Vsed start in two days, sn hopefully on the way and last resort, hanging

[yellowjasmine88]

I am beginning vsed as an all-round back-ground method that while if I fail, I am waiting for sn by mail, and if both fail, my last resort will be hanging. If I in the meantime get fed up and decide to quicken things, and the sn still hasn't arrived, I might hang earlier, but for the primary situation as now, I've given myself 20 days to see it all to an end.

I really hope sn will arrive before that (I know life so if I might for any reason have to interrupt the fast, sn is my security/plan b), but in case it doesn't arrive I'll have to somehow try and stick to my dry-fast religiously anyway or in worst case, reach for a rope/belt. (-plan c) Basically I need to be out stone cold (dead..) by the 25. this month.

As I've thought about how I can hasten the dehydration process, I'll be taking diuretics two days before (tomorrow morning and late in the night), but then I'll do gentle exercise and walks after that for 1-7 days into it. Daily slow but long walks until i can't find the strength for it anymore.
I also might do some sleep fast/deprivation, but that's as a practice that has helped me before with some psychological issues. Thought about going to a sauna perhaps, (no swimming, the body can hydrate through skin, which also means minimum length showers!) but we'll see about that part.

I'll keep this post updated. Questions are welcome.
I wish everyone a safe journey coming times.

Jas

 

[Someone123]

Vsed is really not a realistic way to ctb, honestly, this has been discussed at length in many threads. Sn is pretty reliable if you follow stans guide as close as you can. Full suspension is reliable but partial is not, base on many posts.

 

[yellowjasmine88]

Vsed is really not a realistic way to ctb, honestly, this has been discussed at length in many threads. Sn is pretty reliable if you follow stans guide as close as you can. Full suspension is reliable but partial is not, base on many posts.

It's realistic enough, if you go through with it and have as strong a reason to abstain from food and drink as the desire for it. Then it's a choice. Many people have done it. It's the most natural way to me.

 

[Someone123]

It's realistic enough, if you go through with it and have as strong a reason to abstain from food and drink as the desire for it. Then it's a choice. Many people have done it. It's the most natural way to me.

I will just let you know a little of the info I know about this method. The worlod record for going without water and suriviving as 18 days- this happened to a prisoner in 1979 in AUstria- he was locked up and forgotten about. MOst people become extremeloy miserable after a couplpe of days without water. I saw a true life show from an e.r. when a young woman was trying to run a marathon without water and somewhere around 17 miles in she flipped out, she started attacking people and screaming and growling likle an animal- she ocmpletely flipped out because your brain starts malfunctioning when the water level gets too low. Luckily the e.r. doctor finally figured out what was going on and hydrated her. It is likely that your brain with malfunction very badly from the lack of water long before you would die from this, and you won't even remember you were trying to ctb by vsed. This is the main obstacle, the brain malfunctioning without water long before you would ctb. The other main obstacle is the very high pain level days before you would ctb. Some people may be able to get this method to work but they have to get very lucky because dehydration at extreme levels leads to halluciations and to a person going crazy long before they would ctb.

 

[yellowjasmine88]

I will just let you know a little of the info I know about this method. The worlod record for going without water and suriviving as 18 days- this happened to a prisoner in 1979 in AUstria- he was locked up and forgotten about. MOst people become extremeloy miserable after a couplpe of days without water. I saw a true life show from an e.r. when a young woman was trying to run a marathon without water and somewhere around 17 miles in she flipped out, she started attacking people and screaming and growling likle an animal- she ocmpletely flipped out because your brain starts malfunctioning when the water level gets too low. Luckily the e.r. doctor finally figured out what was going on and hydrated her. It is likely that your brain with malfunction very badly from the lack of water long before you would die from this, and you won't even remember you were trying to ctb by vsed. This is the main obstacle, the brain malfunctioning without water long before you would ctb. The other main obstacle is the very high pain level days before you would ctb. Some people may be able to get this method to work but they have to get very lucky because dehydration at extreme levels leads to halluciations and to a person going crazy long before they would ctb.

Thanks for your input, but I have done my research and decided for it. I appreciate your concern.

 

[Someone123]

Thanks for your input, but I have done my research and decided for it. I appreciate your concern.

