable with me and let me keep it. Might be more problematic if someone is already known to them for suicide attempts. Also, obviously it's got to be awful if someone is living with others.
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Gotcha, thanks. I'm not afraid of the welfare check itself - I'm just worried because I still live with my parents, and I really don't want to deal with all the drama it would cause if cops did show up. Let's just say it would be very bad for me. I'm tempted to just wait until I move out (should be in less than a year if all goes well), but I'm not sure if my source will still be running by then.
Plato'sCaveDweller
Sleep is good, death is better.
- Sep 2, 2024
- 513
did you order from IC? or elsewhere?
also, what did you tell the cops when they showed up? getting to keep your SN is pretty lucky. they must've been feeling pretty lenient that day, or you cooked up a great story.
Yes, IC. I was actually reasonably honest in a way. I told them it was for later life, in case I come down with some debilitating illness. Which is true- I would use it under those circumstances. They weren't happy- obviously. They did want to take it but overall, we were pretty polite with one another.
I think it was clear it wasn't for imminent use. I hopefully came across as reasonably lucid and reasonable. Plus, I agreed to be put in touch with a helpline which- ironically was the much more distressing experience out of the two! The police were actually really nice. I was polite to them though too. I don't think it's a good idea to put their backs up. Ultimately, they need to fill in their tick sheet and demonstrate that they haven't just left someone who is obviously just about to kill themselves.
To be fair though, there were points during it where I wished I'd lied. From the start though, I didn't want to. Suicide isn't illegal. I think we should have the right to choose. Plus, I don't or didn't think I was in some psychotic episode. I doubt I have much more than mild to moderate depression- if that. I kind of hedged my bets that there wasn't enough evidence to show I was at immediate risk to either section me or confiscate it. I wonder if they would now though. I think the law may have changed since then.
Plato'sCaveDweller
Sleep is good, death is better.
- Sep 2, 2024
- 513
Wow, that was incredibly brave of you. I'm not sure I'd be able to be so honest, considering just how much power the police have over you if you admit to such a thing. Though this has given me food for thought. In the rare event I happen to get one myself, I may just say the same.
Thank you for sharing. It's so fucking unfair that suicidal people can't be left the hell alone. These police agencies have the time to harass us, but not catch terrorists or mass shooters before they commit their heinous acts. The world truly is backwards.