Just wondering, how long do you think it will take? Will you be able to lay in bed for a week or more if this is needed? Just wondering. Thanks.

 

[yellowjasmine88]

Just wondering, how long do you think it will take? Will you be able to lay in bed for a week or more if this is needed? Just wondering. Thanks.

I think 15 days for me as with my frame and condition (no physical illness), but I set aside 20 days for it. Yes, in case I become extremely Ill, I can go and stay in bed for however long it lasts.

 

[Someone123]

I searched and found a quote on a website supporting this: "This option, sometimes known as VSED, can be chosen by a decisionally-capable adult who has the physical ability to eat and drink but consciously refuses foods and fluids in order to advance the time of their death. A determined and well-informed individual with significant caregiving and hospice support can successfully choose this end-of-life option."

I think that without the support of hospice care, especially painkillers, it would be very difficult to follow through on this method.

Another quote:
"In the first few days of the fast, some people may remain as active as before but many soon will become weak, fatigued and increasingly sleepy. Once they begin to feel light-headed and weak, movement requires assistance in order to prevent falls or accidents. Weakness or dizziness may occur suddenly, which is why 24-hour care is recommended once the fast begins. Mental alertness is replaced by longer and longer periods of sleeping. In many cases individuals eventually cannot be roused and remain in an unconscious or coma state. Some individuals have periods of alertness throughout the process up until death. The dehydration from VSED affects the kidneys and the heart, and the other organ systems in the body begin to shut down.

"Since VSED is a natural process of dying, individuals can have a range of symptoms and experiences. Some people express a sense of peace that they can "stop fighting" and describe feeling euphoria or pleasant light-headedness. Researchers believe there is an analgesic effect caused by dehydration that may explain this response. Other people may experience increased confusion, delirium or agitation during the process as the organs shut down and the chemicals in the body change. Unwanted symptoms can typically be managed with medications from the doctor or hospice."

I do think that doing this on your own, without hospice care, would be almost5 i9mjpossible to do- you can go into coma and someone can find you and rescue you.

 

[yellowjasmine88]

I searched and found a quote on a website supporting this: "This option, sometimes known as VSED, can be chosen by a decisionally-capable adult who has the physical ability to eat and drink but consciously refuses foods and fluids in order to advance the time of their death. A determined and well-informed individual with significant caregiving and hospice support can successfully choose this end-of-life option."

I think that without the support of hospice care, especially painkillers, it would be very difficult to follow through on this method.

Another quote:
"In the first few days of the fast, some people may remain as active as before but many soon will become weak, fatigued and increasingly sleepy. Once they begin to feel light-headed and weak, movement requires assistance in order to prevent falls or accidents. Weakness or dizziness may occur suddenly, which is why 24-hour care is recommended once the fast begins. Mental alertness is replaced by longer and longer periods of sleeping. In many cases individuals eventually cannot be roused and remain in an unconscious or coma state. Some individuals have periods of alertness throughout the process up until death. The dehydration from VSED affects the kidneys and the heart, and the other organ systems in the body begin to shut down.

"Since VSED is a natural process of dying, individuals can have a range of symptoms and experiences. Some people express a sense of peace that they can "stop fighting" and describe feeling euphoria or pleasant light-headedness. Researchers believe there is an analgesic effect caused by dehydration that may explain this response. Other people may experience increased confusion, delirium or agitation during the process as the organs shut down and the chemicals in the body change. Unwanted symptoms can typically be managed with medications from the doctor or hospice."

I do think that doing this on your own, without hospice care, would be almost5 i9mjpossible to do- you can go into coma and someone can find you and rescue you.

I know of all those things mentioned here and I am still certain I will be doing it. People are different. I don't think I'll be neither delirious nor comatose but at the very end of it if at all. Fun fact. In the ppeh they have this long list of methods ranging from medium to very complex and complicated, but as if the writer not even realising, they mention someone who in the whim of things by the refusal of euthanasia help just decides to stop eating and drinking and then dying - as a side-note! I really think the most natural thing is if one truly doesn't want anymore to do with living, it is to abstain from what supports it simply - it's the act of no action in a sense. I'm not killing myself, I'm just no longer supporting life. I refrain from the most basic life sustaining activities that are taking in food and drink. No more for me, thanks. Enough on my plate. I want nothing more. Literally.

Edit: grammar

 

[Someone123]

I know of all those things mentioned here and I am still certain I will be doing it. People are different. I don't think I'll be neither delirious nor comatose but at the very end of it if at all. Fun fact. In the ppeh they have this long list of methods ranging from medium to very complex and complicated, but as if the writer not even realising, they mention someone who in the whim of things by the refusal of euthanasia help just decides to stop eating and drinking and then dying - as a side-note! I really think the most natural thing is if one truly doesn't want anymore to do with living, it is to abstain from what supports it simply - it's the act of no action in a sense. I'm not killing myself, I'm just no longer supporting life. I refrain from the most basic life sustaining activities that are taking in food and drink. No more for me, thanks. Enough on my plate. I want nothing more. Literally.

Edit: grammar

Ok, if you feel comfortable with the method then you it's obviously your choice. Most people coudln't lie in bed for so many days without someone checking on them and calling for an ambulance, but if you are old and sick or possibly just sick maybe you have people in your life who will let you do what you want. It seems hard to do this method without some support from others. Are you planning on doing this on your own without others being aware of it? Is there really someplace you can go with no one checking on you for three weeks? I definitely respect your right to choose this, but it seems hard to get this method to work without some help from others.

 

[yellowjasmine88]

Ok, if you feel comfortable with the method then you it's obviously your choice. Most people coudln't lie in bed for so many days without someone checking on them and calling for an ambulance, but if you are old and sick or possibly just sick maybe you have people in your life who will let you do what you want. It seems hard to do this method without some support from others. Are you planning on doing this on your own without others being aware of it? Is there really someplace you can go with no one checking on you for three weeks? I definitely respect your right to choose this, but it seems hard to get this method to work without some help from others.

Yes, at home, no one is checking on me. Neither parents nor tennant. I'm doing it on my own with no help but what I get here. Since several years I have no real life friends to have to explain anything to, and if someone knocks my door, I'll just say I'm sick with a proper flu and fever. I'm neither old nor physically sick. I'm doing this because I'm suffering psychologically and spiritually waaayyy beyond my coping capacity. There is no real other relief for me, and to me this is kindness. I felt love (for the first time in years. Years!) once I realised and made this decision. Also a sense of safety. I feel safe. Going to the right place now.

I'll just drift off the last days and hope the people that find me read the note I'll leave outside my room (a warning that I'm no longer alive), so no one will be surprised.
And yes, to answer your question, I'll be doing it alone without anyone being aware of it.

 

[Someone123]

Yes, at home, no one is checking on me. Neither parents nor tennant. I'm doing it on my own with no help but what I get here. Since several years I have no real life friends to have to explain anything to, and if someone knocks my door, I'll just say I'm sick with a proper flu and fever. I'm neither old nor physically sick. I'm doing this because I'm suffering psychologically and spiritually waaayyy beyond my coping capacity. There is no real other relief for me, and to me this is kindness. I felt love (for the first time in years. Years!) once I realised and made this decision. Also a sense of safety. I feel safe. Going to the right place now.

I'll just drift off the last days and hope the people that find me read the note I'll leave outside my room (a warning that I'm no longer alive), so no one will be surprised.
And yes, to answer your question, alone without anyone being aware of it.

I respect your right to choose, I'm very likely making the same choice. my suffering is similar though I have other things going on. I just know for me when I do get to the point of attempting I want it t work, for most people a failed attempt will make their life worse.

How long without seeing you do you think it will take for someone to check on you?

 

[yellowjasmine88]

I'm like most people too! Failing this will mean hell to me. Awful awful consequences.

I don't know actually. No one has checked on me for years..?

 

[Someone123]

I'm like most people too! Failing this will mean hell to me. Awful awful consequences.

I don't know actually. No one has checked on me for years..?

Methods I am considering for myself are sn and full suspension, but each person has their own reasons for their own methods.

I assume you must go out for groceries, etc., and neighbors must see this. Maybe after a while of not seeing you at all they would call the police to check on you?

 

[yellowjasmine88]

Methods I am considering for myself are sn and full suspension, but each person has their own reasons for their own methods.

I assume you must go out for groceries, etc., and neighbors must see this. Maybe after a while of not seeing you at all they would call the police to check on you?

I can relate to those, sn and hanging are my two back-ups.

I don't think anyone would notice a thing. Never heard of strangers calling police for someone not shopping at the same store...

 

[Someone123]

I can relate to those, sn and hanging are my two back-ups.

I don't think anyone would notice a thing. Never heard of strangers calling police for someone not shopping at the same store...

No, just maybe neighbors in the neighborhood- if they see you going out of your house a few times a week and then it stops they may eventually call the police for a welfare check.

 

[yellowjasmine88]

No, just maybe neighbors in the neighborhood- if they see you going out of your house a few times a week and then it stops they may eventually call the police for a welfare check.

Nope. Is it the reserved mentality of Scandinavia? I don't know, but I doubt it strongly. Also I just moved to a new place, I'm quite sure the old neighbours won't even give it a second thought.

 

[Crazy4u]

what a sad reality we live in. Neighbours don't know anything about each other.

Yellow, I don't know what to say but we are here for you

 

[Someone123]

Nope. Is it the reserved mentality of Scandinavia? I don't know, but I doubt it strongly. Also I just moved to a new place, I'm quite sure the old neighbours won't even give it a second thought.

That may be how things are there. I think in most places in the u.s. people who are used to seei9ng neighbors out a few times a week would call within a week or so, two0 weeks at the most, before calling the police for w welfare check.

 

[yellowjasmine88]

what a sad reality we live in. Neighbours don't know anything about each other.

Yellow, I don't know what to say but we are here for you

Yea I agree..
Thank you <3

That may be how things are there. I think in most places in the u.s. people who are used to seei9ng neighbors out a few times a week would call within a week or so, two0 weeks at the most, before calling the police for w welfare check.

Ah that sounds unbelievably nice. Nah. Most places here people tend to keep very respectful but distant communication with their neighbours going if they have to say hello. And then that's it. People don't talk to strangers as much either. I come from a different country further south east, so I know it can be different, but I've been here so long I'm not sure anymore if it's the place or the times we live in. I take it that you say it's different in U.S. now too though, so I guess it's the place.. ugh. I miss warmer climate. And warmer social norms. Ugh. UGH.

 

[Someone123]

Yea I agree..
Thank you <3

Ah that sounds unbelievably nice. Nah. Most places here people tend to keep very respectful but distant communication with their neighbours going if they have to say hello. And then that's it. People don't talk to strangers as much either. I come from a different country further south east, so I know it can be different, but I've been here so long I'm not sure anymore if it's the place or the times we live in. I take it that you say it's different in us now too though, so I guess it's the place.. ugh. I miss warmer climate. And warmer social norms. Ugh. UGH.

That's not to say that all your neighbors are nice in the u.s., not at all, but enough are that someone would probably call.

 

[yellowjasmine88]

Aaargh this is also part of the reason I'm so upset, I feel SO isolated and alone in this country you wouldn't believe. I'm sorry I moved here as a kid. Very very sorry.

 

[NearlyIrrelevantCake]

Vsed is really not a realistic way to ctb, honestly, this has been discussed at length in many threads. Sn is pretty reliable if you follow stans guide as close as you can. Full suspension is reliable but partial is not, base on many posts.

My mother caught the bus with VSED. She was ill and frail so it only took a few days.

 

[Someone123]

My mother caught the bus with VSED. She was ill and frail so it only took a few days.

That is a different situation compared to someone who is younger and relatigvely healthy. Still most older people who may do this are in hospice care where they are able to receive powerful pain medication, which makes a big difference.

 

[yellowjasmine88]

I recieved the sn so that's what I'll be going with. Before the 27th

 

[Someone123]

I recieved the sn so that's what I'll be going with. Before the 27th

That is my first choice method too. It seems like the method is more reliable the closer you go to Stans plan, with the other meds. Most people don't get all the meds, but the more you get the better, especially an antiemitic. Have you read Stan's Guide?

 

[Zeus35]

Vsed is really not a realistic way to ctb, honestly, this has been discussed at length in many threads. Sn is pretty reliable if you follow stans guide as close as you can. Full suspension is reliable but partial is not, base on many posts.

Getting SN is hard though